On 4/12/19 1:53 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>> >>> >> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>> requirement on a magazine. >>> >> >> >> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >> Trading has every right to be interested. > > Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the resulting > equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if it's done by > way a plug into a power socket. > >> >> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. > > If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >> >> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >> must do that themselves. > > Or not connect them that way. > > I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping nanny-stateism. > > Sylvia.Americans for example can't make up their mind what they're scared of most, the filthy non-white "invaders" or a enormously powerful centralized government with gigantic law enforcement budgets and LEO with sweeping powers to do pretty much whatever they want.
Nannies want to stop you from building mains-powered projects
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On 4/12/19 8:12 PM, bitrex wrote:> On 4/12/19 1:53 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >>> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>>> requirement on a magazine. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >>> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >>> Trading has every right to be interested. >> >> Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the >> resulting equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if >> it's done by way a plug into a power socket. >> >>> >>> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >>> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >>> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >>> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >> >> If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >>> >>> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >>> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >>> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >>> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >>> must do that themselves. >> >> Or not connect them that way. >> >> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping >> nanny-stateism. >> >> Sylvia. > > > Americans for example can't make up their mind what they're scared of > most, the filthy non-white "invaders" or a enormously powerful > centralized government with gigantic law enforcement budgets and LEO > with sweeping powers to do pretty much whatever they want.At the moment it's the former but it may switch to the latter once the boomers pass on or the population as a whole stops huffing so much paint thinner but unfortunately once law enforcement with sweeping powers gets put there they tend to like to find things to do with their time, and if it isn't busting illegals (y'know once the wall is finished and there are no more), it will be somebody.
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On 4/12/19 3:30 PM, John Larkin wrote:> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:53:51 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> > wrote: > >> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >>> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>>> requirement on a magazine. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >>> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >>> Trading has every right to be interested. >> >> Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the resulting >> equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if it's done by >> way a plug into a power socket. >> >>> >>> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >>> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >>> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >>> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >> >> If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >>> >>> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >>> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >>> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >>> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >>> must do that themselves. >> >> Or not connect them that way. > > We have a Tek TPS2000 scope, where all the inputs (including trigger) > are isolated. So you can hang a probe ground clip anywhere in a > line-powered circuit. That's very helpful. > >> >> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping nanny-stateism. >> >> Sylvia. > > There is a movement back to old-fashioned free-range children. > >What the fuck is a "free-range child" is it like a free-range chicken? Sounds like yet another excuse for a stay-at-home mom to not get a job.
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On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:21:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 4/12/19 3:30 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:53:51 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>>>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>>>> requirement on a magazine. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >>>> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >>>> Trading has every right to be interested. >>> >>> Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the resulting >>> equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if it's done by >>> way a plug into a power socket. >>> >>>> >>>> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >>>> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >>>> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >>>> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >>> >>> If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >>>> >>>> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >>>> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >>>> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >>>> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >>>> must do that themselves. >>> >>> Or not connect them that way. >> >> We have a Tek TPS2000 scope, where all the inputs (including trigger) >> are isolated. So you can hang a probe ground clip anywhere in a >> line-powered circuit. That's very helpful. >> >>> >>> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping nanny-stateism. >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> There is a movement back to old-fashioned free-range children. >> >> > >What the fuck is a "free-range child" is it like a free-range chicken?Almost exactly. They'll come home when they get hungry. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:12:58 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 4/12/19 1:53 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >>> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>>> requirement on a magazine. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >>> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >>> Trading has every right to be interested. >> >> Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the resulting >> equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if it's done by >> way a plug into a power socket. >> >>> >>> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >>> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >>> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >>> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >> >> If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >>> >>> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >>> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >>> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >>> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >>> must do that themselves. >> >> Or not connect them that way. >> >> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping nanny-stateism. >> >> Sylvia. > > >Americans for example can't make up their mind what they're scared of >most, the filthy non-white "invaders" or a enormously powerful >centralized government with gigantic law enforcement budgets and LEO >with sweeping powers to do pretty much whatever they want.We're scared of too much of the population refusing to think. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:00:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 4/12/19 12:47 AM, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>> >>> >> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >> >>> >>> >>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading which >>> particular section of which particular law imposes a safety requirement >>> on a magazine. >>> >> >> >> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair Trading has every right to be interested. >> >> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >> >> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers must do that themselves. >> >> The content of that editorial is entirely self serving. >> >> >> >> .... Phil >> >> >> >> > >Could you refresh the memory of the "younger audience" what a "wall >plate dimmer" is, exactly? And what the danger is? > >A Google search seems to bring up various ads for general lighting >products not terribly relevant. I don't know that I've ever seen one. > >I've seen the standard Diac + Triac + rheostat phase-shift incandescent >dimmer circuit before, in books, I have a little book called "Industrial >Transistor Circuits" from circa 1965 with a number of variations on it. >Antique stuff... >Hardly antique. https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Electronics-D-600RH-DK-Single-600-watt/dp/B000BQP9TK/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?crid=24IOPJEFWEO55&keywords=dimmer+switch&pd_rd_i=B000BQP9TK&pd_rd_r=23341389-9b25-4ab0-bbfc-57dcd482534f&pd_rd_w=7Uz3r&pd_rd_wg=X6zaD&pf_rd_p=5c5ea0d7-2437-4d8a-88a7-ea6f32aeac11&pf_rd_r=H895ZK0Q39925JS41J6K&qid=1555116297&s=gateway&sprefix=dimmer%2Caps%2C187 "younger audience" can also mean "ignorant", and usually does. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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On 4/12/19 8:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:21:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> On 4/12/19 3:30 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:53:51 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>>>>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>>>>> requirement on a magazine. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >>>>> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >>>>> Trading has every right to be interested. >>>> >>>> Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the resulting >>>> equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if it's done by >>>> way a plug into a power socket. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >>>>> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >>>>> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >>>>> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >>>> >>>> If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >>>>> >>>>> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >>>>> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >>>>> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >>>>> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >>>>> must do that themselves. >>>> >>>> Or not connect them that way. >>> >>> We have a Tek TPS2000 scope, where all the inputs (including trigger) >>> are isolated. So you can hang a probe ground clip anywhere in a >>> line-powered circuit. That's very helpful. >>> >>>> >>>> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping nanny-stateism. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> There is a movement back to old-fashioned free-range children. >>> >>> >> >> What the fuck is a "free-range child" is it like a free-range chicken? > > Almost exactly. They'll come home when they get hungry. >Children seem better at being cautious around busy streets and moving vehicles than many adults I see
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On 4/12/19 8:41 PM, John Larkin wrote:> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:12:58 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> On 4/12/19 1:53 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>>>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>>>> requirement on a magazine. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >>>> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >>>> Trading has every right to be interested. >>> >>> Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the resulting >>> equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if it's done by >>> way a plug into a power socket. >>> >>>> >>>> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >>>> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >>>> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >>>> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >>> >>> If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >>>> >>>> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >>>> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >>>> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >>>> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >>>> must do that themselves. >>> >>> Or not connect them that way. >>> >>> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping nanny-stateism. >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> >> Americans for example can't make up their mind what they're scared of >> most, the filthy non-white "invaders" or a enormously powerful >> centralized government with gigantic law enforcement budgets and LEO >> with sweeping powers to do pretty much whatever they want. > > We're scared of too much of the population refusing to think. > >I think a lot of people tend to be pretty sharp a lot of the time, didn't get to be the dominant species on the planet by being too dumb, in the average. I think you don't like it when people don't agree with you and this is a knee-jerk rejoinder. I think rather than being scared you rather enjoy the notion that many people don't think, and you do. This is what I think...;)
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On 4/12/19 2:59 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 02:45:36 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote: > >> N_Cook wrote... >>> >>> My mummy (too impoversished for a nanny) never warned me to never go >>> near the 240V that can leak out of our sockets in the UK. >> >> And what happened? > > He clearly didn't die, so all worked out fine in the end. No irrational > fears to hold him back. > >Yeah but what about the nanny? "too impoverished for a nanny" A LIKELY STORY.
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On 4/12/19 8:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:>> Could you refresh the memory of the "younger audience" what a "wall >> plate dimmer" is, exactly? And what the danger is? >> >> A Google search seems to bring up various ads for general lighting >> products not terribly relevant. I don't know that I've ever seen one. >> >> I've seen the standard Diac + Triac + rheostat phase-shift incandescent >> dimmer circuit before, in books, I have a little book called "Industrial >> Transistor Circuits" from circa 1965 with a number of variations on it. >> Antique stuff... >> > > Hardly antique. > > https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Electronics-D-600RH-DK-Single-600-watt/dp/B000BQP9TK/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?crid=24IOPJEFWEO55&keywords=dimmer+switch&pd_rd_i=B000BQP9TK&pd_rd_r=23341389-9b25-4ab0-bbfc-57dcd482534f&pd_rd_w=7Uz3r&pd_rd_wg=X6zaD&pf_rd_p=5c5ea0d7-2437-4d8a-88a7-ea6f32aeac11&pf_rd_r=H895ZK0Q39925JS41J6K&qid=1555116297&s=gateway&sprefix=dimmer%2Caps%2C187 > > "younger audience" can also mean "ignorant", and usually does. > >The broom is an antique design too does the fact that you can still buy brooms on Amazon in addition to vacuum cleaners make it not antiqued?
