bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:6_gLD.803302$cL2.127847@fx43.iad:> On 11/27/2018 02:11 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org > wrote: >> gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote in >> news:645c497e-db00-43f4-a88c-d3e163dab3a6@googlegroups.com: >> >>> From what has been posted here the Volt was an excellent hybrid >>> auto >>> with a lot going for it. I'm sorry to see it go. I wonder why >>> sales were never very high? >>> >> >> Because they did not sell them. They were only available to >> lease. > > Lol you're wrong > >> A bad model, IMO. > > Nonsense it was the best-reviewed sedan GM was making as of 2018Sales model, not car model, you stupid fuck. Lease only was a bad model. The car was fine. Damn you are thick, boy.> >> I am sure the respin will be better and incorporate many >> improvements >> based on what was learned from their first and from everyone >> else's foray into the game. >> >> GM will be back. >> > > Probably correctAs if your opinion of my correctness matters to me.
GM Is Dropping the Volt
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On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 6:44:25 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:> On 11/27/2018 06:36 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 5:44:04 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote: > >> > >> Still has the 10 second 0-60 time problem. This isn't an issue for a lot > >> of drivers. The Volt's is more like 7 seconds or slightly less, it's the > >> difference between a car that you have to drive and a car that's really > >> fun to drive. > >> > >> I tried the Prius Prime it was okay. I got the Volt on how enormously > >> fun it is to zip away from a red light with the dash power bargraph > >> meter hitting 100 kilowatts output power to the powertrain and a very > >> satisfying soft "Skreeeeeee!" rising tone coming from the main drive > >> motor sucking down the juice, like something from Star Trek. other than > >> totally silent just the tire noise and warm summer breeze coming in the > >> window. > >> > >> It's a different experience than any other hybrid or plug-in hybrid I've > >> driven before, very cool and unique and it would probably still be in > >> production if more people who were considering a Prius were able to have > >> it. > > > > Yeah, Tesla owners can get that same experience by keeping the car in "classic" mode (low acceleration) and playing a Star Trek track while hitting the pedal. 100 kW is what I use when merging with traffic. A couple of seconds or so and I'm from 40 to 60. 200 kW is what I use when I want to punch it. 400 kW is what I use for the pure thrill of driving a fast car. Then when I feel like letting my hair down, I turn on Ludicrous mode with 60% more torque. I've never looked at the kW consumed in Ludicrous mode. I'm too busy watching the road. > > > > Talk about fun driving!!! > > > > Rick C. > > > > Tesla referral code -++ https://ts.la/richard11209 > > > > Yeah I paid the same as a Prius Prime though, is the pointYeah, I know. It's a shame the really nice cars cost a bit more. Rick C. Tesla referral code +-- https://ts.la/richard11209
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On 11/27/2018 06:36 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 5:44:04 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote: >> On 11/27/2018 05:16 PM, Winfield Hill wrote: >>> bitrex wrote... >>>> >>>> Also the Prius is a slushbox and looks like a dog's dinner. >>> >>> The Prius, yes. Not the Prius Prime, a new design, >>> check it out, very stylish, good and inside viewing. >>> >>> >> >> Still has the 10 second 0-60 time problem. This isn't an issue for a lot >> of drivers. The Volt's is more like 7 seconds or slightly less, it's the >> difference between a car that you have to drive and a car that's really >> fun to drive. >> >> I tried the Prius Prime it was okay. I got the Volt on how enormously >> fun it is to zip away from a red light with the dash power bargraph >> meter hitting 100 kilowatts output power to the powertrain and a very >> satisfying soft "Skreeeeeee!" rising tone coming from the main drive >> motor sucking down the juice, like something from Star Trek. other than >> totally silent just the tire noise and warm summer breeze coming in the >> window. >> >> It's a different experience than any other hybrid or plug-in hybrid I've >> driven before, very cool and unique and it would probably still be in >> production if more people who were considering a Prius were able to have >> it. > > Yeah, Tesla owners can get that same experience by keeping the car in "classic" mode (low acceleration) and playing a Star Trek track while hitting the pedal. 100 kW is what I use when merging with traffic. A couple of seconds or so and I'm from 40 to 60. 200 kW is what I use when I want to punch it. 400 kW is what I use for the pure thrill of driving a fast car. Then when I feel like letting my hair down, I turn on Ludicrous mode with 60% more torque. I've never looked at the kW consumed in Ludicrous mode. I'm too busy watching the road. > > Talk about fun driving!!! > > Rick C. > > Tesla referral code -++ https://ts.la/richard11209 >The Model X and Volt aren't even in the same vehicle class, the Volt is a compact economy hybrid the X is a ultra-high-end supercar, like are you telling me the X is really good? are u shitting me
