On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 06:38:46 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>s�ndag den 2. december 2018 kl. 15.24.01 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>> > On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>> > >> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution. Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we don't need gas. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
>> > >> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
>> > >> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
>> > >> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
>> > >> their 20s and 30s.
>> > >>
>> > >> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
>> > >> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
>> > >> work too hard! ;)
>> > >
>> > > Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
>> > >
>> > > The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to charge until I'm back here.
>> > >
>> > > The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
>> > >
>> > > Rick C.
>> > >
>> > > Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
>> > >
>> >
>> > There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
>> > miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
>> > they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it out
>> > at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just finding a
>> > similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company may
>> > want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
>> > dealer used car lot at that point.
>>
>> Personally, I've never seen the attraction of a lease. It's like having a car payment, but you don't end up owning anything. I found it very odd that you even have to make a down payment up front! I owned my previous vehicle for 20 years. I would have hated having a lease or car payment all that time!
>
>it only makes sense if you want a new car every couple of years, then it'll
>cost roughly the same either way
You mean the lessors make no money? I find that hard to believe.
The reality is that leases make it so people can drive more car than
they can afford. They make sense for some businesses but *rarely* for
individuals.
Reply by bitrex●December 2, 20182018-12-02
On 12/02/2018 11:15 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 12/2/18 9:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>> søndag den 2. december 2018 kl. 15.24.01 UTC+1 skrev
>> gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
>>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>>>> On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution.
>>>>>>> Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and
>>>>>>> we don't need gas.. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead
>>>>>>> with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving
>>>>>>> gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the
>>>>>>> time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while.
>>>>>>> Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging
>>>>>>> at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
>>>>>> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every
>>>>>> three
>>>>>> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm
>>>>>> _working_
>>>>>> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most
>>>>>> people in
>>>>>> their 20s and 30s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
>>>>>> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try
>>>>>> not to
>>>>>> work too hard! ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in
>>>>> more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes
>>>>> this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with
>>>>> no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with
>>>>> a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about
>>>>> in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120
>>>>> volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very
>>>>> convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't
>>>>> drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but
>>>>> now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes
>>>>> each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need
>>>>> to charge until I'm back here.
>>>>>
>>>>> The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or
>>>>> twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10
>>>>> miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the
>>>>> charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts
>>>>> soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full
>>>>> range.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick C.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
>>>> miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
>>>> they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it
>>>> out
>>>> at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just
>>>> finding a
>>>> similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company
>>>> may
>>>> want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
>>>> dealer used car lot at that point.
>>>
>>> Personally, I've never seen the attraction of a lease. It's like
>>> having a car payment, but you don't end up owning anything. I found
>>> it very odd that you even have to make a down payment up front! I
>>> owned my previous vehicle for 20 years. I would have hated having a
>>> lease or car payment all that time!
>>
>> it only makes sense if you want a new car every couple of years, then
>> it'll
>> cost roughly the same either way
>>
>>
>>
> It makes more sense if you like cars that happen to be extremely
> expensive to repair, e.g. BMWs or Mercedes. That way you're always
> under warranty.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
>
It's the only way for a lot of younger drivers to drive a modern car
with modern safety features; used cars hold their value better than they
once did. Any decent "creampuff" say 4-5 years old with any amount of
comprehensive warranty left on it is going to be around 10-12k minimum;
used car financing is also not a particularly good value and most people
in their 20s and 30s don't have 10-12k of their (own) money just sitting
around for an outright purchase like that, it's going out for rent and
health insurance and student debt and utilities and...
Even for someone like my girl friend making 55k/year in a white collar
job car "ownership" is just a set of least-worst options, they're money
pits.
A single good-quality replacement tire is $200 parts + labor all it
takes is one misplaced nail out there on the road somewhere to blow a
month's food budget.
Some financial commentator on CNBC maybe it was going on about how an
average 28 y/o should have an emergency expense account of between 10
and 30 thousand dollars. Ha ha ha who "emergency" fund is that, Donald
Trumps? talk about out-of-touch
Reply by Phil Hobbs●December 2, 20182018-12-02
On 12/2/18 9:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> søndag den 2. december 2018 kl. 15.24.01 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution. Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we don't need gas.. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
>>>>> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
>>>>> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
>>>>> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
>>>>> their 20s and 30s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
>>>>> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
>>>>> work too hard! ;)
>>>>
>>>> Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
>>>>
>>>> The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to charge until I'm back here.
>>>>
>>>> The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
>>>>
>>>> Rick C.
>>>>
>>>> Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
>>>>
>>>
>>> There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
>>> miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
>>> they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it out
>>> at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just finding a
>>> similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company may
>>> want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
>>> dealer used car lot at that point.
>>
>> Personally, I've never seen the attraction of a lease. It's like having a car payment, but you don't end up owning anything. I found it very odd that you even have to make a down payment up front! I owned my previous vehicle for 20 years. I would have hated having a lease or car payment all that time!
