On 4/6/2021 5:12 PM, Don Y wrote:> On 4/6/2021 2:02 PM, bitrex wrote: >> Letting corporations live large and do whatever they want, while >> having the religious police and regular police up your ass everywhere >> you go and sending a bajillion dollars a year of the public's money to >> the military to buy defective toys, plays well in America. Hell, some >> people even call it "freedom." > > "Corporations are people". Why should one group of "people" not have > to pay taxes while others do? Perhaps we should eliminate some > of the *rights* those "people" have as we reduce their tax burden? > > Amusing that a human person commits a crime (e.g., something leading to > loss of life) and he goes to prison. His freedom is taken from him. > Corporate person does so and he gets fined. Perhaps their business license > should be taken from them for a suitable period -- to curtail their > freedom? They just can't conduct any business (pay any employees!) > for the duration of that "suspension". > > Or, alternatively, allow human persons to PAY for their crimes in cash, > instead of prison time? > > I wonder how well *that* idea will go over? :>Cease these un-American activities immediately, citizen! Was für das Unternehmen gut ist, ist sehr gut für die Volk! Deutschland muss leben, und wenn wir sterben müssen! Hup!
OT Tax Rant
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On 4/6/2021 2:35 PM, Don Y wrote:> On 4/6/2021 10:00 AM, bitrex wrote: > >> Consume for pleasure? No one consumes only for pleasure, consumption >> is the sine qua non of industrialized society, you must do so. Or you >> will die. > > In Japan, consumption is effectively *mandated* (well, strongly encouraged > as second hand consequences of law: /shaken/) It's seen as "cheaper" > to just replace your vehicle rather than deal with a variety of "fines" for > various violations and attendant costs to bring the vehicle back into > compliance. > > As your "used" car will cost the dealer to bring *it* back into compliance, > he'll likely destroy or export it. Thus, the NEW car market is > artificially > enlarged! > > What a clever way of keeping auto production at an elevated level! > (and, doing so, under the guise of ensuring public safety!)Ever seen a Tokyo apartment? Maybe that's why "virtual goods" are so popular there.
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On 4/6/2021 5:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:52:06 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> On 4/6/2021 2:50 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>> bitrex wrote: >>>> On 4/6/2021 12:12 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote: >>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in >>>>> news:7ff76f0d-bacd-de94-8559-e8cc0a499618@electrooptical.net: >>>>> >>>>>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolut >>>>>>> ionize-corporate-taxation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why not reincorporate as an LLC? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That would certainly limit his liabilities. >>>>> >>>> >>>> My first reaction to the text of a large number of contract work >>>> solicitations/proposals I see by Somecompany, LLC is "Well I see why >>>> they're limiting their liabilities." >>> >>> Such as Amazon LLC? >>> >> >> Oh, for the days when "We're going to sell stuff people want to buy - on >> the Internet" or just "We're going to do X...but on the Internet" was >> considered a ground-breaking concept. >> >> Seems almost quaint, now... > > You can drive 20 miles to an Office Depot and park and hope they have > the thing you need. Or go to Amazon who very likely will have it, and > get it delivered. >We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos Our great computers fill the hallowed halls We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos All the gifts of life, are held within these walls
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:51:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 4/6/2021 5:03 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:52:06 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> On 4/6/2021 2:50 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>> bitrex wrote: >>>>> On 4/6/2021 12:12 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote: >>>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in >>>>>> news:7ff76f0d-bacd-de94-8559-e8cc0a499618@electrooptical.net: >>>>>> >>>>>>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolut >>>>>>>> ionize-corporate-taxation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why not reincorporate as an LLC? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> �� That would certainly limit his liabilities. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My first reaction to the text of a large number of contract work >>>>> solicitations/proposals I see by Somecompany, LLC is "Well I see why >>>>> they're limiting their liabilities." >>>> >>>> Such as Amazon LLC? >>>> >>> >>> Oh, for the days when "We're going to sell stuff people want to buy - on >>> the Internet" or just "We're going to do X...but on the Internet" was >>> considered a ground-breaking concept. >>> >>> Seems almost quaint, now... >> >> You can drive 20 miles to an Office Depot and park and hope they have >> the thing you need. Or go to Amazon who very likely will have it, and >> get it delivered. >> > >We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos >Our great computers fill the hallowed halls >We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos >All the gifts of life, are held within these wallsI just ordered two bags of yellow grits and two jugs of Soy Vey from Amazon. The local stores have neither. White Lily flour can't be bought here. I am dissapointed in the power attenuators. https://www.dropbox.com/s/399bd9n1g5btt4t/Azat_1.jpg?raw=1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i07d69kfwf1oo9/Amazon_Atten.jpg?raw=1 One new one measures 53 ohms on one end!
