On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 10:39:05 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 9:47:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 3:44:49 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 10:31:20 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 10:48:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 10:47:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 8:22:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 11:42:51 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:15:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 6:34:36 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 9:42:02 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:37:13 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:14:50 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:45:09 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:31:26 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 5:26:28 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:38:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > Political jackasses have a particularly hard time separating cause and effect. Their government is in shambles yet they assume they know how to run the country.
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> > > > > > > Which government did you have in mind? Trump's administration was a shambles, Obama's rather less so. Obama was stuck with cleaning up after the Dubbya shambles, but did an adequate job.
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> > > > > > Hey Sloman, only in your drug-addled mind. Here are a list of Trump's accomplishments:
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> > > > > <snip>
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> > > > > It did seem to leave out letting Covid-19 get so well established in the US that it has killed 574,840 US citizens so far - 1,729 per million people.
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> > > > > He did mention the
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> > > > > >Life-Saving Response to the China Virus
> > > > > >Restricted travel to the United States from infected regions of the world.
> > > > > >Suspended all travel from China, saving thousands of lives.
> > > > > > Required all American citizens returning home from designated outbreak countries to return through designated airports with enhanced screening measures, and to undergo a self-quarantine.
> > > > > > Announced further travel restrictions on Iran, the Schengen Area of Europe, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Brazil.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which probably did save a few lives at the start of the epidemic, but because Trump was much too slow to designate new outbreak countries, travelers from Europe were able to start a full-blown epidemic in New York and nothing that anybody did after that was able to stop the disease spreading throughout the United States where it has now cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
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> > > > > All the rest is lipstick on a pig.
> > > > >
> > > > > Flyguy is dismally stupid.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Slo, you are definitely a glass half-empty kind of libtard. Trump's accomplishments are NEVER enough for an idiot such as yourself,
Or anybody who can see the difference between a list of those few things that got better when Trump was nominally in charge and - the - nonexistent - list of things that got better because of things that he dod that were intended to make them better in that particular way.
> > > > but Joe Biden can just wake up, mumble a few incoherent words, and he is BRILLIANT.
Compared with Trump. pretty much anybody would be brilliant. Joe Biden doesn't actually mumble, and the fact that you can't make sense of what he is saying doesn't make what he is saying incoherent - it just isn't simplified down to the level that you (or the average Trump-supporter) can process.
> > Trump's self-proclaimed accomplishments can impress a gullible idiot like you, but he does skip all the bits he got wrong. Trump is famously a persistent liar, and the only way you can deal with that is to make the fatuous claim that Biden is worse. Biden is human, and does make mistakes from time to time, but
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> > https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
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> > https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/
> >
> > 17% of Trump's statements qualify for "pants on fire" versus 3% of Biden's, and 36% of Trumps statements qualify as merely "false"versus 17% of Biden's
> > > That list CLEARLY shows the vast range of Trump's accomplishments in all phases of life.
> > It clearly shows Trump's enthusiasm for selective self-praise. As a property developer he was responsible for a series of spectacular bankruptcies. As president he can be held responsible for managing the US response to the Covid-19 epidemic about as incompetently as the worst of the international competition. He couldn't have done worse if he'd tried.
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> > > In the mean time, Lyin' Biden has managed to FUCK UP many of these accomplishments with the most notable being the crushing crisis at the border which includes Biden's people sexually assaulting immigrant children.
> >
> > I don't recall any dramatic personnel changes in the people who control the US borders with the change in administration. They were Trump's people until Biden won the election.
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> > > Let's just highlight ONE area of Trump's accomplishments:
> > >
> > > Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery.
> >
> > If you cherry pick the data.
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> Well, HOORAY - you apparently AGREE with that fact.
That Trump cherry-picked that data? If you pick the comparison points carefully enough, even an incompetent wind-bag like Trump can make himself look good.
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> > > Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020.
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> > At the cost of a Covid-19 infections that hit 200,000 new cases per day in December, that translate into a Covid-19 death rate that peaked at 3,550 per day in January. If Trump had been more interested in saving lives than in having an economy that looked good, the jobs numbers wouldn't have looked as good.
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> Things are looking up: ANOTHER fact that you agree with.
The fact that Trump let Covid-19 kill more people than it should of done in order to boost his chance of getting re-elected?
> > > Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
> >
> > In other words, Dubbya's sub-prime mortgage crisis , which morphed into the global financial crisis, was a different kind of problem from the Covid-19 epidemic.
> And yet ANOTHER fact you agree with!
The fact that you and Trump compare apples and pears and expect to be allowed to get away with it?
> > > Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent.
> > >
> > > This is a CLEAR WIN for all Americans, not just conservatives, but the libtard media pretty much ignored unemployment until it started increasing due to the Chinese virus.
Of course if Trump had handled the Covid-19 epidemic better, unemployment wouldn't have got as high last year and the improvements wouldn't have been nearly as dramatic.
> > And Trump pretty much ignored the Chinese virus until it started visibly damaging the economy, then failed to effectively address the epidemic because that would have involved short term damage to the economy, which meant that the epidemic persisted and got worse, creating more long term damage to the economy. The survivors might count it as a win, but the losers are dead.
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> Even MORE facts you obviously agree with. God works in MYSTERIOUS WAYS!
So you agree that Trump managed the Covuid-19 epidemic disastrously badly, and now wants to claim credit for any recovery that happened under the next administration? There's nothing mysterious about that - the mystery is why you think that it gives Trump something to boast about.
> > You really are a gullible twit.
>
> No, YOU ARE - I deal in FACTS.
The very limited set of facts Trump's propaganda web-site servers up to you. You are stupid enough to think that they mean what Trump wants you to think they mean, and miss all the ways they misrepresent reality.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney