https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook It's probably not a good idea to buy a Tesla in a place that gets below 0F. Some day a Tesla will freeze up and kill some people, with legal consequences.
frozen Teslas
Started by ●January 16, 2024
Reply by ●January 16, 20242024-01-16
The idiot John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:> Path: not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:53:34 +0000 > From: John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Subject: frozen Teslas > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:52:30 -0800 > Organization: Highland Tech > Reply-To: xx@yy.com > Message-ID: <ntcdqitb6p6h0gnip4c69e0crcld3rlseu@4ax.com> > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lines: 8 > X-Trace: sv3-1cIrS+eUWZli9zyijrraB47rTpVL3BnEdxxnPWlzqATNd+ot5MVhFm21akem5HcMu3vthm56/dkk77K!lGuOEyrmBlIL1BZjYFr7ml81dl760o+q/E3/RuCFqa4io2BBnjY0c7ZG5wjBe+v+cQXa5ArzLAHd!i+XwcQ== > X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html > X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 > X-Received-Bytes: 1406
Reply by ●January 16, 20242024-01-16
John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> Wrote in message:r> https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brookIt's probably not a good idea to buy a Tesla in a place that getsbelow 0F.Some day a Tesla will freeze up and kill some people, with legalconsequences.Nimh are better at low temps, I wonder if the Prius has issues. Cheers -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html
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The arsehole Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:> Path: not-for-mail > From: Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Subject: Re:frozen Teslas > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 15:31:29 -0500 (EST) > Organization: news.eternal-september.org > Lines: 11 > Message-ID: <uo6p32$1jo3b$1@dont-email.me> > References: <ntcdqitb6p6h0gnip4c69e0crcld3rlseu@4ax.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 20:31:30 -0000 (UTC) > Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2e9d177e1c55c0e6ff4d33c154a4d904"; > logging-data="1695851"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1//AtdIz7vVlulYGKuC+cYY" > Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZF2CmiHlp4sp3FhkFgqhudLJPwg= > X-Newsreader: PiaoHong.Usenet.Client.Free:2.02 > X-Received-Bytes: 1389
Reply by ●January 16, 20242024-01-16
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 15:31:29 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:>John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> Wrote in message:r >> https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brookIt's probably not a good idea to buy a Tesla in a place that getsbelow 0F.Some day a Tesla will freeze up and kill some people, with legalconsequences. > >Nimh are better at low temps, I wonder if the Prius has issues. > >CheersIt has a gasoline engine! I wonder how the battery precondition (preheat) thing works. How long does it take? How much battery energy does it use? It would be crazy if you have to precondition the battery before you can charge it in super cold weather, but you don't have enough energy available to precondition (or to run the heater while you're waiting, or to drive two blocks to the charging station.)
Reply by ●January 16, 20242024-01-16
On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 3:53:51 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:> https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook > > It's probably not a good idea to buy a Tesla in a place that gets > below 0F. > > Some day a Tesla will freeze up and kill some people, with legal > consequences.If you read all the way through the article, which John Larkin seems to have neglected to do. ""Like any new technology, there’s a learning curve for people," said Mark Bilek of the Chicago Auto Trade Association. Bilek said all EVs can have problems dealing with extreme cold, and drivers need to hit their preconditioning button before they charge their battery. "It’s not plug and go. You have to precondition the battery, meaning that you have to get the battery up to the optimal temperature to accept a fast charge," said Bilek." Tesla does seem to have anticipated the problem, but not every Tesla driver seems to have got the message. Fools will always find a way to screw up. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●January 16, 20242024-01-16
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Reply by ●January 16, 20242024-01-16
The idiot Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:> X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2aa4:b0:681:7d42:cb8a with SMTP id js4-20020a0562142aa400b006817d42cb8amr27309qvb.7.1705460071364; > Tue, 16 Jan 2024 18:54:31 -0800 (PST) > X-Received: by 2002:a81:6246:0:b0:5f8:b9b8:b120 with SMTP id > w67-20020a816246000000b005f8b9b8b120mr4280245ywb.2.1705460070597; Tue, 16 Jan > 2024 18:54:30 -0800 (PST) > Path: not-for-mail > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 18:54:30 -0800 (PST) > In-Reply-To: <ntcdqitb6p6h0gnip4c69e0crcld3rlseu@4ax.com> > Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.102.83.245; posting-account=SJ46pgoAAABuUDuHc5uDiXN30ATE-zi- > NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.102.83.245 > References: <ntcdqitb6p6h0gnip4c69e0crcld3rlseu@4ax.com> > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-ID: <142ef7a8-cafb-417d-a87d-d5ac63ee99b1n@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: frozen Teslas > From: Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> > Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 02:54:31 +0000 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-Received-Bytes: 2403
Reply by ●January 17, 20242024-01-17
On 17/01/2024 11:44 am, John Larkin wrote:> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 15:31:29 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid > <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote: > >> John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> Wrote in message:r >>> https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brookIt's probably not a good idea to buy a Tesla in a place that getsbelow 0F.Some day a Tesla will freeze up and kill some people, with legalconsequences. >> >> Nimh are better at low temps, I wonder if the Prius has issues. >> >> Cheers > > It has a gasoline engine! > > I wonder how the battery precondition (preheat) thing works. How long > does it take? How much battery energy does it use? > > It would be crazy if you have to precondition the battery before you > can charge it in super cold weather, but you don't have enough energy > available to precondition (or to run the heater while you're waiting, > or to drive two blocks to the charging station.)Not crazy,just inconvenient. The article talks about having to tow a too-cold Tesla to a garage, which is also the sort of thing that can happen to a gasoline-powered car if somebody forget about the antifreeze. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●January 17, 20242024-01-17
On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:44:19 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:>On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 15:31:29 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid ><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote: > >>John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> Wrote in message:r >>> https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brookIt's probably not a good idea to buy a Tesla in a place that getsbelow 0F.Some day a Tesla will freeze up and kill some people, with legalconsequences. >> >>Nimh are better at low temps, I wonder if the Prius has issues. >> >>Cheers > >It has a gasoline engine! > >I wonder how the battery precondition (preheat) thing works. How long >does it take? How much battery energy does it use? > >It would be crazy if you have to precondition the battery before you >can charge it in super cold weather, but you don't have enough energy >available to precondition (or to run the heater while you're waiting, >or to drive two blocks to the charging station.)Most North American cars above the 48th parallel are equiped with plug-in block heaters to maintain engine temperatures in cold weather. This ensures that lubrication and cooling system components don't prevent cranking and startup. Battery blankets are also a real thing. They're powered by dedicated 3pin line cords, plugged into 120vac distribution. You'll see AC outlets in parking lots and garages, located for that sole purpose (not fused for > 10A). The cord dangles out of the grill, but may need an extension cord to reach an outlet. Battery preconditioning for Tesla assumes it's at a charging station, and so will use that power source to bring up the battery temperature to a normal operating range. Have to assume low temperature operation is included in the system's state machine. RL
