rant: filenames

On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 21:17:38 +0200, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

>On 11/11/2021 20:03, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:57:13 +0000, Martin Brown
>>> .....
>>> The vaccines are pretty good. Amazingly good considering the novelty of
>>> the virus that they are targetting. I reckon you should be free to
>>> choose whether to be vaccinated or not, but if you choose not to then
>>> you have no right to an ICU bed if you get seriously ill with Covid.
>> 
>> How about people who ride motorcycles or rock climb or eat too much?
>> 
>> Do they deserve medical care?
>
>If they begin to catch up in numbers with those filling up the beds
>because of the virus, no.

OK, let them die. Or make them die.

-- 

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts, 
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On 11/11/21 21:28, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 18:53:32 +0000, Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/11/21 18:03, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:57:13 +0000, Martin Brown
>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/11/2021 14:18, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:09:34 +0000) it happened Martin Brown
>>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <smj15v$17et$1@gioia.aioe.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect things are about to get a lot worse. UK Covid levels are way
>>>>>> too high and yet again our government is sleep walking into disaster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They will "follow the science" to use their words but about a month too
>>>>>> late to do us any good. It is going to be a very tough winter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Things are getting worse here in the Netherlands too.
>>>>> The 'outbreak management team' has now suggested to the government to 'introduce a 2 tier society with QR codes',
>>>>> and for the not inoculated AND those testing not positive for covid no QR codes are given anymore, so no entry anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> I think you have that backwards. In the UK at least in the places that
>>>> are using Covid passports it is double vaccinated *or* recent Covid
>>>> negative test will get you into a venue where those rules apply.
>>>>
>>>> (recent negatives are pretty meaningless though - too many false ones)
>>>>
>>>> I think only Wales and Scotland are doing it so far. UK has just created
>>>> a massive problem by summarily firing 8% of all care home workers for
>>>> not being vaccinated as of today. This will backfire mightily. They were
>>>> already very short staffed thanks to Brexit and pandemic fatigue.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59234880
>>>>
>>>>> This means war as far as I am concerned.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not convinced that heavy handed enforcement of vaccination is a
>>>> sensible approach. UK government is doing it in healthcare and the
>>>> result is that about 10% would rather lose their jobs than be
>>>> vaccinated. Surprisingly although protesting more the French healthcare
>>>> workers seem more pragmatic about it being made compulsory.
>>>>
>>>>> So even if you have been tested and have no covid you are treated as a pariah.
>>>>
>>>> The negative test results are a bit ropey so a single negative result
>>>> doesn't tell you very much. A positive PCR test is almost invariably
>>>> accurate and a lateral flow test gives 0.1% false positives. The latter
>>>> becomes a problem when you routinely screen a few million people with it
>>>> and as many false positives as you do real ones.
>>>>
>>>> About 20% of truly positive patients get a negative PCR and ~50% get a
>>>> negative lateral flow test. There are documented instances of people in
>>>> the public eye having Covid and two consecutive negative LF tests!
>>>>
>>>>> Those who have natural immunity are victimized and the Medical Industrial Complex kills and kill and kill with it crap vaccines.
>>>>
>>>> The vaccines are pretty good. Amazingly good considering the novelty of
>>>> the virus that they are targetting. I reckon you should be free to
>>>> choose whether to be vaccinated or not, but if you choose not to then
>>>> you have no right to an ICU bed if you get seriously ill with Covid.
>>>
>>> How about people who ride motorcycles or rock climb or eat too much?
>>>
>>> Do they deserve medical care?
>>
>> A reasonable question. Yes, I think they do - and I am happy to
>> pay my taxes to ensure they do.
>>
>> Key differences:
>>   - their are benefits to their risky activities
>>   - they will take precautions to be safe while doing their
>>     risky activity
> 
> Not the motorcyclists here!
> 
> 
> 
>>   - they aren't risking innocent people /with impunity/. If, e.g.,
>>     a motorcyclist injures a pedestrian, they can be prosecuted
>>     with heavy penalties
>>
>>
>>>> The main effect of the vaccination is to prevent serious illness in
>>>> those who have been vaccinated. If you choose to refuse that protection
>>>> then that is your problem. Vaccination does little to prevent
>>>> transmission so the compulsory vaccination thing is a red herring.
>>>>
>>>> You are already much more likely to catch Covid from someone who is
>>>> double vaccinated than from the remaining 15% of refuseniks. FWIW my
>>>> local areas has now reached theoretical 85% (ANU) herd immunity levels
>>>> of double vaccination and a further 5% young people single dosed. It
>>>> hasn't made one jot of difference to Covid levels. This week was the
>>>> first time we were pinged. 2% of the UK population has Covid right now!
>>>
>>> The virus may keep mutating around vaccines. Anti-virals for serious
>>> cases may be the long term plan.
>>
>> The new antivirals are a big benefit, and another tool in the box.
>>
>> But they aren't a substitute for avoiding the disease through
>> vaccination any more than iron lungs are a substitute for polio
>> vaccinations.

