On 12/11/2021 14:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into >> the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to >> navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain >> rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that >> should be charged for the full cost of their rescue. >> >> I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to >> wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their >> windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled >> survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance. > > Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER would have > an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected > and die.Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt. Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions.>> US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill >> smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use >> a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg. >> >> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834 >> >> Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate >> as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver. > > Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a > per-country basis?Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/ Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag policy here snappily titled "Survey of Driver Seating Positions in Relation to the Steering Wheel". Being too close to it when it goes off is a very bad thing: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050 Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5'5". The same issue doesn't arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are mandatory there (and enforced). -- Regards, Martin Brown
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fredag den 12. november 2021 kl. 16.36.37 UTC+1 skrev Martin Brown:> On 12/11/2021 14:33, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown > > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> > >> I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into > >> the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to > >> navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain > >> rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that > >> should be charged for the full cost of their rescue. > >> > >> I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to > >> wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their > >> windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled > >> survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance. > > > > Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER would have > > an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected > > and die. > Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy > to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to > reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt. > > Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions. > >> US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill > >> smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use > >> a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg. > >> > >> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834 > >> > >> Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate > >> as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver. > > > > Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a > > per-country basis? > Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities > particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering > wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them. > > https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/ > > Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag > policy here snappily titled "Survey of Driver Seating Positions in > Relation to the Steering Wheel". Being too close to it when it goes off > is a very bad thing: > > https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050 > > Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5'5". > > The same issue doesn't arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are > mandatory there (and enforced).afaiu most modern airbags have dual charges and fires one or both depending on the size of the impact, weight of the driver, and if the seatbelt is on
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:36:26 +0000, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:>On 12/11/2021 14:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown >> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> >>> I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into >>> the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to >>> navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain >>> rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that >>> should be charged for the full cost of their rescue. >>> >>> I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to >>> wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their >>> windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled >>> survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance. >> >> Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER would have >> an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected >> and die. > >Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy >to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to >reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt. > >Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions. > >>> US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill >>> smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use >>> a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg. >>> >>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834 >>> >>> Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate >>> as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver. >> >> Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a >> per-country basis? > >Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities >particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering >wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them. > >https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/ > >Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag >policy here snappily titled "Survey of Driver Seating Positions in >Relation to the Steering Wheel". Being too close to it when it goes off >is a very bad thing: > >https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050 > >Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5'5". > >The same issue doesn't arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are >mandatory there (and enforced).Seat belt use is mandatory and enforced in California. Europeans have the strangest cartoon opinions about non-europeans. -- Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was always most valuable when he had lost it.
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On 12/11/2021 09:38, Tom Gardner wrote:> Masks are a bloody nuisance for me: my glasses mist up and > I'm a lipreader. > > I still wear them and avoid shops where too many people > aren't wearing them.If you haven't already tried them, I recommend trying some better-sealing masks, e.g. 3M 8210 or Korean KF94 masks if you can find one with a really stiff nose wire ("Evergreen cleantop" are good) (or put a bit of surgical tape along the top of any crap mask if you don't care about filtration). I find ones that seal well to my nose don't fog my glasses much at all. This youtube channel is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/user/coll0412/videos
