Any Tesla driver here?

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don't you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>
>Comments?
>
>Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
eyes off the road.

Or just common sense will do it.

-- 

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts, 
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 1:59:34 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where 
> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the 
> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when 
> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses 
> to move. Don't you love modern cars? 

Are you sure you are talking about a Tesla?  I have the model X which has no hatches.  It has doors and a tailgate/trunk and a frunk (front trunk).  I can close any of them by pushing them shut.  I do that on the frunk because it doesn't close itself, but have done it on the tail gate because it is super cautious to not harm anyone and often only needs to push something a tiny bit out of the way.  If it won't, and I know what's wrong, I push it closed and drive off.  I've closed the doors by hand as well.  

What are you talking about?  I think the model X is the only Tesla that closes it's own doors and tailgate. 

Where did you hear about this? 

-- 

Rick C.

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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman 
> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote: 
> 
> >Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where 
> >someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the 
> >button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when 
> >you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses 
> >to move. Don't you love modern cars? 
> > 
> >Comments? 
> > 
> >Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers 
> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your 
> eyes off the road. 
> 
> Or just common sense will do it. 

The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything. 

-- 

Rick C.

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On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high 
end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been 
stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be 
done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers 
were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves 
understood them batter than anyone else!

Roadside assistance couldn't do anything with it beyond dragging it onto 
a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and "no fault 
found" from the dealer. It didn't ever do it again which was a bonus.

I discovered the hard way after parking in a very tight spot in an 
underground carpark that entering the car by the passenger door and then 
trying to start the car would also set off the alarm.

Luckily there was just enough room to open the drivers side door to 
satisfy the stupid magnetic door sensor (but barely enough to get a 
piece of paper through the resulting crack in the door).

Another that got me on a test drive (take home for the weekend to try) 
was a Saab where you cannot get the keys out of ignition unless you put 
the damn thing into reverse gear. The fleet manager forgot to tell me 
that crucial detail - lucky we had a secure garage at home.

The only thing it did well was driving at speed on cobbled streets.

-- 
Regards,
Martin Brown

Martin Brown wrote:
> On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
> 
> Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high 
> end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been 
> stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be 
> done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers 
> were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves 
> understood them batter than anyone else!
> 
> Roadside assistance couldn't do anything with it beyond dragging it onto 
> a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and "no fault 
> found" from the dealer. It didn't ever do it again which was a bonus.
> 
> I discovered the hard way after parking in a very tight spot in an 
> underground carpark that entering the car by the passenger door and then 
> trying to start the car would also set off the alarm.
> 
> Luckily there was just enough room to open the drivers side door to 
> satisfy the stupid magnetic door sensor (but barely enough to get a 
> piece of paper through the resulting crack in the door).
> 
> Another that got me on a test drive (take home for the weekend to try) 
> was a Saab where you cannot get the keys out of ignition unless you put 
> the damn thing into reverse gear. The fleet manager forgot to tell me 
> that crucial detail - lucky we had a secure garage at home.
> 
> The only thing it did well was driving at speed on cobbled streets.
> 

Yeah, I like cars that do as they're damn well told.  I drive a 2012 
convertible Mustang that has a manual transmission and none of that 
other crap, and intend to keep it going till I die.

Failing that, I might switch to something that's easy to get parts for, 
such as a 1972 Chevelle.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman 
>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote: 
>> 
>> >Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where 
>> >someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the 
>> >button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when 
>> >you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses 
>> >to move. Don't you love modern cars? 
>> > 
>> >Comments? 
>> > 
>> >Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers 
>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your 
>> eyes off the road. 
>> 
>> Or just common sense will do it. 
> 
> The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything. 

Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

>Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman 
>>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> >Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where 
>>> >someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the 
>>> >button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when 
>>> >you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses 
>>> >to move. Don't you love modern cars? 
>>> > 
>>> >Comments? 
>>> > 
>>> >Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers 
>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your 
>>> eyes off the road. 
>>> 
>>> Or just common sense will do it. 
>> 
>> The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything. 
>
>Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.
>

Right. It's a car.

-- 

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts, 
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On 5/19/2022 10:59 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

That's some stupid PHB's notion (or, some consultant hired by same)
of how things should work.  I'm sure there is formal language
that defines that behavior -- for *some* reason (which MAY make
sense but likely isn't intuitive to the driver/user)

Many SUVs complain if the hatchback is left open.  How do you
transport an "oversize load" if you can't leave the item
hanging out the ass end of the vehicle?  (buy a truck, instead?)
You can trip the sensor in the latch -- but then you're still
faced with the problem of holding the hatch "partially closed"
(there's often nothing to "tie onto" on the hatch!)

SWMBO's vehicle has the controls for the seat heaters located on the
center console.  So, if you ever set anything on it (e.g., her purse),
you will likely turn one or both on.  You won't see the VISUAL indicator
that tells you this -- because it has been covered by the object.
Instead, you'll eventually feel the seat getting unusually warm...

The car is smart enough to remember which the positions we each prefer
for the driver's seat (but not the passenger's!  :< ).  And, our
music preferences, station presets, order in which we like to see
audio sources listed, etc.  *BUT*, always sets the entertainment
system to the state it was in when the car was last driven -- regardless
of the driver!  (so "her" radio station will be selected even if it
doesn't exist in my presets -- and, I was listening to a specific MP3
when I last drove the vehicle.

*Someone* had to make a conscious decision as to where these
controls would be sited, how implemented and their overall behavior.
You'd assume companies with the resources of car manufacturers would
have smarter people making those decisions!

On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
> <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>>>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>>>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>>>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>>>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
>>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
>>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
>>>> eyes off the road.
>>>>
>>>> Or just common sense will do it.
>>>
>>> The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.
>>
>> Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.
>>
> 
> Right. It's a car.
> 

An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a 
cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand 
fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking, 
LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove 
compartment.

Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting 
to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers 
and ductwork.