>
> it only makes sense if you want a new car every couple of years, then it'll
> cost roughly the same either way
>
>
>
It makes more sense if you like cars that happen to be extremely
expensive to repair, e.g. BMWs or Mercedes. That way you're always
under warranty.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.nethttp://hobbs-eo.com
Reply by bitrex●December 2, 20182018-12-02
On 12/02/2018 09:23 AM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>> On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>>>> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution. Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we don't need gas. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
>>>> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
>>>> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
>>>> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
>>>> their 20s and 30s.
>>>>
>>>> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
>>>> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
>>>> work too hard! ;)
>>>
>>> Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
>>>
>>> The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to charge until I'm back here.
>>>
>>> The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
>>>
>>> Rick C.
>>>
>>> Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
>>>
>>
>> There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
>> miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
>> they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it out
>> at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just finding a
>> similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company may
>> want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
>> dealer used car lot at that point.
>
> Personally, I've never seen the attraction of a lease. It's like having a car payment, but you don't end up owning anything. I found it very odd that you even have to make a down payment up front! I owned my previous vehicle for 20 years. I would have hated > >having a lease or car payment all that time!
New car prices have outstripped real wage growth and inflation by a
large amount in the past 20 years. New car ownership is annoying now
it's not really a good asset it's just endlessly-depreciating rust. I
didn't have the money to plunk down $35k on my first Volt when I was 35
where the hell am I gonna get 35 grand?! Or $550/month or whatever a
financing arrangement will run someone with relatively limited credit
history.
I have more money now and I prefer it mostly stay in things that have a
chance of appreciating like real estate, or the bank at the very least.
The old saying was that if it "flies, fucks, or floats" it's better to
rent and I'd say you can add "drives" to that list in many cases.
Reply by bitrex●December 2, 20182018-12-02
On 12/02/2018 09:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> søndag den 2. december 2018 kl. 15.24.01 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution. Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we don't need gas. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
>>>>> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
>>>>> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
>>>>> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
>>>>> their 20s and 30s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
>>>>> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
>>>>> work too hard! ;)
>>>>
>>>> Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
>>>>
>>>> The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to charge until I'm back here.
>>>>
>>>> The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
>>>>
>>>> Rick C.
>>>>
>>>> Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
>>>>
>>>
>>> There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
>>> miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
>>> they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it out
>>> at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just finding a
>>> similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company may
>>> want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
>>> dealer used car lot at that point.
>>
>> Personally, I've never seen the attraction of a lease. It's like having a car payment, but you don't end up owning anything. I found it very odd that you even have to make a down payment up front! I owned my previous vehicle for 20 years. I would have hated having a lease or car payment all that time!
>
> it only makes sense if you want a new car every couple of years, then it'll
> cost roughly the same either way
>
My lease payment is around $220/month, capitalized cost on the car was
around 26k.
Drive about 1,200 miles/month at a total fuel cost of about $20 monthly
gas + charge (charge is often "free.") Down payment is covered by the
$2500 incentive check I got from the MA state government with about
$1500 left over to pay off three years of excise tax. My insurance
(comprehensive 100,000k/300,000k, $500 deductible, no deductible on
glass, rental coverage, $25,000 payment if you have to be hospitalized
for any amount of time) is around $50/month but I prepay so get a 15%
discount on that.
It's about the lowest cost-to-operate long term rental you can get,
there are people with cable TV bills larger than that.
Reply by Lasse Langwadt Christensen●December 2, 20182018-12-02
søndag den 2. december 2018 kl. 15.24.01 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
> > On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
> > >> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution. Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we don't need gas. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
> > >> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
> > >> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
> > >> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
> > >> their 20s and 30s.
> > >>
> > >> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
> > >> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
> > >> work too hard! ;)
> > >
> > > Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
> > >
> > > The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to charge until I'm back here.
> > >
> > > The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
> > >
> > > Rick C.
> > >
> > > Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
> > >
> >
> > There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
> > miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
> > they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it out
> > at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just finding a
> > similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company may
> > want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
> > dealer used car lot at that point.
>
> Personally, I've never seen the attraction of a lease. It's like having a car payment, but you don't end up owning anything. I found it very odd that you even have to make a down payment up front! I owned my previous vehicle for 20 years. I would have hated having a lease or car payment all that time!
it only makes sense if you want a new car every couple of years, then it'll
cost roughly the same either way
Reply by ●December 2, 20182018-12-02
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
> On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
> >> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution. Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we don't need gas. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
> >> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
> >> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
> >> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
> >> their 20s and 30s.
> >>
> >> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
> >> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
> >> work too hard! ;)
> >
> > Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
> >
> > The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to charge until I'm back here.
> >
> > The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
> >
> > Rick C.
> >
> > Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
> >
>
> There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
> miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
> they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it out
> at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just finding a
> similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company may
> want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
> dealer used car lot at that point.
Personally, I've never seen the attraction of a lease. It's like having a car payment, but you don't end up owning anything. I found it very odd that you even have to make a down payment up front! I owned my previous vehicle for 20 years. I would have hated having a lease or car payment all that time!
