On 4/12/19 2:54 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:53:51 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote: > >> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping >> nanny-stateism. > > I fully agree, there's just no end to it all. > Ignore Alison. He has an extreme phobia of electricity and won't even > take the lid off a microwave to replace a blown fuse! One has to wonder > why he ever became a service engineer in the first place; very poor > choice of career for someone like that.Having anxiety about dangerous voltages is an excellent idea that feeling is there for a reason,and complacency is deadly
Nannies want to stop you from building mains-powered projects
Started by ●April 11, 2019
Reply by ●April 12, 20192019-04-12
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
On Friday, April 12, 2019 at 8:13:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:> > Americans for example can't make up their mind what they're scared of > most, the filthy non-white "invaders" or a enormously powerful > centralized government with gigantic law enforcement budgets and LEO > with sweeping powers to do pretty much whatever they want.Isn't it nice to be able to hold 300,000,000 people in the palm of your hand to be able to see then so clearly. You are amazing! -- Rick C. -+ Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
On Friday, April 12, 2019 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:> > We're scared of too much of the population refusing to think.Maybe that is a direct consequence of what happens when the population does the thinking? -- Rick C. +- Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging +- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
On 4/12/19 11:05 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:> On Friday, April 12, 2019 at 8:13:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote: >> >> Americans for example can't make up their mind what they're scared of >> most, the filthy non-white "invaders" or a enormously powerful >> centralized government with gigantic law enforcement budgets and LEO >> with sweeping powers to do pretty much whatever they want. > > Isn't it nice to be able to hold 300,000,000 people in the palm of your hand to be able to see then so clearly. > > You are amazing! >You have to learn to accept synecdoche as an important feature of aphorisms. that's what an aphorism is. a generalization. Don't nerd out over it nerdles
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
On Friday, April 12, 2019 at 11:15:09 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:> On 4/12/19 11:05 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, April 12, 2019 at 8:13:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote: > >> > >> Americans for example can't make up their mind what they're scared of > >> most, the filthy non-white "invaders" or a enormously powerful > >> centralized government with gigantic law enforcement budgets and LEO > >> with sweeping powers to do pretty much whatever they want. > > > > Isn't it nice to be able to hold 300,000,000 people in the palm of your hand to be able to see then so clearly. > > > > You are amazing! > > > > You have to learn to accept synecdoche as an important feature of > aphorisms. that's what an aphorism is. a generalization.Perhaps you would do better if you actually learned the correct meaning of synecdoche? Then perhaps you wouldn't stereotype people. -- Rick C. ++ Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging ++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 17:40:24 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:>On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:21:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >>On 4/12/19 3:30 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:53:51 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>>>>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>>>>> requirement on a magazine. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >>>>> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >>>>> Trading has every right to be interested. >>>> >>>> Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the resulting >>>> equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if it's done by >>>> way a plug into a power socket. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >>>>> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >>>>> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >>>>> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >>>> >>>> If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >>>>> >>>>> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >>>>> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >>>>> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >>>>> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >>>>> must do that themselves. >>>> >>>> Or not connect them that way. >>> >>> We have a Tek TPS2000 scope, where all the inputs (including trigger) >>> are isolated. So you can hang a probe ground clip anywhere in a >>> line-powered circuit. That's very helpful. >>> >>>> >>>> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping nanny-stateism. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> There is a movement back to old-fashioned free-range children. >>> >>> >> >>What the fuck is a "free-range child" is it like a free-range chicken? > >Almost exactly. They'll come home when they get hungry.Or when "the street lights come on".
