On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 16:19:34 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:>Flyguy wrote: >> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:45:59 AM UTC-8, >> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> What do you think this is? [1] >>> >>> mech_eng_jw.pdf >>> >>> Or maybe >>> >>> datasheet.pdf ? >>> >>> And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between >>> pages? You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. >>> >>> And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, >>> make you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to >>> see what they have? >>> >>> And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire >>> product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not >>> available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. >>> >>> >>> >>> [1] it's a data sheet for a relay >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; but in that >>> instant he had lost his head. His head was always most valuable >>> when he had lost it. >> >> You are obviously too young to remember the good old days when we had >> to have datasheets and databooks mailed to us. And, then, you had to >> have a room full of bookshelves to hold them all. > >I remember those days very fondly. When I was a young teenager, I had a >subscription to Motorola Update. It didn't cost a lot, and every quarter >I got a good-sized box (about 1.5 cubic feet IIRC) jammed full of >Motorola's latest databooks. The transistor and linear books were >familiar, but there were also (to me) exotic things such as TTL register >files, bit-slice processors, MECL III logic, MOS memory, MNOS >nonvolatile storage, all sorts of stuff. > >Made me feel like I could become a real designer, though I knew I >wasn't, yet. > >I still have probably 30 selected databooks on my shelves. > >Cheers > >Phil HobbsAt one point I threw out a dumpster load of data books, but I still have a couple of shelves of the classics. My old flea market TI Semiconductor manual is a gem. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3eedxlb60vgxw0g/TI_catalog.JPG?raw=1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/plo7upq05eqr5tu/TI_new_TO3.jpg?raw=1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/gr27uzjjakzf2on/TI_prices.JPG?raw=1 -- Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was always most valuable when he had lost it.
rant: filenames
Started by ●November 8, 2021
Reply by ●November 13, 20212021-11-13
Reply by ●November 13, 20212021-11-13
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 11:45:59 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> What do you think this is? [1] > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > Or maybe > > datasheet.pdf ? > > And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? > You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. > > And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make > you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what > they have? > > And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire > product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not > available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. > > > > [1] it's a data sheet for a relay > > > -- > > Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; > but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was > always most valuable when he had lost it.with all due respect....fix the name as best suits you own individual filing system and move on. Get a copy of Adobe PDF and chop it up as you see fit. If you are really clever, create your own data base that best suits your needs. I am thankful that these things are online and can be downloaded in a few tenths of a second as opposed to snail mail or relying on distributors to drop off a load of data books.... J
Reply by ●November 13, 20212021-11-13
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 14:50:04 -0800 (PST), Three Jeeps <jjhudak4@gmail.com> wrote:>On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 11:45:59 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> What do you think this is? [1] >> >> mech_eng_jw.pdf >> >> Or maybe >> >> datasheet.pdf ? >> >> And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? >> You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. >> >> And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make >> you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what >> they have? >> >> And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire >> product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not >> available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. >> >> >> >> [1] it's a data sheet for a relay >> >> >> -- >> >> Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; >> but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was >> always most valuable when he had lost it. > >with all due respect....fix the name as best suits you own individual filing system and move on.OK, assume I rename it and save it. Some time later, I download the same data sheet and since the name is goofy, rename that one and save it too. Sensibly, to a different name. Versions get more interesting. With luck, you can open a PDF data sheet and see what version/date it is. Not always. -- Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was always most valuable when he had lost it.
Reply by ●November 13, 20212021-11-13
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> At one point I threw out a dumpster load of data books, but I still > have a couple of shelves of the classics. > > My old flea market TI Semiconductor manual is a gem.Yeah, that big red binder: it's the perfect custom icon for a folder full of semiconductor datasheets. And a mustard-yellow book for logic jellybeans... Hey, not everyone is looking at a list of names when they search for a file or folder... pix are the wave of the post-literate future!
