On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:41:12 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> = wrote:>Grant wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:35:21 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> =wrote:>>=20 >>> krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:15:33 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> =wrote:>>>> >>>>> krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:18:01 -0700, Joerg =<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Folks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On my PC this software crashes often and hard and needs too many >>>>>>> re-installs. It slows down one project to a crawl here and that =needs to>>>>>>> get done. I could use older versions as long as my client can =read the>>>>>>> files into 16.3. Question: >>>>>> He can read older files into 16.3 but you won't be able to read =his at all if>>>>>> you're too many levels back. >>>>>> >>>>>>> In your experience, what was a relatively stable (as in "not many >>>>>>> crashes") version I could try to go back to? The license should =allow a>>>>>>> downgrade. The support server won't let me in right now but I'll =bug>>>>>>> them about that later. >>>>>> Good luck! Stable and OrCAD are mutually exclusive. IOW, you =*can't* go back>>>>>> that far. >>>>>> >>>>> Well, if I just knew how far "that far" is :-) >>>>> >>>>> But of course I don't have too high hopes because I did manage to >>>>> thoroughly crash older version (I believe 9.something) at a client.=They>>>>> weren't too fussed because I wasn't the only one. >>>> FWIW, 16.3 is as good as it gets. ... >>> >>> Dang. I was hoping not to hear that :-( >>=20 >> If you have a fairly powerful computer, install vmware ('server' is=20 >> free, I prefer server 1.xx) and a WinXP guest OS with just enough=20 >> plus the OrCAD application to do your stuff. Avoid vmware's=20 >> networking complexities, use the simple share host network option. >>=20 >> Take a snapshot of the guest OS. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Each time it crashes, revert to that snapshot :) >>=20 > >I have Sun VirtualMachine on here. But Cadence's license model is IMHO >highly complicated and cumbersome, I doubt this would work. > >>=20 >> At least the recycling will be much quicker! Some complex software=20 >> will never be fixed, particularly if the company bought out the=20 >> competition :/ There are some protection settings that rely on a=20 >> modern CPU. >>=20 >> You're sure that PC it runs on is okay? Run MEMtest for at least a=20 >> weekend, you should get zero memory errors. >>=20 > >Had to work on the weekend because of these dreaded crashes, so no time >for the PC to do that. But I doubt there is a problem. There are only >two programs that notoriously crash: Orcad and Acrobat, and Acrobat got >kicked out which solved that problem. Dozens of other software companies >whose SW is on this PC must have done something right because theirs >does not crash ;-)Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. = I do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well.
Stability of older Orcad/PSpice combos?
Started by ●April 24, 2011
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
Michael A. Terrell wrote:> Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:34:22 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>>>>>> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> There is only on directory that holds the software. Whenever it crashes >>>>>>>>>>> I uninstall, wipe what's possible in that directory (some stuff is rite >>>>>>>>>>> protected for whatever reason). >>>>>>>>>> Is that Mormon or Catholic or Baptist "rite" protected? It'll make >>>>>>>>>> difference :-) >>>>>>>>> I guess he's too stubborn to use the free 'Revo Uninstaller' that I >>>>>>>>> suggested a while back. >>>>>>>> Joerg does tend toward stubborn ;-) >>>>>>> That's an understatement. :( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Revo will let you remove all traces of a program from the hard drive, >>>>>>> including things that are buried in the registry. I use it to clean up >>>>>>> donated computers. Some programs have over 3,000 registry entries that >>>>>>> aren't removed by using the uninstall routine that comes with the >>>>>>> software. You load and run Revo, then click on the program you want to >>>>>>> delete. Click 'Uninstall', and the built in unistaller runs the >>>>>>> program's unistall routine. Then click 'next', and 'delete' as prompted >>>>>>> to clean up the registry and remove empty folders. ... >>>>>> Yup. In my case that would almost be like taking a 9mm and *KABLAM* ... >>>>>> look, dudes, it's clean now! >>>>> Your igonrance is showing. :( >>>>> >>>> No, it's a matter of caution. It is not prudent to hose license files >>>> off the disk. >>> >>> Whatever. It's still a huge waste of time. >>> >> You tend to conclude prematurely without knowing the required details. >> Getting the license manager back up and running with this software can >> be a major waste to time. While my file/directory wipe by hand took, >> what, 60 seconds? > > > Times how many hundred reinstalls? >That's got nothing to do with whether I use Revo or not. That's got to do with the general quality of the code and this is obviously beyond my influence. Although not quite because my complaints have already triggered some redesign there. Too late for me but a good thing for others later. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
josephkk wrote: [...]> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I > do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. > This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well.Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>josephkk wrote: > >[...] > >> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. > > >Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation.How come virtually no one else has these problems? You ought to cleanse your whole machine, then reinstall everything. But you won't :-( ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