That doesn't change the point.


> The polio vaccination lasted for life, and polio is almost gone
> anyhow.

I was with someone in school who was in a wheelchair
because of polio.


> It looks like everyone may need to be vaccinated against covid every 6
> months (and wear those silly masks) forever.

Yup.

Masks are a bloody nuisance for me: my glasses mist up and
I'm a lipreader.

I still wear them and avoid shops where too many people
aren't wearing them.


> The alternative is to go back to normal life and treat the serious
> cases.

That's what's happening here. The bloody antivaxxers are
making it less effective than it should be.

The medical profession is on its knees, and the government's
only response is to do the thing that is effective with
politicians: bribe them with money. Since medics aren't
particularly motivated by money, that is having not much
effect.

On 11/11/2021 23:29, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 21:17:38 +0200, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/11/2021 20:03, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:57:13 +0000, Martin Brown
>>>> .....
>>>> The vaccines are pretty good. Amazingly good considering the novelty of
>>>> the virus that they are targetting. I reckon you should be free to
>>>> choose whether to be vaccinated or not, but if you choose not to then
>>>> you have no right to an ICU bed if you get seriously ill with Covid.
>>>
>>> How about people who ride motorcycles or rock climb or eat too much?
>>>
>>> Do they deserve medical care?
>>
>> If they begin to catch up in numbers with those filling up the beds
>> because of the virus, no.
> 
> OK, let them die. Or make them die.
> 

So now you pretend you don't get it, OK. Just for the sake of
the tribal propaganda you are set out to do.

If they will take up intensive care beds when there are none while
non-suicidal people are in need you prefer those who chose
suicide to be saved and let those who wanted to live die.
Very wise indeed.

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 4:45:59 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> What do you think this is? [1] 
> mech_eng_jw.pdf 
> Or maybe 
> datasheet.pdf ? 
> And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? 
> You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. 
> And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make 
> you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what 
> they have? 
> And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire 
> product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not 
> available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. 
> [1] it's a data sheet for a relay 
> Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; 
> but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was 
> always most valuable when he had lost it.

Hi John,
Agreed, some human-interpretable info should be in the file 

Some standard naming convention, like that used for 
government-spec standard parts, would be good.
Taxonomy management is a whole job by itself.
Large orgs have people to do this work.

As a DIY tool, I found this to be helpful, to make
PDF's (part datasheets) have more info.

"File Metadata"
https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/File-Management/File-Metadata.shtml

Now when I select a PDF in File explorer, the "Details Pane" has
many more fields available to see & edit.
I.e., In 'Comments' describe what the document is about.

regards, RS

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 2:38:35 PM UTC-8, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 11/11/21 21:28, John Larkin wrote: 

> > It looks like everyone may need to be vaccinated against covid every 6 
> > months (and wear those silly masks) forever.

Pessimist.   The mask thing is one of many recurring solutions
that are traditional medicine because.. they sometimes work.
Come up with something better, or it's inevitable.

> The medical profession is on its knees, and the government's 
> only response is to do the thing that is effective with 
> politicians: bribe them with money. Since medics aren't 
> particularly motivated by money, that is having not much 
> effect.

Oh, money is effective, but it takes stuff, space, and staff to build up
a medical establishment, and that 'staff' element has a long lead-time.
Covid takes in days, an MD takes after  years.

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:45:59 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> What do you think this is? [1] 
> 
> mech_eng_jw.pdf 
> 
> Or maybe 
> 
> datasheet.pdf ? 
> 
> And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? 
> You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. 
> 
> And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make 
> you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what 
> they have? 
> 
> And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire 
> product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not 
> available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. 
> 
> 
> 
> [1] it's a data sheet for a relay 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; 
> but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was 
> always most valuable when he had lost it.