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On 06/04/2021 23:00, John Larkin wrote:> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:01:47 +0200, David Brown > <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: > >> On 06/04/2021 21:01, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 20:12:32 +0200, David Brown >>> <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >>> >>>> On 06/04/2021 17:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolutionize-corporate-taxation >>>>> >>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Why not start your own religion, like L. Ron Hubbard? He too had lots >>>> of fanciful ideas with no grounding in reality, and felt he didn't make >>>> enough money from his normal work. Someone suggested he started his own >>>> religion - no restrictions on what you can say and do, no taxes, no >>>> limits. Tell the tax man you believe electronics works by trapping >>>> little pixies inside boxes, and you'll get state subsidies and can start >>>> your own university in Alabama. >>>> >>> >>> If creating businesses and jobs and food and stuff is religion, I'm a >>> believer. >>> >> >> I had hoped it was obvious that I was joking - mocking the absurdity of >> the support the USA (and many other countries) have for anything as long >> as it is called a "religion". (Though this is exactly why Hubbard >> started Scientology - it was a scam to make money.) >> >>> Tax consumption, not production. There's nothing mystical about that. >>> >> >> Usually you (i.e., a country) get best results from taxing a range of >> things, avoiding taxing any of the them too much or too little. If you >> concentrate taxation too tightly, people will just find more ways to >> avoid paying it. > > Avoid corporate taxes by buying Chinese. >Norway has approximately the same rate of corporate tax as the USA. However, in Norway corporate tax makes up 12.5% of the GDP (I'm getting figures from Wikipedia here), while in the USA it makes up 1.8%. Does that mean companies in Norway are ten times as successful? Or that 90% of companies in the USA cheat or dodge their taxes?> >> Crucially, you have to figure a way to make people >> feel the taxation is approximately fair, and the returns they get for >> their taxes are approximately fair (while realising that people's idea >> of "fair" are often wildly different). > > That's the problem, seeming "fair" instead of doing what's best for > the people. When I hear "fair share" I know an idiot is talking.Whenever someone says "I have the solution - drop /this/ kind of tax", you can be absolutely sure an idiot is talking.> > Corporate taxation is mostly envy. That makes no sense, since > corporations don't have feelings.Corporate taxation is about taxing something that makes a profit. Companies can re-invest their profits inside the company in some way - building the company without being taxed - or they can pass on a dividend to their shareholders, paying a tax first. That has never struck me as being unreasonable. (I am no expert in economics, however.)> > The new drive for unified international corporate tax rates is an > admission that, as long as companies and countries compete, the best > corporate rates are low to zero.It is difficult to see how anyone could jump to a sillier conclusion here.> > The world government fans hate competition, partly because it dilutes > their power, and partly because it makes them look stupid. >
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On 4/6/2021 6:29 PM, John Larkin wrote:> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:51:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> On 4/6/2021 5:03 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:52:06 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/6/2021 2:50 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>> bitrex wrote: >>>>>> On 4/6/2021 12:12 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote: >>>>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in >>>>>>> news:7ff76f0d-bacd-de94-8559-e8cc0a499618@electrooptical.net: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolut >>>>>>>>> ionize-corporate-taxation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why not reincorporate as an LLC? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That would certainly limit his liabilities. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My first reaction to the text of a large number of contract work >>>>>> solicitations/proposals I see by Somecompany, LLC is "Well I see why >>>>>> they're limiting their liabilities." >>>>> >>>>> Such as Amazon LLC? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh, for the days when "We're going to sell stuff people want to buy - on >>>> the Internet" or just "We're going to do X...but on the Internet" was >>>> considered a ground-breaking concept. >>>> >>>> Seems almost quaint, now... >>> >>> You can drive 20 miles to an Office Depot and park and hope they have >>> the thing you need. Or go to Amazon who very likely will have it, and >>> get it delivered. >>> >> >> We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos >> Our great computers fill the hallowed halls >> We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos >> All the gifts of life, are held within these walls > > > I just ordered two bags of yellow grits and two jugs of Soy Vey from > Amazon. The local stores have neither. White Lily flour can't be > bought here. > > I am dissapointed in the power attenuators. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/399bd9n1g5btt4t/Azat_1.jpg?raw=1 > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i07d69kfwf1oo9/Amazon_Atten.jpg?raw=1 > > One new one measures 53 ohms on one end! >What the... This switching bench PSU came from Amazon and it's actually a decent PSU once I cleaned the board, replaced the power FET, the TO-220 dual diode, burned thermistor and re-soldered the joints like a normal person would've done the first time. <https://www.dropbox.com/s/kklue2eyyy2c3i9/IMG_20171005_104357775.jpg?dl=0>
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onsdag den 7. april 2021 kl. 00.29.29 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:51:32 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: > > >On 4/6/2021 5:03 PM, John Larkin wrote: > >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:52:06 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: > >> > >>> On 4/6/2021 2:50 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: > >>>> bitrex wrote: > >>>>> On 4/6/2021 12:12 PM, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: > >>>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in > >>>>>> news:7ff76f0d-bacd-de94...@electrooptical.net: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolut > >>>>>>>> ionize-corporate-taxation > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Why not reincorporate as an LLC? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Phil Hobbs > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That would certainly limit his liabilities. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> My first reaction to the text of a large number of contract work > >>>>> solicitations/proposals I see by Somecompany, LLC is "Well I see why > >>>>> they're limiting their liabilities." > >>>> > >>>> Such as Amazon LLC? > >>>> > >>> > >>> Oh, for the days when "We're going to sell stuff people want to buy - on > >>> the Internet" or just "We're going to do X...but on the Internet" was > >>> considered a ground-breaking concept. > >>> > >>> Seems almost quaint, now... > >> > >> You can drive 20 miles to an Office Depot and park and hope they have > >> the thing you need. Or go to Amazon who very likely will have it, and > >> get it delivered. > >> > > > >We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos > >Our great computers fill the hallowed halls > >We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos > >All the gifts of life, are held within these walls > I just ordered two bags of yellow grits and two jugs of Soy Vey from > Amazon. The local stores have neither. White Lily flour can't be > bought here. > > I am dissapointed in the power attenuators. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/399bd9n1g5btt4t/Azat_1.jpg?raw=1 > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i07d69kfwf1oo9/Amazon_Atten.jpg?raw=1 > > One new one measures 53 ohms on one end!soldering isn't bad if it was done with rusty nail heated with a candle ;) but how much did it cost? less than two SMA connectors, with free shipping?