> I prefer sedans I'm not particularly interested in the Bolt, I'll also
> check out what Model 3 prices are doing at that point and if I can lease
> a base 3 at that point off at around 35k cap cost it'll be a no-brainer,
> supercharging ability was never a primary concern for me but it's a nice
> feature.
Compared to a Volt, Supercharging is no advantage. Compared to a Bolt it is the difference between being able to make trips practically or not. I see Teslas on the highway often. I've yet to see a single Bolt at all. Heck, I've asked around and can't even find them at the dealerships, but that is a different issue, a total lack of interest on the part of GM. Many Chevy dealers can't even service them.
> My SO lives and works in Rhode Island the Volt is a perfect car for that
> state, maybe I leave it there. it's only about 50 miles across at its
> widest! It would fit inside the Houston metro area.
I didn't realize that if you lived in Rhode Island you weren't allowed to drive outside the state. Yeah, RI seems the perfect place to have a Volt then, or a Leaf or any of the short range BEVs.
Rick C.
Tesla referral code ---+ https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by bitrex●December 1, 20182018-12-01
On 12/01/2018 10:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution.
>>>> Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we
>>>> don't need gas. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with
>>>> the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car
>>>> in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We
>>>> should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we
>>>> need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue
>>>> spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
>>> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
>>> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
>>> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
>>> their 20s and 30s.
>>>
>>> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
>>> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
>>> work too hard! ;)
>>
>> Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more
>> than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this
>> way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good
>> charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new
>> charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the
>> middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But
>> when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient.
>> Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at
>> the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has
>> set in, the range is a bit reduced.
>>
>> The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each
>> way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to
>> charge until I'm back here.
>>
>> The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice
>> to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in
>> a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from
>> the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can
>> precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
>>
>> Rick C.
>>
>> Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
>>
>
> There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
> miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
> they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it out
> at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just finding a
> similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company may
> want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
> dealer used car lot at that point.
>
> I prefer sedans I'm not particularly interested in the Bolt, I'll also
> check out what Model 3 prices are doing at that point and if I can lease
> a base 3 at that point off
off a lot, rather
Reply by bitrex●December 1, 20182018-12-01
On 12/01/2018 08:43 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
>> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution. Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we don't need gas. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
>>>
>>
>> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
>> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
>> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
>> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
>> their 20s and 30s.
>>
>> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
>> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
>> work too hard! ;)
>
> Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
>
> The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to charge until I'm back here.
>
> The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
>
> Rick C.
>
> Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209
>
There's about 14 months left on my Volt lease, it'll be at around 40k
miles at that point. Since it'll be a discontinued model I'll see if
they want to make a deal on recalculating the residual and buying it out
at that point. A lot of times you don't save anything vs. just finding a
similar used one on the open market but I figure the leasing company may
want to move it to a current owner rather than try to sell it off on a
dealer used car lot at that point.
I prefer sedans I'm not particularly interested in the Bolt, I'll also
check out what Model 3 prices are doing at that point and if I can lease
a base 3 at that point off at around 35k cap cost it'll be a no-brainer,
supercharging ability was never a primary concern for me but it's a nice
feature.
My SO lives and works in Rhode Island the Volt is a perfect car for that
state, maybe I leave it there. it's only about 50 miles across at its
widest! It would fit inside the Houston metro area.
Reply by ●December 1, 20182018-12-01
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
> On 12/01/2018 06:27 PM, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
> > Volt, Prius and other hybrids are just short term solution. Eventually, there will be charging stations at every corner and we don't need gas. GM is looking to the future and moving ahead with the Bolt. Right now, driving range bound EV is like driving gas car in the 1800s, desperately seeking recharging all the time. We should force all politians to drive an EV for a while. Perhaps we need an AEA (American with EV Act) and demand charging at every blue spot. I feel handicapped with an EV now.
> >
>
> I charge mine at my home and at the Starbucks down the street,
> sometimes. I go further than ~50 miles from home maybe once every three
> months when precisely would I have time to do otherwise? I'm _working_
> 55 hours a week and I have to sleep sometimes, too! Like most people in
> their 20s and 30s.
>
> Where y'all going so often that you need ~200 miles of range off a
> single charge or you feel put upon? Another golf trip? Gosh, try not to
> work too hard! ;)
Actually work has been intruding on my personal life. I live in more than one place. I travel between them every week. Sometimes this way, sometimes that way. The short trip is 120 each way with no good charging anywhere along the route. That will end soon with a new charger going in shortly, but not at the destination, about in the middle. I'm good charging here for several days off 120 volts. But when at the other end there's just nothing very convenient. Superchargers are ok, but 25 miles away. If I don't drive too much at the other end I'm ok to make it a round trip, but now that winter has set in, the range is a bit reduced.
The new Supercharger will be great. I can hit it for 10 minutes each way and add 100 miles to the 250 I normally have and not need to charge until I'm back here.
The long trips are like any other trip. I have to stop once or twice to charge. One location has a Supercharger less than 10 miles away in a mall. The other is a bit remote like here and the charging is from the house. That's ok. I expect to have 240 volts soon so I can precondition the battery before I leave and get full range.
Rick C.
Tesla referral code ---- https://ts.la/richard11209