Reply by ●November 14, 20212021-11-14
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:57:22 AM UTC+11, Martin Brown wrote:> On 11/11/2021 14:18, Jan Panteltje wrote:=20 > > On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:09:34 +0000) it happened Martin Bro=wn=20> > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <smj15v$17et$1...@gioia.aioe.org>:==20 <snip>> The main effect of the vaccination is to prevent serious illness in=20 > those who have been vaccinated.That's from the point of view of the person vaccinated. Vaccination also makes you less likely to get infected, and you seem to sta= y infectious for a much shorter period. When you are infected you seem to b= e pretty much as infectious as the unvaccinated, but you aren't infectious = for nearly as long (on average).> If you choose to refuse that protection then that is your problem. Vacci=nation does little to prevent transmission so the compulsory vaccination t= hing is a red herring. It doesn't prevent transmission, but it makes it a whole lot less likely. T= he combination of making you less likely to get infected in the first place= , and not being infected for as long if you do get infected helps the R-num= bers no end. It certainly seems to have helped a lot in New South Wales. We= are still at close to 200 new infections per day - down from a thousand od= d per day a month or so ago, despite have relaxed most of the lock down pre= cautions. The adult vaccination rate is now about 90%, and the 12 to 18 yea= r-olds are catching up rapidly. We do seem to be on the verge of vaccinatin= g 7 to 11 year-olds - the approval has worked most of it way through the sy= stem.> You are already much more likely to catch Covid from someone who is=20 > double vaccinated than from the remaining 15% of refuseniks. FWIW my=20 > local areas has now reached theoretical 85% (ANU) herd immunity levels=20 > of double vaccination and a further 5% young people single dosed. It=20 > hasn't made one jot of difference to Covid levels. This week was the=20 > first time we were pinged. 2% of the UK population has Covid right now!The twelves to eighteen year-olds can be very sociable.> > Having no access to food and other essential things is fascism and a de=ath sentence to many!> > Don't you have internet shopping in Holland then?=20Jan doesn't live in Holland, but further east close to the German border - = probably in Twente.> It is all the rage over here. Some of my neighbours haven't been out=20 > shopping at all since lockdown began!> > World upside down.=20 > > Global thermonuclear war is the answer. > > That would only make things worse. 10-30% casualties in the immediate=20 > blast zones and then a nasty lingering death for the injured survivors.==20>=20 > > System failure!=20 >=20 > I reckon the system has coped relatively well. UK could have done a lot =better if our crazy government had listened to its scientific advisors.=20 And less to its economic advisors, who seem to have a very short term outlo= ok. The UK has had 2,089 Covid-19 deaths per million. 27 countries have do= ne worse. including the USA, but few of them have done much worse. Peru sti= cks out with 5,971, but Czechia is seventh with 2,932. Australia at 167th on the list might claim to have done reasonably well at = 73 - except that it was at 50 before our government got careless and let in= the Delta strain by sloppy quarantine on US aircrew. New Zealand - at 7 d= eaths per million - is closer to what having coped "relatively well" might = look like. The UK is a shambles. https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-d&q=3Dshambles+meaning Butcher's slaughter house isn't too far off the mark. --=20 Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●November 14, 20212021-11-14
On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:36:05 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:> > Relax, let Microsoft do it . . . . ;-pThat better be sarcasm. Win 10 locked up during an update yesterday. I had to reboot several times before it started tto actually do the update. It had been hung on 'restarting' for over an hour when I did the first reboot. (It was middle of the night and I had dozed off.)
Reply by ●November 14, 20212021-11-14
Am 14.11.21 um 22:03 schrieb Michael Terrell:> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:36:05 PM UTC-5, legg wrote: >> >> Relax, let Microsoft do it . . . . ;-p > > That better be sarcasm. Win 10 locked up during an update yesterday. I had to reboot several times before it started tto actually do the update. It had been hung on 'restarting' for over an hour when I did the first reboot. (It was middle of the night and I had dozed off.) >yes, I run it in a VMware machine under Linux supervision and normally it has no internet. It is unvisible from the net side and all it sees from the universe is the d: partition shared with the Linux host. That has the nice effect that it does not reboot when it thinks my computer belongs to Microsoft and not to me. Like every other week I let it free last Friday for an hour, so it could do its update voodoo. Downloaded half the world, istalled it, rebooted a lot of times, found out that the install was not so good, uninstalled everything again, rebooted twice as often as before. Then I found that my screen had new hot spots; when my mouse ran there, pictures of ugly celebrities popped up, including endless stories of their lifes. It took me 2 hours until my CAD machine was usable again. Gerhard
Reply by ●November 15, 20212021-11-15
On 08/11/2021 23:45, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> What do you think this is? [1] > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > Or maybe > > datasheet.pdf ? > > And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? > You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. > > And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make > you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what > they have? > > And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire > product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not > available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. > > > > [1] it's a data sheet for a relay > >mech_eng_jw.pdf is mechanical engineering for jehova's witnesses, of course.
Reply by ●November 15, 20212021-11-15
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:03:52 -0800 (PST), Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:>On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:36:05 PM UTC-5, legg wrote: >> >> Relax, let Microsoft do it . . . . ;-p > > That better be sarcasm. Win 10 locked up during an update yesterday. I had to reboot several times before it started tto actually do the update. It had been hung on 'restarting' for over an hour when I did the first reboot. (It was middle of the night and I had dozed off.)Microsoft is always offering stupid places to save documents, requiring repeated directory navigation. They even create 'my document', 'my music' and similar directories, buried somewhere in the 'user' pile-up. It seems to remember some previous directories, but can't do repeated saves to the same place, unless it's the directory that the document originated from, prior to save. When you do get the thing into the right directory, with a suitable file name, the original remains unaltered in a stupid place for posterity, for ever, unless you can find and erase it. Same is probably true of every executable, installer etc etc, not to mention browser trash. If there weren't Terabyte HDDs, windows users would be in the toilet. I've always created my own directory structure, holding, where possible, related files and programs where they can be found using the minimum of reason. Strangely, a ecent Linux distro that I'm trying to adopt doesn't seem to allow this - even going so far as to deny the existence of navigable disc and directory structures. Can't fathom that philosophy. RL
Reply by ●November 15, 20212021-11-15
On 15/11/21 13:29, legg wrote:> If there weren't Terabyte HDDs, windows users would be in the > toilet.I think everything in that sentence is wrong :)> I've always created my own directory structure, holding, where > possible, related files and programs where they can be found > using the minimum of reason.Yup. It is amusing that recent versions of Windows have reverted /users (I think), just as MS used 40 years ago in their other operating system, Xenix.> Strangely, a ecent Linux distro that I'm trying to adopt doesn't > seem to allow this - even going so far as to deny the existence > of navigable disc and directory structures. Can't fathom that > philosophy.Which one? That will allow me to ignore it.