You are obviously too young to remember the good old days when we had to have datasheets and databooks mailed to us. And, then, you had to have a room full of bookshelves to hold them all.

On 11/11/2021 22:38, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 11/11/21 21:28, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 18:53:32 +0000, Tom Gardner
>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/11/21 18:03, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

>>>> The virus may keep mutating around vaccines. Anti-virals for serious
>>>> cases may be the long term plan.

Antiviral drugs have always been a last resort. The vaccine based 
immunity should be enough to tip the balance so that going forward the 
Covid infection is no worse than influenza for those who have been fully 
vaccinated. Once you have been vaccinated *and* recovered from a Covid 
infection (in either order) you should be in a much stronger position.

The last pandemic strain of Coronavirus OC43 became a bad common cold 
once it had burnt through the world population in 1889-91 killing 1%. It 
took about 5 years before things fully returned to normal back then.

Worst case we may have to vaccinate the most vulnerable annually much as 
we do for seasonal flu. Good thing about Coronaviruses is that they are 
relatively genetically stable so much less of a moving target cf flu.

>> It looks like everyone may need to be vaccinated against covid every 6
>> months (and wear those silly masks) forever.
> 
> Yup.

Not everyone just the most vulnerable. It will all hinge on what 
proportion of the population acquire a lasting immunity good enough to 
prevent them from becoming seriously ill. Right now the vaccine seems to 
be preventing a lot of serious illness in those who are fully vaccinated 
but unvaccinated idiots are clogging up the hospitals and ICU beds.

> Masks are a bloody nuisance for me: my glasses mist up and
> I'm a lipreader.

Carrying your own personal fog round is a feature of the new mask 
wearing regime. It seems to make a difference. Mask wearers are 
statistically 66% less like to catch Covid than non mask wearers. 
Unclear if this is because non-mask wearers do other stupid things.

> I still wear them and avoid shops where too many people
> aren't wearing them.

I prefer places where most people wear masks indoors, but I have been in 
places where they didn't.
I am reasonably confident that my vaccine protection will hold for now.
>> The alternative is to go back to normal life and treat the serious
>> cases.
> 
> That's what's happening here. The bloody antivaxxers are
> making it less effective than it should be.

I'm not convinced that they are. They are putting themselves in 
unnecessary danger and clogging up the NHS ICU beds but they are no more 
of a threat to those of us who are vaccinated than anyone else is.

If the vaccine was a sterilising one then the unvaccinated would be a 
source of the problem but since anyone can transmit the disease whether 
vaccinated or unvaccinated they are not really a big factor. Their main 
effect is to cripple the health service by becoming dangerously ill. 
That is their choice but they should properly understand the risks.

The big problem right now is waning immunity in the most elderly who 
were vaccinated first and now CBA to go and get their booster jab. The 
government made the whole thing so difficult at first with the crazy you 
can't book online until 6 months and 1 week after your second jab (and 
then you can't get an appointment slot for another 6 weeks). The system 
knows the jab dates so it could have been done a lot better.

Delta means that anyone you meet can be a carrier and at the moment in 
the UK that means about 1:50 (1:40 in Wales). So in a room with 35 
people the odds are 50:50 that there is at least once hot Covid case. 
This figure is uncomfortably close to the size of school classes.

You are already more likely to catch Covid from a vaccinated individual 
than from an unvaccinated one. My local area has reached ANU's 85% "herd 
immunity" mirage without any signs of it. In fact it is sufficiently hot 
that we were pinged last week (and I don't know of anyone who hasn't 
been pinged round here any more). It was a false alarm but on checking 
there were 2 known cases in the same place at different times of day 
(advantage in a small community - you know who has got it).

Weirdest thing is that places with relatively low vaccination levels 
that were hit very hard in the first wave like Liverpool and Manchester 
are now better than average in the UK. That is peculiar. Otherwise it 
still pretty much follows the urban deprivation pattern as before.

> The medical profession is on its knees, and the government's
> only response is to do the thing that is effective with
> politicians: bribe them with money. Since medics aren't
> particularly motivated by money, that is having not much
> effect.

I hadn't noticed the government being overly generous with the medics. 
Most recently they have been berating GP's for not having enough face to 
face meetings with their hypochondriac patients.