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bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:%6hLD.837943$ZJ2.339316@fx33.iad:> On 11/27/2018 02:39 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote: >> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 2:11:43 PM UTC-5, >> DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: >>> gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote in >>> news:645c497e-db00-43f4-a88c-d3e163dab3a6@googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> From what has been posted here the Volt was an excellent hybrid >>>> auto >>>> with a lot going for it. I'm sorry to see it go. I wonder why >>>> sales were never very high? >>>> >>> >>> Because they did not sell them. They were only available to >>> lease. >>> >>> A bad model, IMO. >>> >>> I am sure the respin will be better and incorporate many >>> improvements >>> based on what was learned from their first and from everyone >>> else's foray into the game. >>> >>> GM will be back. >> >> That's funny. I see a lot of used ones for sale. Maybe they are >> all black market? >> >> Rick C. >> >> Tesla referral code + https://ts.la/richard11209 >> > > You could buy them new off a GM lot from day 1 no problem,Bullshit. They may now be available for sale and may ave been for recent years, but they were NOT 'from day one', you blithering twit.> it's > just the usual made up stuff from this guy >I did not make up the fact that you are a piece of shit, and hence your whore mother should be put in prison for failing to flush you, the moment the severly ass fucked street slut shat you. Or does a simple FOAD, little boy work?
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On 11/27/2018 06:53 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 6:44:25 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote: >> On 11/27/2018 06:36 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 5:44:04 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote: >>>> >>>> Still has the 10 second 0-60 time problem. This isn't an issue for a lot >>>> of drivers. The Volt's is more like 7 seconds or slightly less, it's the >>>> difference between a car that you have to drive and a car that's really >>>> fun to drive. >>>> >>>> I tried the Prius Prime it was okay. I got the Volt on how enormously >>>> fun it is to zip away from a red light with the dash power bargraph >>>> meter hitting 100 kilowatts output power to the powertrain and a very >>>> satisfying soft "Skreeeeeee!" rising tone coming from the main drive >>>> motor sucking down the juice, like something from Star Trek. other than >>>> totally silent just the tire noise and warm summer breeze coming in the >>>> window. >>>> >>>> It's a different experience than any other hybrid or plug-in hybrid I've >>>> driven before, very cool and unique and it would probably still be in >>>> production if more people who were considering a Prius were able to have >>>> it. >>> >>> Yeah, Tesla owners can get that same experience by keeping the car in "classic" mode (low acceleration) and playing a Star Trek track while hitting the pedal. 100 kW is what I use when merging with traffic. A couple of seconds or so and I'm from 40 to 60. 200 kW is what I use when I want to punch it. 400 kW is what I use for the pure thrill of driving a fast car. Then when I feel like letting my hair down, I turn on Ludicrous mode with 60% more torque. I've never looked at the kW consumed in Ludicrous mode. I'm too busy watching the road. >>> >>> Talk about fun driving!!! >>> >>> Rick C. >>> >>> Tesla referral code -++ https://ts.la/richard11209 >>> >> >> Yeah I paid the same as a Prius Prime though, is the point > > Yeah, I know. It's a shame the really nice cars cost a bit more. > > Rick C. > > Tesla referral code +-- https://ts.la/richard11209 >$100,000 cars are non-affordable by 99% of the American population, that they should be luxurious and have incredible performance are requirements at that price point, it's non-optional. It's not a feature!