Jim Thompson wrote:> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> josephkk wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >> >> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. > > How come virtually no one else has these problems? >Oh they do. I've heard that from many engineers. Just ask Keith about it ;-)> You ought to cleanse your whole machine, then reinstall everything. > > But you won't :-( >No, I won't. Because Cadence support checked it out for about an hour. They said that it was remarkably clean in comparison to what they find on average. This remote diagnostics session had become necessary because there is a recurring licensing discrepancy between the registry and the software. Neither they nor I could figure out why but they showed me a (somewhat ugly) way around it. Obviously I can't be the only one if they knew this registry detour off the top of their heads. Oh, and there's now a fix-it ticket open, triggered by yours truly :-) BTW, I recall you letting off some choice words about this software in this here group ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:11:53 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> josephkk wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>> >>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >> >> How come virtually no one else has these problems? >> > >Oh they do. I've heard that from many engineers. Just ask Keith about it ;-)That's one ;-)> > >> You ought to cleanse your whole machine, then reinstall everything. >> >> But you won't :-( >> > >No, I won't. Because Cadence support checked it out for about an hour. >They said that it was remarkably clean in comparison to what they find >on average. This remote diagnostics session had become necessary because >there is a recurring licensing discrepancy between the registry and the >software. Neither they nor I could figure out why but they showed me a >(somewhat ugly) way around it. Obviously I can't be the only one if they >knew this registry detour off the top of their heads. > >Oh, and there's now a fix-it ticket open, triggered by yours truly :-) > >BTW, I recall you letting off some choice words about this software in >this here group ...Crapture? Certainly! Why do you use it? I already told you how many times that the native PSpice Schematics is marvelous, plus presents a trivial few key clicks to produce a Crapture copy if the client requires. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>josephkk wrote: > >[...] > >> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. > > >Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation.Foxit, CutePDF, Irfanview, PADS sch+pcb, CrimsonEditor, Firefox, Thunderbird, PowerBasic, LT Spice, Appcad, TXline, RFsim99, all seem solid. We wrote our own parts database program. It's in its third iteration now. The same database file has run uncorrupted for about 15 years now. Because it's simple. John
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
Jim Thompson wrote:> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:11:53 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> josephkk wrote: >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>>>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>>>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >>>> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >>>> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >>>> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >>>> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >>>> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. >>> How come virtually no one else has these problems? >>> >> Oh they do. I've heard that from many engineers. Just ask Keith about it ;-) > > That's one ;-) >I know more than one ;-)>> >>> You ought to cleanse your whole machine, then reinstall everything. >>> >>> But you won't :-( >>> >> No, I won't. Because Cadence support checked it out for about an hour. >> They said that it was remarkably clean in comparison to what they find >> on average. This remote diagnostics session had become necessary because >> there is a recurring licensing discrepancy between the registry and the >> software. Neither they nor I could figure out why but they showed me a >> (somewhat ugly) way around it. Obviously I can't be the only one if they >> knew this registry detour off the top of their heads. >> >> Oh, and there's now a fix-it ticket open, triggered by yours truly :-) >> >> BTW, I recall you letting off some choice words about this software in >> this here group ... > > Crapture? Certainly! Why do you use it? I already told you how many > times that the native PSpice Schematics is marvelous, plus presents a > trivial few key clicks to produce a Crapture copy if the client > requires. >Well, right now it hangs on and I only need it for this one job. One trick I learned is not to do things too fast. Such as copying or moving large parts of a schematic. Put square around, shift-click ... one Mississippi ... two Mississippi ... wait until black cat has crossed street ... copy. Else, bad things can happen. It's simulating right now. Kinda slow but humming. Compared to Eagle and LTSpice it feels like I stepped from a Porsche into gramp's 70's Cadillac. Ok, it's BIG :-) If I need to do more of these jobs I'll probably get PSpice Schematics. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
John Larkin wrote:> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:16:51 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> josephkk wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Looking at this again, i suggest that you have some version of DLL hell. I >>> do not have any problems with Acrobat on any machine, Windoes or Linux. >>> This is often the root cause of Flash problems as well. >> >> Why is Foxit stable then and Acrobat isn't? And Cadsoft Eagle is rock >> solid and Orcad isn't? No matter how impatient I am (and with software >> and GUIs I am not the most patient guy) I have not managed to bring >> Eagle to crash on me. I can bring Foxit to choke and huff and puff, but >> not really into a CTRL-ALT-DEL situation. > > Foxit, CutePDF, Irfanview, PADS sch+pcb, CrimsonEditor, Firefox, > Thunderbird, PowerBasic, LT Spice, Appcad, TXline, RFsim99, all seem > solid. >Even the open source stuff such as gEDA (I ran that under Linux though, on this same PC) and Kicad never crashed on me. I gave both a pretty good run but decided they aren't for me, for other reasons. I guess from a complexity POV Mathcad compares well to CAD software in terms of complexity. My only gripe with it is its cost, stability is no problem.> We wrote our own parts database program. It's in its third iteration > now. The same database file has run uncorrupted for about 15 years > now. Because it's simple. >Yep. Simplicity is why I use MS-Works for databases. But anything after version 6.0 seems buggy to me, probably they added too much fluff into it. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Reply by ●April 27, 20112011-04-27
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:44:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: [snip]> >If I need to do more of these jobs I'll probably get PSpice Schematics.There are free copies in circulation. Take it for a spin. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed