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 18:46:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 4/6/2021 6:29 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:51:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> On 4/6/2021 5:03 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:52:06 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4/6/2021 2:50 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>>> bitrex wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/6/2021 12:12 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote: >>>>>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in >>>>>>>> news:7ff76f0d-bacd-de94-8559-e8cc0a499618@electrooptical.net: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolut >>>>>>>>>> ionize-corporate-taxation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why not reincorporate as an LLC? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> �� That would certainly limit his liabilities. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first reaction to the text of a large number of contract work >>>>>>> solicitations/proposals I see by Somecompany, LLC is "Well I see why >>>>>>> they're limiting their liabilities." >>>>>> >>>>>> Such as Amazon LLC? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, for the days when "We're going to sell stuff people want to buy - on >>>>> the Internet" or just "We're going to do X...but on the Internet" was >>>>> considered a ground-breaking concept. >>>>> >>>>> Seems almost quaint, now... >>>> >>>> You can drive 20 miles to an Office Depot and park and hope they have >>>> the thing you need. Or go to Amazon who very likely will have it, and >>>> get it delivered. >>>> >>> >>> We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos >>> Our great computers fill the hallowed halls >>> We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos >>> All the gifts of life, are held within these walls >> >> >> I just ordered two bags of yellow grits and two jugs of Soy Vey from >> Amazon. The local stores have neither. White Lily flour can't be >> bought here. >> >> I am dissapointed in the power attenuators. >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/399bd9n1g5btt4t/Azat_1.jpg?raw=1 >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i07d69kfwf1oo9/Amazon_Atten.jpg?raw=1 >> >> One new one measures 53 ohms on one end! >> > >What the... > >This switching bench PSU came from Amazon and it's actually a decent PSU >once I cleaned the board, replaced the power FET, the TO-220 dual diode, >burned thermistor and re-soldered the joints like a normal person >would've done the first time. > ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/kklue2eyyy2c3i9/IMG_20171005_104357775.jpg?dl=0>I've seen worse. I think Amazon supresses bad reviews.
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:55:25 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:>onsdag den 7. april 2021 kl. 00.29.29 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin: >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:51:32 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >> >> >On 4/6/2021 5:03 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:52:06 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 4/6/2021 2:50 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >> >>>> bitrex wrote: >> >>>>> On 4/6/2021 12:12 PM, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: >> >>>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in >> >>>>>> news:7ff76f0d-bacd-de94...@electrooptical.net: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolut >> >>>>>>>> ionize-corporate-taxation >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Why not reincorporate as an LLC? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Cheers >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Phil Hobbs >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> That would certainly limit his liabilities. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> My first reaction to the text of a large number of contract work >> >>>>> solicitations/proposals I see by Somecompany, LLC is "Well I see why >> >>>>> they're limiting their liabilities." >> >>>> >> >>>> Such as Amazon LLC? >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Oh, for the days when "We're going to sell stuff people want to buy - on >> >>> the Internet" or just "We're going to do X...but on the Internet" was >> >>> considered a ground-breaking concept. >> >>> >> >>> Seems almost quaint, now... >> >> >> >> You can drive 20 miles to an Office Depot and park and hope they have >> >> the thing you need. Or go to Amazon who very likely will have it, and >> >> get it delivered. >> >> >> > >> >We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos >> >Our great computers fill the hallowed halls >> >We are the priests, of the temples, of Bezos >> >All the gifts of life, are held within these walls >> I just ordered two bags of yellow grits and two jugs of Soy Vey from >> Amazon. The local stores have neither. White Lily flour can't be >> bought here. >> >> I am dissapointed in the power attenuators. >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/399bd9n1g5btt4t/Azat_1.jpg?raw=1 >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i07d69kfwf1oo9/Amazon_Atten.jpg?raw=1 >> >> One new one measures 53 ohms on one end! > >soldering isn't bad if it was done with rusty nail heated with a candle ;) >but how much did it cost? less than two SMA connectors, with free shipping?$19 for the 10-watt 40 dB attenuator. When they are good, they are good to 3 GHz. A similar Mini-Circuits part is $160. They come in a nice metal can, good project box. The can says that one connector, the male, is the input end!
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On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:38:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolutionize-corporate-taxation > > My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates.Sounds good to me. Just tax all profits taken from companies by owners at 75%. Currently we tax that money twice, so just tax it once, but really big. If the owners are also employees, they have to take a reasonable salary. That means they pay FICA. Anything they take out that isn't salary should be at a high rate independent of their salary. -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