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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:36:26 +0000, Martin Brown > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 12/11/2021 14:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown >>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into >>>> the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to >>>> navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain >>>> rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that >>>> should be charged for the full cost of their rescue. >>>> >>>> I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to >>>> wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their >>>> windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled >>>> survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance. >>> >>> Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER would have >>> an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected >>> and die. >> >> Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy >> to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to >> reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt. >> >> Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions. >> >>>> US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill >>>> smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use >>>> a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg. >>>> >>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834 >>>> >>>> Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate >>>> as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver. >>> >>> Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a >>> per-country basis? >> >> Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities >> particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering >> wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them. >> >> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/ >> >> Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag >> policy here snappily titled "Survey of Driver Seating Positions in >> Relation to the Steering Wheel". Being too close to it when it goes off >> is a very bad thing: >> >> https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050 >> >> Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5'5". >> >> The same issue doesn't arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are >> mandatory there (and enforced). > > Seat belt use is mandatory and enforced in California.And New York, and Connecticut, and New Jersey, and Massachusetts, and... <https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/SeatBeltLaws_Aug20.pdf>. 49 states, 4 terriories, plus DC. (Exercise for the reader: find the missing state. Hint: it's not Texas, or Florida, or Alabama, or Oklahoma, or Mississippi, or Arizona, or Nevada, or New Mexico, or Virgina, or Montana, or Wyoming, or Alaska. Folks from the Northeastern US will guess immediately.)> Europeans have the strangest cartoon opinions about non-europeans.No kidding. It's not like better info is hard to find--that reference came up second on DDG, and was the first one I looked at. They could even ask folks that live here, perish the thought. Seems like there's something psychological going on there. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 13:36:26 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:36:26 +0000, Martin Brown >> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 12/11/2021 14:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown >>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into >>>>> the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to >>>>> navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain >>>>> rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that >>>>> should be charged for the full cost of their rescue. >>>>> >>>>> I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to >>>>> wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their >>>>> windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled >>>>> survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance. >>>> >>>> Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER would have >>>> an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected >>>> and die. >>> >>> Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy >>> to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to >>> reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt. >>> >>> Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions. >>> >>>>> US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill >>>>> smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use >>>>> a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg. >>>>> >>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834 >>>>> >>>>> Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate >>>>> as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver. >>>> >>>> Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a >>>> per-country basis? >>> >>> Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities >>> particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering >>> wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them. >>> >>> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/ >>> >>> Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag >>> policy here snappily titled "Survey of Driver Seating Positions in >>> Relation to the Steering Wheel". Being too close to it when it goes off >>> is a very bad thing: >>> >>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050 >>> >>> Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5'5". >>> >>> The same issue doesn't arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are >>> mandatory there (and enforced). >> >> Seat belt use is mandatory and enforced in California. > >And New York, and Connecticut, and New Jersey, and Massachusetts, and... > ><https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/SeatBeltLaws_Aug20.pdf>. > >49 states, 4 terriories, plus DC. (Exercise for the reader: find the >missing state. Hint: it's not Texas, or Florida, or Alabama, or >Oklahoma, or Mississippi, or Arizona, or Nevada, or New Mexico, or >Virgina, or Montana, or Wyoming, or Alaska. Folks from the Northeastern >US will guess immediately.) > >> Europeans have the strangest cartoon opinions about non-europeans. > >No kidding. It's not like better info is hard to find--that reference >came up second on DDG, and was the first one I looked at. > >They could even ask folks that live here, perish the thought. Seems >like there's something psychological going on there. > >Cheers > >Phil HobbsUSians go to europe a lot and seem to like the place. I wonder how many europeans visit the US, and especially how many get away from the usual tourist traps. We do have a lot of tiny, often Asian immigrant, women here. And a few huge guys. Must be tough to design seats and seat belts and air bags. -- Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was always most valuable when he had lost it.
