On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 20:43:26 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>In article <uohh94$3rloc$1@dont-email.me>, jeroen@nospam.please says...
>> /20/24 22:39, Don Y wrote:
>> [...]
>> > The trend, nationally, (at least in cities) seems to be to
>> > discourage traffic in the congested inner cities.�[...]
>> >
>>
>> Yes. And they do that by making lots of annoying obstacles,
>> causing cars to spend more time on the road, causing *worse*
>> congestion than before.
>>
>>
>>
>
>It is just the opposite in my town. They have the stop lights set so
>that you usually get stopped every 2nd light. That is 'so you can look
>at the stores and window shop'. The main street is only about 15 blocks
>long. It used to be 2 lanesw each way but they installed bicycle lanes
>and it is only one lane and a turn lane for most of it now. The cross
>road is about 8 blocks of stop lights and then a long streach to stop
>lights about every 3 blocks for about 15 blocks in one direction to the
>interstate.
>
> It is just the opposite in my town. They have the stop lights set so
> that you usually get stopped every 2nd light. That is 'so you can look
> at the stores and window shop'. The main street is only about 15 blocks
> long. It used to be 2 lanesw each way but they installed bicycle lanes
> and it is only one lane and a turn lane for most of it now. The cross
> road is about 8 blocks of stop lights and then a long streach to stop
> lights about every 3 blocks for about 15 blocks in one direction to the
> interstate.
Our "downtown" is about 6 blocks long (and then another 6 blocks
offset by a block for traffic coming the other way).
But, there is nothing there to see -- besides municipal buildings,
a few little hole-in-the-wall shops and a theater.
There are other "areas" around town that have tended to draw
certain types of businesses/traffic. E.g., the warehouse district
is where you will find most art galleries (think: large indoor
spaces for low cost). Students have their little "center of
activity" around the university. There used to be a section that
was devoted to the "better" restaurants in town (until some
restaurateur wannabe bought them all up... and went bankrupt,
shuttering all of them, indefinitely).
But, as each of these areas sort of "evolved" into existence, none
were really designed with traffic in mind. E.g., if I want to visit
the university, I'm well advised to take a cab and not try to find
a place where The Public can park.
So, most folks adopt the suburbia mentality and visit specific
"shopping centers" for their purchases. And, make a note of where
various eateries or other "attractions-of-interest" lie.
But, thinking about it, this has been the case for most of the
places I've lived, regardless of size. E.g., there was no "in"
spot in Boston. Or Denver. Chicago. etc. Instead, there
were places that you frequented for specific reasons (e.g.,
if you want to visit museums, head to the shoreline in Chicago)
Even NYC was just a maze of locations splattered around the city...
Reply by Don Y●January 21, 20242024-01-21
On 1/20/2024 3:26 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 1/20/24 22:39, Don Y wrote:
> [...]
>> The trend, nationally, (at least in cities) seems to be to
>> discourage traffic in the congested inner cities. [...]
>
> Yes. And they do that by making lots of annoying obstacles,
> causing cars to spend more time on the road, causing *worse*
> congestion than before.
Their goal is to reduce congestion in targeted places.
"Downtown", here, has converted all streets to One Way
and you still are cramped for space (to accommodate
on-street parking -- as there is no place else that is close
to those stores/venues).
If they can coerce you into taking some other form of
transportation into the area, they feel they have made
progress. Hence the multimillion-dollar "streetcar"
project (that only serves to ferry students to and from
the local *bars* as it ONLY services the downtown area)
Downtown is old so "mixed use". You may encounter residential
neighborhoods within half a block of The Main Drag. Opting to
park *in* those neighborhoods will likely have an irate
homeowner calling to have your vehicle *towed* before you
get back to it.
Some municipal buildings (state, county, city) located
there have dedicated parking areas -- but, they are sized
for the traffic those buildings see. E.g., if you are
"called" for Jury Duty, you will park many blocks from the
courthouse (or, have someone drive you into town each day).
Renew your business license? Figure half a day to drive
into town, park "somewhere" (circle the small lot hoping
one of the 18 cars parked there will decide to depart),
walk to the office, wait in line, walk back to your car
and, finally, drive home.
[Of course, if you WORK for the city/county/state, you
probably have access to the parking GARAGE located, there!]
The town wasn't planned well -- if at all. So, there are
no real "hot spots" that can be targeted for mass transit.
If I wanted to get downtown on public transportation, it
would take me most of an hour -- vs. 25 minutes in my
own vehicle (and some amount of time to find a place to
STORE it while I am there!) But, I wouldn't bother going
there except for "official business" as most of the areas
one would want to chop or visit are distributed around
the town -- often plopped amidst residential areas.
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