-- 
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 11/11/2021 18:03, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:57:13 +0000, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/11/2021 14:18, Jan Panteltje wrote:

>>> Those who have natural immunity are victimized and the Medical Industrial Complex kills and kill and kill with it crap vaccines.
>>
>> The vaccines are pretty good. Amazingly good considering the novelty of
>> the virus that they are targetting. I reckon you should be free to
>> choose whether to be vaccinated or not, but if you choose not to then
>> you have no right to an ICU bed if you get seriously ill with Covid.
> 
> How about people who ride motorcycles or rock climb or eat too much?
> 
> Do they deserve medical care?

They are not endangering others by their actions.

I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into 
the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to 
navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain 
rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that 
should be charged for the full cost of their rescue.

I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to 
wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their 
windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled 
survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance.

US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill 
smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use 
a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834

Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate 
as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver.

>> You are already much more likely to catch Covid from someone who is
>> double vaccinated than from the remaining 15% of refuseniks. FWIW my
>> local areas has now reached theoretical 85% (ANU) herd immunity levels
>> of double vaccination and a further 5% young people single dosed. It
>> hasn't made one jot of difference to Covid levels. This week was the
>> first time we were pinged. 2% of the UK population has Covid right now!
> 
> The virus may keep mutating around vaccines. Anti-virals for serious
> cases may be the long term plan.

I think persistent immunity that reduces it to a bad cold will be how it 
ultimately pans out. It will kill off all those who are most susceptible 
and then join the pantheon of childhood sniffles coronavirus diseases.

The next generation will have lifelong immunity from harm by Covid even 
if they are likely to catch it every 5 years or so (maybe more often).

-- 
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 12/11/21 09:15, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 11/11/2021 22:38, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> The medical profession is on its knees, and the government's
>> only response is to do the thing that is effective with
>> politicians: bribe them with money. Since medics aren't
>> particularly motivated by money, that is having not much
>> effect.
> 
> I hadn't noticed the government being overly generous with the medics. Most 
> recently they have been berating GP's for not having enough face to face 
> meetings with their hypochondriac patients.

Looks like they are offering GPs ~£5000 to have more face-to-face meetings.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/14/englands-gps-to-get-250m-boost-if-they-see-more-patients-face-to-face

That seems to be around the going price for "sponsoring" an MP,
but it can be argued that viruses are more of a danger to GPs
than knives are to MPs :(

As someone said about US politicians, "I knew they could be
bought, but I was horrified to find I could afford one".

On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:50:01 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

>On 11/11/2021 18:03, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:57:13 +0000, Martin Brown
>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11/11/2021 14:18, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>>>> Those who have natural immunity are victimized and the Medical Industrial Complex kills and kill and kill with it crap vaccines.
>>>
>>> The vaccines are pretty good. Amazingly good considering the novelty of
>>> the virus that they are targetting. I reckon you should be free to
>>> choose whether to be vaccinated or not, but if you choose not to then
>>> you have no right to an ICU bed if you get seriously ill with Covid.
>> 
>> How about people who ride motorcycles or rock climb or eat too much?
>> 
>> Do they deserve medical care?
>
>They are not endangering others by their actions.

Of course they are. 

>
>I would not ask mountain rescue teams to save people who wonder up into 
>the mountain in flipflops using Google maps on their mobile phone to 
>navigate and then get lost when the battery runs out. The mountain 
>rescue teams are rather more forgiving but I think idiots who do that 
>should be charged for the full cost of their rescue.
>
>I would limit treatment to life saving only for people who refuse to 
>wear seat belts and were mangled as a result of going through their 
>windscreen. That is another idiotic decision some make. A few mangled 
>survivors wondering around would do wonders for seat belt compliance.

Wow, good thing you don't make health-care policy. Every ER would have
an intake moralist on staff who would decide who should be rejected
and die.

>
>US is particularly bad for this since airbag explosives are set to kill 
>smaller women drivers just to save the big fat lard arse who CBA to use 
>a seat belt. I don't think that is fair to women drivers YMMV. eg.
>
>https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/south-carolina-driver-killed-exploding-air-bag-inflator-77230834
>
>Although that particular one was due to using unstable ammonium nitrate 
>as the propellant it was the *amount* of it that killed the driver.

Do european air bags have less propellant? Is the amount loaded on a
per-country basis?



-- 

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; 
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.