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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 13:36:26 -0500, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:36:26 +0000, Martin Brown >>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/11/2021 14:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown >>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who >>>>>> wonder up into the mountain in flipflops using Google maps >>>>>> on their mobile phone to navigate and then get lost when >>>>>> the battery runs out. The mountain rescue teams are rather >>>>>> more forgiving but I think idiots who do that should be >>>>>> charged for the full cost of their rescue. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who >>>>>> refuse to wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of >>>>>> going through their windscreen. That is another idiotic >>>>>> decision some make. A few mangled survivors wondering >>>>>> around would do wonders for seat belt compliance. >>>>> >>>>> Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER >>>>> would have an intake moralist on staff who would decide who >>>>> should be rejected and die. >>>> >>>> Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am >>>> quite happy to keep them alive but they can pay for their own >>>> plastic surgery to reassemble their face if they have failed >>>> to wear a seat belt. >>>> >>>> Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for >>>> your actions. >>>> >>>>>> US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives >>>>>> are set to kill smaller women drivers just to save the big >>>>>> fat lard arse who CBA to use a seat belt. I don't think >>>>>> that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate>>>>>> as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed >>>>>> the driver. >>>>> >>>>> Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount >>>>> loaded on a per-country basis? >>>> >>>> Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more >>>> fatalities particularly of smaller women who have to sit >>>> closer to the steering wheel. It is almost invariably that >>>> airbag that kills (or injures) them. >>>> >>>> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag>>>> policy here snappily titled "Survey of Driver Seating >>>> Positions in Relation to the Steering Wheel". Being too close >>>> to it when it goes off is a very bad thing: >>>> >>>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050 >>>> >>>> Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver >>>> under 5'5". >>>> >>>> The same issue doesn't arise in Europe or Japan because seat >>>> belts are mandatory there (and enforced). >>> >>> Seat belt use is mandatory and enforced in California. >> >> And New York, and Connecticut, and New Jersey, and Massachusetts, >> and... >> >> <https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/SeatBeltLaws_Aug20.pdf>. >> >> >> >>49 states, 4 terriories, plus DC. (Exercise for the reader: find the>> missing state. Hint: it's not Texas, or Florida, or Alabama, or >> Oklahoma, or Mississippi, or Arizona, or Nevada, or New Mexico, or >> Virgina, or Montana, or Wyoming, or Alaska. Folks from the >> Northeastern US will guess immediately.) >> >>> Europeans have the strangest cartoon opinions about >>> non-europeans. >> >> No kidding. It's not like better info is hard to find--that >> reference came up second on DDG, and was the first one I looked >> at. >> >> They could even ask folks that live here, perish the thought. Seems >> like there's something psychological going on there.> USians go to europe a lot and seem to like the place.Funny you should mention that. I'm currently ensconced in an AirBnB in the Marais district of Paris with Mo and our beloved elder daughter. We spent the day walking around all over the place. We all love France-- #1 daughter comes a few times a year, and this is probably Mo's and my tenth time. We'll be here all week. ;) Hopefully the illegal nightclub across the street keeps the windows closed tonight--it was pretty loud last night.> I wonder how many europeans visit the US, and especially how many get > away from the usual tourist traps.Well, there's a lot more of the United States than there is Western Europe, after all. (Not even counting Canada, my old stomping ground.) Plus all the media crap that we--most unfortunately--lob at them must be very confusing. Not even counting the CCP propaganda machine and its fellow travellers.> We do have a lot of tiny, often Asian immigrant, women here. And a > few huge guys. Must be tough to design seats and seat belts and air > bags.Putting weight sensors in the seats is good. I'm egalitarian enough to think that bubbas, tiny women, and small children (including unborn ones) are all valuable. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
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lørdag den 13. november 2021 kl. 19.37.32 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs:> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:36:26 +0000, Martin Brown > > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> On 12/11/2021 14:33, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > >>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown > >>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into > >>>> the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to > >>>> navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain > >>>> rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that > >>>> should be charged for the full cost of their rescue. > >>>> > >>>> I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to > >>>> wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their > >>>> windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled > >>>> survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance. > >>> > >>> Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER would have > >>> an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected > >>> and die. > >> > >> Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy > >> to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to > >> reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt. > >> > >> Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions. > >> > >>>> US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill > >>>> smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use > >>>> a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg. > >>>> > >>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834 > >>>> > >>>> Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate > >>>> as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver. > >>> > >>> Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a > >>> per-country basis? > >> > >> Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities > >> particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering > >> wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them. > >> > >> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/ > >> > >> Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag > >> policy here snappily titled "Survey of Driver Seating Positions in > >> Relation to the Steering Wheel". Being too close to it when it goes off > >> is a very bad thing: > >> > >> https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050 > >> > >> Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5'5". > >> > >> The same issue doesn't arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are > >> mandatory there (and enforced). > > > > Seat belt use is mandatory and enforced in California. > And New York, and Connecticut, and New Jersey, and Massachusetts, and... > > <https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/SeatBeltLaws_Aug20.pdf>. > > 49 states, 4 terriories, plus DC. (Exercise for the reader: find the > missing state. Hint: it's not Texas, or Florida, or Alabama, or > Oklahoma, or Mississippi, or Arizona, or Nevada, or New Mexico, or > Virgina, or Montana, or Wyoming, or Alaska. Folks from the Northeastern > US will guess immediately.)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_laws_in_the_United_States#Laws_by_state_and_territory are the size of the fines real? most seem very low, here not wearing a seatbelt is minimum ~$230 someone under 15 without a seatbelt is ~$300 plus a point on the license for the driver> > Europeans have the strangest cartoon opinions about non-europeans.and vice versa ;)
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On 11/12/2021 19:22, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> .... > Europeans have the strangest cartoon opinions about non-europeans. >Are you saying you are not all chewing gum while wearing cowboy hats and riding mustangs? Come on, who's going believe you.
