Any Tesla driver here?

On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
>> <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>>>>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>>>>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>>>>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>>>>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
>>>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
>>>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
>>>>> eyes off the road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or just common sense will do it.
>>>>
>>>> The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of 
>>>> controls.&nbsp; Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the 
>>>> dash for everything.
>>>
>>> Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.
>>>
>>
>> Right. It's a car.
>>
> 
> An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a 
> cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand 
> fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking, 
> LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove 
> compartment.
> 
> Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting 
> to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers 
> and ductwork.

This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:49:21 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: 
> >> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman 
> >> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> >Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where 
> >> >someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the 
> >> >button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when 
> >> >you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses 
> >> >to move. Don't you love modern cars? 
> >> > 
> >> >Comments? 
> >> > 
> >> >Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman 
> >> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers 
> >> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your 
> >> eyes off the road. 
> >> 
> >> Or just common sense will do it. 
> > 
> > The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.
> Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

Ok, but people buy them.  That makes them necessary for those who make and sell the cars.  They can't sell what people don't buy. 

-- 

Rick C.

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On 05/19/2022 07:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
>> <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>>>>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>>>>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>>>>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>>>>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
>>>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
>>>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
>>>>> eyes off the road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or just common sense will do it.
>>>>
>>>> The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of
>>>> controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
>>>> dash for everything.
>>>
>>> Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.
>>>
>>
>> Right. It's a car.
>>
>
> An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
> cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
> fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
> LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
> compartment.
>
> Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting
> to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
> and ductwork.

What do they have against little pine trees?

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote: 
> > On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote: 
> >> On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader 
> >> <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: 
> >>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman 
> >>>>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where 
> >>>>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the 
> >>>>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when 
> >>>>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses 
> >>>>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars? 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Comments? 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman 
> >>>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers 
> >>>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your 
> >>>>> eyes off the road. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Or just common sense will do it. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of 
> >>>> controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the 
> >>>> dash for everything. 
> >>> 
> >>> Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place. 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Right. It's a car. 
> >> 
> > 
> > An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a 
> > cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand 
> > fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking, 
> > LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove 
> > compartment. 
> > 
> > Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting 
> > to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers 
> > and ductwork.
> This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

What's wrong with that?  People have been using scents in cars for decades.  So the luxury car brand is making available without stopping at a gas station... sounds like an improvement for those who like it. 

Why is everyone on the rag over the fact that people like things and car makers provide them?  What a bunch of whiny little girls! 

-- 

Rick C.

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On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
>> Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to 
>> manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and 
>> ductwork.
> 
> This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
cold while driving?)

There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

Neighbor's Huracan is some god-awful (IMO) color -- that he's proud
of (cuz it's one-of-a-kind).

Another is proud that he gets *8* MPG!

To some folks, cars are the equivalent of jewelry (what role does THAT
play?).

OTOH, there are some "features" that definitely improve a driving experience.

I sure wouldn't like to be tooling around without ACbrrr.  And, the
backup cameras are nice (though I suspect too many folks rely on them
too heavily).  As are the LIDAR detectors for cars/people passing behind
you as you back out (don't RELY on it but it's a nice fallback to catch
cases you may have missed).

I like the fact that the seats remember where I like them to be positioned
as do the mirrors.

And, as I back into the garage, it's nice that the side mirrors automatically
tilt downward to give me a better view of what's alongside the car as I
back in.

Do I need a moonroof?  No (OTOH, I enjoy removing the roof panels on *my*
vehicle!).  Or, the ability to close the hatchback from the driver's seat?
(why didn't I close it when I was back there??!)

But, people like toys in their vehicles.  Esp american car vendors.
Do you really need a HUD to get from point A to point B??  Is there
some reason you can't notice the most recent speed limit sign as
you pass it -- why rely on the one displayed in your HUD?!

On 2022-05-20, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 10:59 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>> 
>> Comments?
>> 
>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
>
> That's some stupid PHB's notion (or, some consultant hired by same)
> of how things should work.  I'm sure there is formal language
> that defines that behavior -- for *some* reason (which MAY make
> sense but likely isn't intuitive to the driver/user)
>
> Many SUVs complain if the hatchback is left open.  How do you
> transport an "oversize load" if you can't leave the item
> hanging out the ass end of the vehicle?  (buy a truck, instead?)
> You can trip the sensor in the latch -- but then you're still
> faced with the problem of holding the hatch "partially closed"
> (there's often nothing to "tie onto" on the hatch!)

I usually join the catch (I catch a pice of wire or rope in the catch)
to the ring that usually engages with the catch,

but you can also tie to hinges(and run the rope over the outside
or tie to the wiper axle.

on the body of the car you can also tie to the external tie-down point,
and internally the child-seat anchor point, and spare wheel are other
options

-- 
  Jasen.

On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Perhaps something like this would help. ;-)
<https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/new-bluetooth-hack-can-unlock-your-tesla-and-all-kinds-of-other-devices/>

-- 

Jeff

On 2022-05-20 04:31, Ricky wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:49:21 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>> Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>> <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>>>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing
>>>>> the button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently,
>>>>> when you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and
>>>>> refuses to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word--
>>>>> Belleman
>>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car
>>>> designers back to using knobs that you can grab and turn
>>>> without taking your eyes off the road. with
>>>> Or just common sense will do it.
>>>
>>> The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.
>> Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.
>
> Ok, but people buy them.  That makes them necessary for those who make and sell the cars.  They can't sell what people don't buy.
>

I'd gladly buy a car with a manual transmission and fewer useless gadgets,
but I still want the airco, the auto-darkening rear view mirror, etc.
They just don't seem to exist anymore. Cars are computers on wheels
these days, with all the weird bugs that entails.

Jeroen Belleman

On 5/19/2022 11:30 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>> On 5/19/2022 10:59 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>>
>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
>>
>> That's some stupid PHB's notion (or, some consultant hired by same)
>> of how things should work.  I'm sure there is formal language
>> that defines that behavior -- for *some* reason (which MAY make
>> sense but likely isn't intuitive to the driver/user)
>>
>> Many SUVs complain if the hatchback is left open.  How do you
>> transport an "oversize load" if you can't leave the item
>> hanging out the ass end of the vehicle?  (buy a truck, instead?)
>> You can trip the sensor in the latch -- but then you're still
>> faced with the problem of holding the hatch "partially closed"
>> (there's often nothing to "tie onto" on the hatch!)
> 
> I usually join the catch (I catch a pice of wire or rope in the catch)
> to the ring that usually engages with the catch,

I put a short length of chain terminated in a steel ring (thickness
of the "ring" on the back of car) with a short bungy cord on the
other end (terminating in its hook).

   Chain  Bungy
O888888~~~~~~~~C
Ring  8  Hook
       8  excess chain
       8

Place the ring in the catch and let the hatch grab it and "suck it in".
Use the hook on the other end of the bungy cord to engage the "ring"
at the bottom of the cargo area.  So, there is some "give" to the tie down.

If you need to have the hatch a bit more open (to accommodate something
"thicker"), move the bungy to expose another link in the chain while
keeping the same tension on the bungy cord.

Slip a furniture pad (Harbor Freight) between the hatch and the item
its being held against -- and another *under* the item between it
and the cargo floor.  So, when the hatch bounces -- as you navigate
the potholes and speed bumps in the neighborhood -- it has some
cushion (I keep several furniture pads in the car at all times as
there's often something that needs to be isolated from the vehicle's
interior surfaces, even if the hatch CAN close)

[This assumes the hatch can be held AGAINST whatever is sticking out
the ass end of the vehicle, under the tension of the bungy cord]

I'd not want to drive long distances like this but it has been
quite good for the 2-3 mile trip to home depot, lowes, etc.

[Store the contraption in the "trunk" (spare tire storage area)
as you never know when you will need it]

> but you can also tie to hinges(and run the rope over the outside
> or tie to the wiper axle.

Hinges aren't accessible "over the outside" when the hatch is
going to be almost closed; there's a rubber seal there (the
hinges are inboard of the door) so barely room for a bit of twine!

Wiper axle seems like it's an invitation for a "wiper repair"!
(That was my first idea, thankfully rejected.)

> on the body of the car you can also tie to the external tie-down point,
> and internally the child-seat anchor point, and spare wheel are other
> options

There are some tie points on the sides of the cargo area.  But, the
"ring" that the hatch normally catches is much easier to access
and better positioned.

Spare wheel is under the cargo area (SUV) so you'd have to remove the
"floor insert" to get access to the wheel.  Then, where do you put
that large piece of "floor" while you're transporting cargo?

Rear seat needs to be folded down.  As does the passenger seat, often.
But, I can easily carry 12 ft lumber, copper/PVC tubing, etc. like
this (furniture pads used to protect seat leather, etc.).  Reserve those
favors you ask of neighbors with trucks to the really difficult
transports!

Would it have been so hard for the manufacturer to have anticipated this?
(I suspect driving with the hatch open -- in any way -- would likely
be seen as a liability issue.)

In a previous hatchback, I could lie in the back and HOLD the hatch
closed.  Used this technique to transport many 10' trees home when
we were landscaping the yard!

But, this hatch has too much mass (inertia) to be comfortable doing so.
First bump would have it flying open with me attached!

On 5/20/2022 12:06 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>> Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
> 
> Perhaps something like this would help. ;-)
> <https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/new-bluetooth-hack-can-unlock-your-tesla-and-all-kinds-of-other-devices/> 

This can be countered by measuring time of flight (assuming "keys" aren't
repeated and subject to replay attack).

This is just common when folks treat security as an afterthought
instead of building it *into* the device/process.

<https://www.wired.com/story/pacemaker-hack-malware-black-hat/>