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On 11/27/2018 06:56 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:> bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in > news:%6hLD.837943$ZJ2.339316@fx33.iad: > >> On 11/27/2018 02:39 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 2:11:43 PM UTC-5, >>> DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: >>>> gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote in >>>> news:645c497e-db00-43f4-a88c-d3e163dab3a6@googlegroups.com: >>>> >>>>> From what has been posted here the Volt was an excellent hybrid >>>>> auto >>>>> with a lot going for it. I'm sorry to see it go. I wonder why >>>>> sales were never very high? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Because they did not sell them. They were only available to >>>> lease. >>>> >>>> A bad model, IMO. >>>> >>>> I am sure the respin will be better and incorporate many >>>> improvements >>>> based on what was learned from their first and from everyone >>>> else's foray into the game. >>>> >>>> GM will be back. >>> >>> That's funny. I see a lot of used ones for sale. Maybe they are >>> all black market? >>> >>> Rick C. >>> >>> Tesla referral code + https://ts.la/richard11209 >>> >> >> You could buy them new off a GM lot from day 1 no problem, > > > Bullshit. They may now be available for sale and may ave been for > recent years, but they were NOT 'from day one', you blithering twit.Backpedaling already, so were they only available to lease or not? Which is it>> it's >> just the usual made up stuff from this guy >> > > I did not make up the fact that you are a piece of shit, and hence > your whore mother should be put in prison for failing to flush you, > the moment the severly ass fucked street slut shat you. > > Or does a simple FOAD, little boy work? >They could charge a fleet of electric vehicles from a dynamo powered by how hard u are backpedaling
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On 11/27/2018 06:52 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:> bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in > news:6_gLD.803302$cL2.127847@fx43.iad: > >> On 11/27/2018 02:11 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org >> wrote: >>> gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote in >>> news:645c497e-db00-43f4-a88c-d3e163dab3a6@googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> From what has been posted here the Volt was an excellent hybrid >>>> auto >>>> with a lot going for it. I'm sorry to see it go. I wonder why >>>> sales were never very high? >>>> >>> >>> Because they did not sell them. They were only available to >>> lease. >> >> Lol you're wrong >> >>> A bad model, IMO. >> >> Nonsense it was the best-reviewed sedan GM was making as of 2018 > > Sales model, not car model, you stupid fuck. Lease only was a bad > model. The car was fine.It wasn't lease only it was leased/financed/sold, as the customer preferred, off dealer lots the same as any other GM vehicle, from the outset.> Damn you are thick, boy. >> >>> I am sure the respin will be better and incorporate many >>> improvements >>> based on what was learned from their first and from everyone >>> else's foray into the game. >>> >>> GM will be back. >>> >> >> Probably correct > > As if your opinion of my correctness matters to me. >Okay but you're still wrong, must have the Volt confused with some other car.
Reply by ●November 27, 20182018-11-27
On 11/27/2018 06:52 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:> bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in > news:6_gLD.803302$cL2.127847@fx43.iad: > >> On 11/27/2018 02:11 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org >> wrote: >>> gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote in >>> news:645c497e-db00-43f4-a88c-d3e163dab3a6@googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> From what has been posted here the Volt was an excellent hybrid >>>> auto >>>> with a lot going for it. I'm sorry to see it go. I wonder why >>>> sales were never very high? >>>> >>> >>> Because they did not sell them. They were only available to >>> lease. >> >> Lol you're wrong >> >>> A bad model, IMO. >> >> Nonsense it was the best-reviewed sedan GM was making as of 2018 > > Sales model, not car model, you stupid fuck. Lease only was a bad > model. The car was fine. > > Damn you are thick, boy.You know how new car sales at US new car dealerships works, right? You go into a big showroom with some nice cars on the floor and a lounge with leather couches and free Keurig-machine coffee and some dudes who try to rip you off? It was sold that way like any other new-manufacture Chevrolet vehicle
