Any Tesla driver here?

On 5/20/2022 12:16 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> I'd gladly buy a car with a manual transmission and fewer useless gadgets,

Which "gadgets" (that have software and/or add to the number of
"useless controls") would you do away with?

Personally, I can live without the mirror and seat position memory
(in MY car -- because SWMBO doesn't drive it: "too big" -- so everything
stays exactly as I left it)

I'd miss the backup camera and cross traffic alert system (for cars and
people passing behind the vehicle as you're backing up).

And, the gizmo that watches for vehicles in the blind spots while
driving (sometimes catches things that I may have missed, esp "determined"
road sheep).

No need for GPS (which isn't as good as some of the portable GPS units).
And, ditch the moonroof (that came as part of the trim level upgrade
that gave the power *passenger* seat).  How exactly does that N-way
control operate?  Am I *sure* it's closed WATER TIGHT??

I would, however, still want that power passenger seat for the times
I'm seated in it and want to LOWER it (SWMBO likes it set "high"...
so she can see what's passing UNDER the front bumper???)

Sound system is easy to implement with a PMP tied in to the "radio".

Nice to have the built-in garage door openers overhead.  But, clipping
an old-fashioned "remote" to the visor isn't a big deal.  Maybe not quite
as "aesthetically pleasing".

Nice to know what sort of fuel economy I'm presently getting.  And, a
summary for this tankful.  Saves a bit of mental arithmetic.  "Available
miles" in the tank?  <shrug>  Rarely more than a few blocks from a gas
station so the prospect of being stuck with an empty tank is pretty remote.

Cruise control?  Rarely make long drives.  (but has not been the case,
historically)

Oil life monitor?  I guess I could go back to keeping track of that in
my head.

Driver/passenger temperature controls?  How often do you want significantly
different temperature regions a few feet apart?!

Yeah, it's nice to have the headlights turn on when needed (?).  But,
its not like that's a huge labor-saver, for me!

Hands free cell phone tie in?  "Cell phone?  What's that?!"

Keyless entry/ignition?  I've already got to carry the damn keyfob so
how's that any different than carrying a *key*?!  ("Ah, but you can unlock
the door BEFORE you get to the car!"  Whoopdedoo)

Speech interface to all of the above?  Yes, please get rid of the
damn thing!  It's far too sluggish to be useful (you end up
*watching* the display -- instead of the roadway -- to see WHAT it
*thinks* you said)

And, no, I don't need to be reminded to put the car in park when
I turn off the ignition.  And, don't have a shit fit if I exit the
vehicle while its still running!  Or, nag me for not putting on the
damn seat belt.  Maybe I plan on exiting the vehicle (to check
the mail) once I get to the end of the driveway!

And, what the hell is THAT annunciator (without any accompanying MESSAGE
on any of the three displays)?  Did you save 10 bytes of code by relying
exclusively on a cryptic SOUND instead of declaring the intent??

What I'd LIKE is something that alerts me to things like bulb failures
(headlamps, turn signals, brake/running lights, etc.).  But, don't know
if its smart enough to do that.  OTOH, I see lots of "new" cars with
failed lamps and assume the drivers haven't been told of those failures,
yet (?)

Or, diagnostics of other "not trivial" systems (low on refrigerant?).

> but I still want the airco, the auto-darkening rear view mirror, etc.
> They just don't seem to exist anymore. Cars are computers on wheels
> these days, with all the weird bugs that entails.

Here, I think newer vehicles are required to have many of these
"safety features" (backup camera, etc.).  But, for the most part,
they don't require any/much fiddling (I think the cameras can
be configured for different "views")

On 5/19/2022 10:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
>> On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
>>>> <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>>>>>>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>>>>>>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>>>>>>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>>>>>>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
>>>>>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
>>>>>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
>>>>>>> eyes off the road.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or just common sense will do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of
>>>>>> controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
>>>>>> dash for everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right. It's a car.
>>>>
>>>
>>> An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
>>> cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
>>> fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
>>> LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
>>> compartment.
>>>
>>> Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting
>>> to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
>>> and ductwork.
>> This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option
> 
> What's wrong with that?  People have been using scents in cars for decades.  So the luxury car brand is making available without stopping at a gas station... sounds like an improvement for those who like it.

They're probably out of stock of the fragrance vials due to supply-chain 
issues, lol

> Why is everyone on the rag over the fact that people like things and car makers provide them?  What a bunch of whiny little girls!
> 

That's racist

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
> 
> Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against 
him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>> 
>> Comments?
>
>
>Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 
>hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against 
>him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...
>
>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

New movie:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla



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On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>> 
>> Comments?
>
>
>Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 
>hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against 
>him. 

He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
would ever do anything so evil.

The alleged incident was in 2018. Within 48 hours of becoming a
Republican, the scandal is public.



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On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>>
>>> Comments?
>>
>>
>> Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
>> hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
>> him.
> 
> He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
> would ever do anything so evil.

No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual 
relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own 
homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It 
seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself" 
or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party 
did or did not agree to it.

If the other party answered in the affirmative to the exposure after it 
and/or whatever activities were proposed then I surely have no problem 
with this.

> The alleged incident was in 2018. Within 48 hours of becoming a
> Republican, the scandal is public.

I certainly wouldn't defend an employee who'd only worked for me for 48 
hours without all the facts I know that, but political affiliation is 
somewhat different situation I guess..

Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>> Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to 
>>> manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and 
>>> ductwork.
>> 
>> This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option
> 
> Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
> cold while driving?)
> 
> There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
> make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

I never figured that crap out. If you're 400 pounds and can't climb a 
step, you don't need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

And nobody needs a plastic geartrain. All that nonsense was garbage pushed 
by the manufacturers as stuff to break or just be another useless feature.

Cydrome Leader wrote:
> Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>> On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>>> Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to
>>>> manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
>>>> ductwork.
>>>
>>> This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option
>>
>> Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
>> cold while driving?)
>>
>> There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
>> make boarding/disbarking more convenient.
> 
> I never figured that crap out. If you're 400 pounds and can't climb a
> step, you don't need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to 
climb up that high in her Saturday night goin'-ta-town dress. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(Whose better half is an even foot less tall than he is.)

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>>>
>>>> Comments?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
>>> hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
>>> him.
>> 
>> He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
>> would ever do anything so evil.
>
>No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual 
>relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own 
>homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It 
>seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself" 
>or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party 
>did or did not agree to it.

She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
paid to do it. 

His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
predictable.

She got a quarter megabuck for an hour's work. Probably now more for
selling her story.





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- Robert Widlar

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> Cydrome Leader wrote:
>> Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to
>>>>> manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
>>>>> ductwork.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option
>>>
>>> Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
>>> cold while driving?)
>>>
>>> There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
>>> make boarding/disbarking more convenient.
>> 
>> I never figured that crap out. If you're 400 pounds and can't climb a
>> step, you don't need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.
> 
> But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to 
> climb up that high in her Saturday night goin'-ta-town dress. ;)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Phil Hobbs
> 
> (Whose better half is an even foot less tall than he is.)

Like I was hinting at before, If you're hauling around cripples or what 
not, toss them in the back, or get a van with a wheelchair lift. The 
powered running boards are just pure nonsense.