On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:25:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>John Larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> josephkk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>>>> I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>>> conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>>>> No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>>> 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>>> save, now. >>>> Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. >>> It causes crashes. >> >> >> Oh. >> > >Yep. Found that out the hard way. Now that I have set auto-backup to 300 >minutes (essentially meaning never because by then I am on the next >schematic) the number of crashes is lower. I also learned to smell >wooziness and do a quick shut-down. For example when placed probes >refuse to turn from gray to some bonbon color.I've heard mostly horror stories about Orcad. The only thing I've ever used it for, long ago, was schematic entry for FPGA design. It seemed to me to be a horror. Sometimes wires would actually enter connection dots but be a few pixels short of completing the connection. They managed to automate the cold solder joint! PADS just doesn't allow unconnected wire ends. Maybe all the connection-dot whiners here still are using Orcad. Or diazo machines. John
Stability of older Orcad/PSpice combos?
Started by ●April 24, 2011
Reply by ●April 28, 20112011-04-28
Reply by ●April 28, 20112011-04-28
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:25:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>John Larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> josephkk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>>>> I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>>> conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>>>> No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>>> 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>>> save, now. >>>> Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. >>> It causes crashes. >> >> >> Oh. >> > >Yep. Found that out the hard way. Now that I have set auto-backup to 300 >minutes (essentially meaning never because by then I am on the next >schematic) the number of crashes is lower. I also learned to smell >wooziness and do a quick shut-down. For example when placed probes >refuse to turn from gray to some bonbon color.I hope you're backing up to other media. Your ass is about to be grass ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed
Reply by ●April 28, 20112011-04-28
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:13:03 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:25:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >wrote: > >>John Larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin >>>> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> josephkk wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>>>>> I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>>>> conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>>>>> No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>>>> 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>>>> save, now. >>>>> Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. >>>> It causes crashes. >>> >>> >>> Oh. >>> >> >>Yep. Found that out the hard way. Now that I have set auto-backup to 300 >>minutes (essentially meaning never because by then I am on the next >>schematic) the number of crashes is lower. I also learned to smell >>wooziness and do a quick shut-down. For example when placed probes >>refuse to turn from gray to some bonbon color. > >I've heard mostly horror stories about Orcad. The only thing I've ever >used it for, long ago, was schematic entry for FPGA design. It seemed >to me to be a horror. Sometimes wires would actually enter connection >dots but be a few pixels short of completing the connection. They >managed to automate the cold solder joint!--- More than likely, that error was caused by running off-grid, which was pilot error due to inexperience with, or contempt for, the tool. Running on-grid guaranteed snaps at 0.1" intervals, while they were at 0.01" intervals running off-grid and OrCAD was fussy about not connecting lines that didn't meet. --->PADS just doesn't allow unconnected wire ends. Maybe all the >connection-dot whiners here still are using Orcad. Or diazo machines. > >John--- I know one who still is, even though he denounces technical anachronisms, yet practices them since he owned up to owning (and operating) a diazo machine, a Berol pencil, and drafting vellum. Since he doesn't draw with ink, I'm sure there's also an erasing machine and eraser strips in there, somewhere. Interesting dichotomy, yes? -- JF
Reply by ●April 28, 20112011-04-28
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:13:41 -0500, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:13:03 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >[snip]>> >>I've heard mostly horror stories about Orcad. The only thing I've ever >>used it for, long ago, was schematic entry for FPGA design. It seemed >>to me to be a horror. Sometimes wires would actually enter connection >>dots but be a few pixels short of completing the connection. They >>managed to automate the cold solder joint! > >--- >More than likely, that error was caused by running off-grid, which was >pilot error due to inexperience with, or contempt for, the tool.Horrors! You mean Larkin has no clue about "snap-to-grid" ?:-)> >Running on-grid guaranteed snaps at 0.1" intervals, while they were at >0.01" intervals running off-grid and OrCAD was fussy about not >connecting lines that didn't meet. >--- > >>PADS just doesn't allow unconnected wire ends. Maybe all the >>connection-dot whiners here still are using Orcad. Or diazo machines. >> >>John > >--- >I know one who still is, even though he denounces technical >anachronisms, yet practices them since he owned up to owning (and >operating) a diazo machine, a Berol pencil, and drafting vellum. > >Since he doesn't draw with ink, I'm sure there's also an erasing >machine and eraser strips in there, somewhere. > >Interesting dichotomy, yes? >Sno-o-o-ort! ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:13:41 -0500, John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:13:03 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:25:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >>wrote: >> >>>John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin >>>>> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> josephkk wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>>>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>>>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>>>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>>>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>>>>>> I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>>>>> conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>>>>>> No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>>>>> 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>>>>> save, now. >>>>>> Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. >>>>> It causes crashes. >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh. >>>> >>> >>>Yep. Found that out the hard way. Now that I have set auto-backup to 300 >>>minutes (essentially meaning never because by then I am on the next >>>schematic) the number of crashes is lower. I also learned to smell >>>wooziness and do a quick shut-down. For example when placed probes >>>refuse to turn from gray to some bonbon color. >> >>I've heard mostly horror stories about Orcad. The only thing I've ever >>used it for, long ago, was schematic entry for FPGA design. It seemed >>to me to be a horror. Sometimes wires would actually enter connection >>dots but be a few pixels short of completing the connection. They >>managed to automate the cold solder joint! > >--- >More than likely, that error was caused by running off-grid, which was >pilot error due to inexperience with, or contempt for, the tool.I absolutely have contempt for a schematic entry program that allows things that are visually connected to be not really connected. And for tools that crash, and crash more if you enable auto-backup. PADS does neither.> >Running on-grid guaranteed snaps at 0.1" intervals, while they were at >0.01" intervals running off-grid and OrCAD was fussy about not >connecting lines that didn't meet. >--- > >>PADS just doesn't allow unconnected wire ends. Maybe all the >>connection-dot whiners here still are using Orcad. Or diazo machines. >> >>John > >--- >I know one who still is, even though he denounces technical >anachronisms, yet practices them since he owned up to owning (and >operating) a diazo machine, a Berol pencil, and drafting vellum. > >Since he doesn't draw with ink, I'm sure there's also an erasing >machine and eraser strips in there, somewhere. > >Interesting dichotomy, yes? >I do what I enjoy, not what anybody tells me to do. I like to draw, so I do it. Sue me. Old office: ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Auto.jpg New, office, with lighthouse: ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/RainyDay.jpg Two lighthouses, actually. How do you feel about upside-down grounds? - --- ----- | | | | Or a connection that looks like ------------o /|\ / | \ / | \ | | | | | | | | | ? John
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:29:58 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:13:41 -0500, John Fields ><jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:13:03 -0700, John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >[snip] >>> >>>I've heard mostly horror stories about Orcad. The only thing I've ever >>>used it for, long ago, was schematic entry for FPGA design. It seemed >>>to me to be a horror. Sometimes wires would actually enter connection >>>dots but be a few pixels short of completing the connection. They >>>managed to automate the cold solder joint! >> >>--- >>More than likely, that error was caused by running off-grid, which was >>pilot error due to inexperience with, or contempt for, the tool. > >Horrors! You mean Larkin has no clue about "snap-to-grid" ?:-)--- From his diatribe, apparently he didn't, back then. But, from his more recent "contributions", I think we (me, anyway) must conclude that he was an ignorant newbie back then and, to his credit, took advantage of opportunities which came up which he used to bolster his position as a solution finder, and that's where he is today. --->>Running on-grid guaranteed snaps at 0.1" intervals, while they were at >>0.01" intervals running off-grid and OrCAD was fussy about not >>connecting lines that didn't meet. >>--- >> >>>PADS just doesn't allow unconnected wire ends. Maybe all the >>>connection-dot whiners here still are using Orcad. Or diazo machines. >>> >>>John >> >>--- >>I know one who still is, even though he denounces technical >>anachronisms, yet practices them since he owned up to owning (and >>operating) a diazo machine, a Berol pencil, and drafting vellum. >> >>Since he doesn't draw with ink, I'm sure there's also an erasing >>machine and eraser strips in there, somewhere. >> >>Interesting dichotomy, yes? >> > >Sno-o-o-ort! > > ...Jim Thompson-- JF
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On 4/28/2011 5:59 PM, John Larkin wrote: I know you didn't ask *me*, but...> > How do you feel about upside-down grounds? > > > - > --- > ----- > | > | > | > | >I'd rather have the usual kind, but I don't have a problem with this one. In fact, I'd prefer it to one that has one or two 90 degree bends in the connecting wire.> > Or a connection that looks like > > > ------------o > /|\ > / | \ > / | \ > | | | > | | | > | | | > > > ?I used connections similar to this on my schematics to emphasize that the wires need to be connected at one and only one point, usually to a ground lug. The technician building the gear knew exactly what I wanted and he knew I would inspect for it.> John >John