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On 11/27/2018 08:24 PM, bitrex wrote:> On 11/27/2018 06:52 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote: >> bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in >> news:6_gLD.803302$cL2.127847@fx43.iad: >> >>> On 11/27/2018 02:11 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org >>> wrote: >>>> gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote in >>>> news:645c497e-db00-43f4-a88c-d3e163dab3a6@googlegroups.com: >>>> >>>>> From what has been posted here the Volt was an excellent hybrid >>>>> auto >>>>> with a lot going for it. I'm sorry to see it go. I wonder why >>>>> sales were never very high? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Because they did not sell them. They were only available to >>>> lease. >>> >>> Lol you're wrong >>> >>>> A bad model, IMO. >>> >>> Nonsense it was the best-reviewed sedan GM was making as of 2018 >> >> Sales model, not car model, you stupid fuck. Lease only was a bad >> model. The car was fine. >> >> Damn you are thick, boy. > > You know how new car sales at US new car dealerships works, right? You > go into a big showroom with some nice cars on the floor and a lounge > with leather couches and free Keurig-machine coffee and some dudes who > try to rip you off? > > It was sold that way like any other new-manufacture Chevrolet vehicleFor your edification here is a picture of a bunch of Volts in a row from a few years back. This is at a place called a _Chevrolet dealership_. <https://imgur.com/a/dbS2EWL> Those are new cars which you may purchase, finance, or lease (some of them were probably awaiting pickup) same as any other new cars on the lot. If you walked in with a suitcase with $35,000 in it and said you'd like to buy one of them that was available they would have said "Of course, certainly sir" and handed you the keys within an hour
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On Tuesday, 27 November 2018 16:29:34 UTC-5, bitrex wrote:> On 11/27/2018 03:55 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 3:42:13 PM UTC-5, speff wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 27 November 2018 13:08:59 UTC-5, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote: > >>> I am not at all happy to say the Volt production will be ending as part of GM's cut backs. > >>> > >>> GM is laying off thousands of workers, closing three plants, and ending production of the Chevy Volt > >>> https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/26/18112536/gm-layoffs-factory-closing-ending-production-chevy-volt > >>> > >>> From what has been posted here the Volt was an excellent hybrid auto with a lot going for it. I'm sorry to see it go. I wonder why sales were never very high? > >>> > >>> On the other hand, with all the advanced electronics on board, maybe this will help with the shortages of the larger surface mount passives. > >>> > >> > >> The Bolt is a pretty decent, if small, car; a friend bought one and I've driven in it many times. Pure electric, not hybrid, but quite impressive range, and a bargain here when the provincial government was kicking in $14K CAD subsidy and more for the charging station- recently cancelled by the Progressive Conservative party gov't. > >> > >> It's not really that much GM- the drive train and batteries are made by LG > >> in Korea (which endears it to me, but maybe not your typical GM buyer). > >> > >> Long run the pure electrics are probably going to take more and more of the > >> market, and cheap gas, if it continues, will squeeze the hybrids. Though there is still the range anxiety issue - so better as a 2nd or 3rd car. > >> > >> Speaking of the Bolt- my friend had to wait months for it.. it is almost > >> as if they don't really want to sell them. > > > > What is the range, door to door, not the theoretical? > > > > They aren't making many Bolts, likely because they lose money on each one. > > You say they didn't make any money on the Volt and they lose money on > the Bolt, gosh GM sure has made a lot of electric cars for a company not > making money on any of them. How do they stay in business? They don't > get sent Musk-level checks lol > > You talk about range anxiety but that really doesn't extend to the Bolt > because you can't really take it on trips without long charge times. > The term "range anxiety" usually is used for that rather than local > driving where you can easily stop someplace with a level 2 charger to > put enough miles on to get home. But I suppose that depends on where > you live. Here the only charger is a campground with a 14-50 outlet at > $10 for two or three hours. Otherwise I have to drive some 25 miles to > any charger. > > > > I can see the Bolt being used as a second car for sure. But I think with GM's attitude toward them they won't be selling very fast even if they made them faster. GM just doesn't want to be in that business yet. Likely they don't want to play second fiddle to Tesla.. or third to Nissan... or fourth to Jag... Well, you get the idea. > > > > Rick C. > > > > Tesla referral code +- https://ts.la/richard11209 > > > > The technology to make a car like the Model 3 at a 35k price point > didn't exist circa 2007-2008 when the Volt entered design, seems hardly > fair to criticize them for not selling enough of a car they couldn't make!Anecdotally, and I don't know if it's true, one of the main attractions of making electrics and hybrids for US car makers is that it lowers their fleet gas consumption average to help them meet EPA standards, yet they can sell the high-profit gas-guzzling larger vehicles. If those standards are loosened, there is less attraction in selling the electrics. --Spehro Pefhany