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Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:> lørdag den 13. november 2021 kl. 19.37.32 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs: >> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:36:26 +0000, Martin Brown >>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/11/2021 14:33, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown >>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into >>>>>> the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to >>>>>> navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain >>>>>> rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that >>>>>> should be charged for the full cost of their rescue. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to >>>>>> wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their >>>>>> windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled >>>>>> survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance. >>>>> >>>>> Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER would have >>>>> an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected >>>>> and die. >>>> >>>> Darwinism in action would be the hardest possible line. I am quite happy >>>> to keep them alive but they can pay for their own plastic surgery to >>>> reassemble their face if they have failed to wear a seat belt. >>>> >>>> Do something stupid and you have to take responsibility for your actions. >>>> >>>>>> US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill >>>>>> smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use >>>>>> a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834 >>>>>> >>>>>> Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate >>>>>> as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver. >>>>> >>>>> Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a >>>>> per-country basis? >>>> >>>> Yes. US has a dodgy airbag policy resulting in a lot more fatalities >>>> particularly of smaller women who have to sit closer to the steering >>>> wheel. It is almost invariably that airbag that kills (or injures) them. >>>> >>>> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/crash-test-bias-how-male-focused-testing-puts-female-drivers-at-risk/ >>>> >>>> Somewhat more detailed analysis of the US kill smaller females airbag >>>> policy here snappily titled "Survey of Driver Seating Positions in >>>> Relation to the Steering Wheel". Being too close to it when it goes off >>>> is a very bad thing: >>>> >>>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/44741050 >>>> >>>> Short form version it is a bad idea to be a female driver under 5'5". >>>> >>>> The same issue doesn't arise in Europe or Japan because seat belts are >>>> mandatory there (and enforced). >>> >>> Seat belt use is mandatory and enforced in California. >> And New York, and Connecticut, and New Jersey, and Massachusetts, and... >> >> <https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/SeatBeltLaws_Aug20.pdf>. >> >> 49 states, 4 terriories, plus DC. (Exercise for the reader: find the >> missing state. Hint: it's not Texas, or Florida, or Alabama, or >> Oklahoma, or Mississippi, or Arizona, or Nevada, or New Mexico, or >> Virgina, or Montana, or Wyoming, or Alaska. Folks from the Northeastern >> US will guess immediately.) > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_laws_in_the_United_States#Laws_by_state_and_territory > > are the size of the fines real? most seem very low, here not wearing a seatbelt is minimum ~$230 > someone under 15 without a seatbelt is ~$300 plus a point on the license for the driverWhat's that got to do with it? I don't remember the last time I saw somebody driving with no seatbelt. MB seems to think that it's all unbelted bubbas over here. That's strange--he seems pretty sane otherwise. C'mon over here, Martin--We'll show you a good time and get some good old Western Hemisphere air into you, lad. ;)>>> Europeans have the strangest cartoon opinions about non-europeans. > > and vice versa ;)Do tell. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
