Jim Thompson wrote:> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:44:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> > wrote: > > [snip] >> If I need to do more of these jobs I'll probably get PSpice Schematics. > > There are free copies in circulation. Take it for a spin. >Have to look for one later. Right now I must run one sim after the other to make up for the time these crashes have cost. But I must say that I like LTSpice a lot better than PSpice. The only downside is that some IC models appear to be vendor-locked (only PSpice models and not ASCII) and that there is no integration between LTSpice and my CAD. This can easily cause a transcription error in the schematic. Then again, the sheer speed of LTSpice makes up for all that. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Stability of older Orcad/PSpice combos?
Started by ●April 24, 2011
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:09:36 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:44:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >> [snip] >>> If I need to do more of these jobs I'll probably get PSpice Schematics. >> >> There are free copies in circulation. Take it for a spin. >> > >Have to look for one later. Right now I must run one sim after the other >to make up for the time these crashes have cost. > >But I must say that I like LTSpice a lot better than PSpice. The only >downside is that some IC models appear to be vendor-locked (only PSpice >models and not ASCII) and that there is no integration between LTSpice >and my CAD. This can easily cause a transcription error in the >schematic. Then again, the sheer speed of LTSpice makes up for all that.LTspice _is_ fast! But ugly schematics and ugly for presentation-grade simulation results. (Customers like easy to understand graphics.) So I draw in PSpice Schematics, run fast trials in LTspice (simply by importing .cir and .net files), then run in PSpice Probe for my presentation PDF's and slides. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> = wrote:>josephkk wrote: > >[...] > >> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL =hell. I>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or =Linux.>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. > > >Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation.I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat.
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>josephkk wrote: >> >>[...] >> >>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >> >> >>Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. > >I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat.IIRC, Joerg had Acrobat problems before OrCAD. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>josephkk wrote: >> >>[...] >> >>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >> >> >>Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. > >I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat.No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a save, now.
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >wrote: > >>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>josephkk wrote: >>> >>>[...] >>> >>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>> >>> >>>Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >> >>I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. > >No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >save, now.Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. John
Reply by ●April 28, 20112011-04-28
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" ><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>josephkk wrote: >>>> >>>>[...] >>>> >>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>> >>>> >>>>Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>> >>>I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >> >>No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>save, now. > >Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does.It causes crashes.
Reply by ●April 28, 20112011-04-28
Jim Thompson wrote:> > On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> > wrote: > > >josephkk wrote: > > > >[...] > > > >> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I > >> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. > >> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. > > > > > >Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock > >solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software > >and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring > >Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but > >not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. > > How come virtually no one else has these problems? > > You ought to cleanse your whole machine, then reinstall everything. > > But you won't :-(Then he wouldn't have ANYTHING to bitch about. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid� on it, because it's Teflon coated.
Reply by ●April 28, 20112011-04-28
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>josephkk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>[...] >>>>> >>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>> >>>>I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>> >>>No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>save, now. >> >>Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. > >It causes crashes.Oh. John
Reply by ●April 28, 20112011-04-28
John Larkin wrote:> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:51:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" > <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:06:50 -0700, John Larkin >> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:00:29 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:22:09 -0700, josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> josephkk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>>>> I should think that's obvious. Neither Foxit nor Eagle have DLLs with >>>>> conflicts. In fact, this points to conflicts between Orcad and Acrobat. >>>> No Acrobat, here, and I can get OrCAD crashes quite consistently. Fewer with >>>> 16.3 than 15.7 but it'll still crash. When it does, it's more often without a >>>> save, now. >>> Does it have periodic autosave? PADS does. >> It causes crashes. > > > Oh. >Yep. Found that out the hard way. Now that I have set auto-backup to 300 minutes (essentially meaning never because by then I am on the next schematic) the number of crashes is lower. I also learned to smell wooziness and do a quick shut-down. For example when placed probes refuse to turn from gray to some bonbon color. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