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:59:13 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:13:41 -0500, John Fields ><jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:13:03 -0700, John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:25:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin >>>>>> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>>>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> josephkk wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>>>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>>>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>>>>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>>>>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>>>>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>>>>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>>>>>>> I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>>>>>> conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>>>>>>> No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>>>>>> 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>>>>>> save, now. >>>>>>> Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. >>>>>> It causes crashes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Yep. Found that out the hard way. Now that I have set auto-backup to 300 >>>>minutes (essentially meaning never because by then I am on the next >>>>schematic) the number of crashes is lower. I also learned to smell >>>>wooziness and do a quick shut-down. For example when placed probes >>>>refuse to turn from gray to some bonbon color. >>> >>>I've heard mostly horror stories about Orcad. The only thing I've ever >>>used it for, long ago, was schematic entry for FPGA design. It seemed >>>to me to be a horror. Sometimes wires would actually enter connection >>>dots but be a few pixels short of completing the connection. They >>>managed to automate the cold solder joint! >> >>--- >>More than likely, that error was caused by running off-grid, which was >>pilot error due to inexperience with, or contempt for, the tool. > >I absolutely have contempt for a schematic entry program that allows >things that are visually connected to be not really connected.I don't like connection-by-netname, either, but I've been known to do it (local power is one reason).>And for >tools that crash, and crash more if you enable auto-backup. PADS does >neither.Some of us don't get to choose our tools.>>Running on-grid guaranteed snaps at 0.1" intervals, while they were at >>0.01" intervals running off-grid and OrCAD was fussy about not >>connecting lines that didn't meet. >>--- >> >>>PADS just doesn't allow unconnected wire ends. Maybe all the >>>connection-dot whiners here still are using Orcad. Or diazo machines. >>> >>>John >> >>--- >>I know one who still is, even though he denounces technical >>anachronisms, yet practices them since he owned up to owning (and >>operating) a diazo machine, a Berol pencil, and drafting vellum. >> >>Since he doesn't draw with ink, I'm sure there's also an erasing >>machine and eraser strips in there, somewhere. >> >>Interesting dichotomy, yes? >> > >I do what I enjoy, not what anybody tells me to do. I like to draw, so >I do it. Sue me. > >Old office: > >ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Auto.jpg > >New, office, with lighthouse: > >ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/RainyDay.jpg > >Two lighthouses, actually. > > > >How do you feel about upside-down grounds? > > > - > --- > ----- > | > | > | > | >They look too much like antennas. I don't much like upside-down power bars either, but bending a wire around to a negative power supply isn't any prettier.> >Or a connection that looks like > > >------------o > /|\ > / | \ > / | \ > | | | > | | | > | | |If that suggest reality, I have no issue with it. Some don't like angled signals, at all, but often it makes a lot of sense (cross-coupling and bridge structures, come to mind). If I can suggest a physical property in the schematic by drawing something unusual, I'll do it.
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Jim Thompson wrote:> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:25:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> John Larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin >>>> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> josephkk wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>>>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>>>>> I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>>>> conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>>>>> No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>>>> 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>>>> save, now. >>>>> Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. >>>> It causes crashes. >>> >>> Oh. >>> >> Yep. Found that out the hard way. Now that I have set auto-backup to 300 >> minutes (essentially meaning never because by then I am on the next >> schematic) the number of crashes is lower. I also learned to smell >> wooziness and do a quick shut-down. For example when placed probes >> refuse to turn from gray to some bonbon color. > > I hope you're backing up to other media. ...Oh yeah, three different media. With Orcad me no take no chances no more :-)> ... Your ass is about to be grass ;-) >What, you had that turning gray of probe pins happen, too? I got a chuckle out of the "smoke parameters". But it doesn't have a BANG device. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:55:56 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:25:28 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin >>>>> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>>>>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> josephkk wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>>>>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>>>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>>>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>>>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>>>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>>>>>> I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>>>>> conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>>>>>> No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>>>>> 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>>>>> save, now. >>>>>> Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. >>>>> It causes crashes. >>>> >>>> Oh. >>>> >>> Yep. Found that out the hard way. Now that I have set auto-backup to 300 >>> minutes (essentially meaning never because by then I am on the next >>> schematic) the number of crashes is lower. I also learned to smell >>> wooziness and do a quick shut-down. For example when placed probes >>> refuse to turn from gray to some bonbon color. >> >> I hope you're backing up to other media. ... > > >Oh yeah, three different media. With Orcad me no take no chances no more :-) > > >> ... Your ass is about to be grass ;-) >> > >What, you had that turning gray of probe pins happen, too?No, Remember I don't use Crapture, but can convert my schematics to Crapture upon request... without ever opening Crapture ;-)> >I got a chuckle out of the "smoke parameters". But it doesn't have a >BANG device....Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed