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:57:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 4/12/19 8:41 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:12:58 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> On 4/12/19 1:53 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 12/04/2019 2:47 pm, pallison49@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> Sylvia Else raving nut case wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/April/Nannies+want+to+stop+you+building+mains-powered+projects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The first think Nicholas Vinen should do is ask NSW Fair Trading >>>>>> which particular section of which particular law imposes a safety >>>>>> requirement on a magazine. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are >>>>> hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair >>>>> Trading has every right to be interested. >>>> >>>> Build mains-powered gear is not inherently hazardous, and the resulting >>>> equipment can be lawfully connected to the mains in NSW if it's done by >>>> way a plug into a power socket. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions >>>>> reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and >>>>> have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may >>>>> well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. >>>> >>>> If Jaycar do that, that's a matter for them, not for Silicon Chip. >>>>> >>>>> Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a >>>>> recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be >>>>> installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician >>>>> can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers >>>>> must do that themselves. >>>> >>>> Or not connect them that way. >>>> >>>> I think there's every reason to be concerned about creeping nanny-stateism. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> >>> Americans for example can't make up their mind what they're scared of >>> most, the filthy non-white "invaders" or a enormously powerful >>> centralized government with gigantic law enforcement budgets and LEO >>> with sweeping powers to do pretty much whatever they want. >> >> We're scared of too much of the population refusing to think. >> >> > >I think a lot of people tend to be pretty sharp a lot of the time, >didn't get to be the dominant species on the planet by being too dumb, >in the average.People don't dominate, tribes do. Only a minority need to think, and the rest don't think, but follow charismatic or brutal leaders and do what they are told. They do, on a group tribal basis, decide who will do the thinking for them; that collective decision is not generally rational. That's why people are enthusiastic about "our" political party and "our" football team, both of which are just hired thugs.> >I think you don't like it when people don't agree with you and this is a >knee-jerk rejoinder. I think rather than being scared you rather enjoy >the notion that many people don't think, and you do.Well, I'm basically never scared, so I have to think. Try it.> >This is what I think...;)I think that you are obsessed with race and racial guilt. You keep bringing that up. I think that ranting about ' filthy non-white "invaders" ' is telling. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 21:11:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 4/12/19 8:47 PM, John Larkin wrote: > >>> Could you refresh the memory of the "younger audience" what a "wall >>> plate dimmer" is, exactly? And what the danger is? >>> >>> A Google search seems to bring up various ads for general lighting >>> products not terribly relevant. I don't know that I've ever seen one. >>> >>> I've seen the standard Diac + Triac + rheostat phase-shift incandescent >>> dimmer circuit before, in books, I have a little book called "Industrial >>> Transistor Circuits" from circa 1965 with a number of variations on it. >>> Antique stuff... >>> >> >> Hardly antique. >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Electronics-D-600RH-DK-Single-600-watt/dp/B000BQP9TK/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?crid=24IOPJEFWEO55&keywords=dimmer+switch&pd_rd_i=B000BQP9TK&pd_rd_r=23341389-9b25-4ab0-bbfc-57dcd482534f&pd_rd_w=7Uz3r&pd_rd_wg=X6zaD&pf_rd_p=5c5ea0d7-2437-4d8a-88a7-ea6f32aeac11&pf_rd_r=H895ZK0Q39925JS41J6K&qid=1555116297&s=gateway&sprefix=dimmer%2Caps%2C187 >> >> "younger audience" can also mean "ignorant", and usually does. >> >> > >The broom is an antique design too does the fact that you can still buy >brooms on Amazon in addition to vacuum cleaners make it not antiqued?Do we also have to show you what a broom is? -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
The " bitrex " troll wrote:> > > > ** A magazine is a product and if it contains instructions that are hazardous to carry and/or contradict electrical safety law - Fair Trading has every right to be interested. > > > > In this case, Jaycar will soon be selling kits and instructions reprinted from the Silicon Chip magazine for anyone to purchase and have a go at producing their very own touch dimmer. The complaint may well contain that info but we are not privy to such detail. > > > > Wall plate dimmers are not allowed on sale unless type approved by a recognised agency and as stated in the editorial must only be installed by a licenced electrician. There is no way an electrician can legally install a home built, non approved dimmer - so kit buyers must do that themselves. > > > > The content of that editorial is entirely self serving. > > > > > > > > > > Could you refresh the memory of the "younger audience" what a "wall > plate dimmer" is, exactly?** See: https://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2019/February/Versatile+Trailing+Edge+Dimmer+with+Touch+Plate+%2526+IR++?res=nonflash> And what the danger is?** Work it out for yourself - smartarse. .... Phil
Reply by ●April 13, 20192019-04-13
The " bitrex " troll wrote:> > > Ah, I thought it was some kind of capacitive-thing. > > Regardless why is an electronics mag encouraging anyone to futz around > with that old junk in 2019... > >** Similar dimmer units are on sale now from electrical wholesalers and the like. Nothing old hat about it. .... Phil
