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LTspice, a great program, but that UI!

Started by rickman March 10, 2017
Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI 
something wicked.  Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture.

I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how 
poor not only the UI is, but the documentation.  I have learned 
programming languages by reading the manuals.  But I can't decipher the 
.MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features.

-- 

Rick C
In article <o9veuf$50c$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
> > Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI > something wicked. Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture. > > I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how > poor not only the UI is, but the documentation. I have learned > programming languages by reading the manuals. But I can't decipher the > .MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features.
Please be advised, LTspice and those like it are real programs designed for serious users in mind looking for real productivity tools for those that are PRODUCTIVE. Stop reading the PDF for those game apps. Jamie
"M Philbrook"  wrote in message 
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In article <o9veuf$50c$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
> > Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI > something wicked. Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture. > >> I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how >> poor not only the UI is, but the documentation. I have learned >> programming languages by reading the manuals. But I can't decipher the >> .MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features.
> Please be advised, LTspice and those like it are real programs designed >for serious users in mind looking for real productivity tools for those >that are PRODUCTIVE.
Pardon? http://www.anasoft.co.uk/worstcase.htm LTSpice is a freebee that lacks major key features for productive, professional use, imo... Anyone can piss about and make a one off work. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:46:53 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:

>"M Philbrook" wrote in message >news:MPG.332f37eeea23385398a015@news.eternal-september.org... > >In article <o9veuf$50c$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says... >> >> Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI >> something wicked. Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture. >> >>> I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how >>> poor not only the UI is, but the documentation. I have learned >>> programming languages by reading the manuals. But I can't decipher the >>> .MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features. > >> Please be advised, LTspice and those like it are real programs designed >>for serious users in mind looking for real productivity tools for those >>that are PRODUCTIVE. > >Pardon? > >http://www.anasoft.co.uk/worstcase.htm > >LTSpice is a freebee that lacks major key features for productive, >professional use, imo... > >Anyone can piss about and make a one off work. > >-- Kevin Aylward >http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice >http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
I get a lot of use out of LT Spice. It just took a few minutes to figure out the basics of entering a schematic and running a transient analysis. It's much friendlier than some others that I've used (like EWB) and a lot cheaper too. It's easy enough to use that I also use it instead of a calculator, for simple things like voltage dividers and time constants and opamp resistor calcs. I confess that I've also used it to design LC filters by pure fiddling. Instinct and simulation can get you a long way. The HELP could be a lot better. The spotty HELP make it a lot harder to do some things. There are other resources online, but they take some digging, and many just repeat one another. One of the best kept secrets is the space bar. I suspect that part of the motivation and value of the Analog Devices purchase of LTC was LT Spice; a couple of billion dollars worth maybe. I've heard that ADI will be migrating to LT Spice for their parts. I wish the scissors icon and the run icon looked more different; I tend to click the wrong one. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:46:53 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:

>"M Philbrook" wrote in message >news:MPG.332f37eeea23385398a015@news.eternal-september.org... > >In article <o9veuf$50c$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says... >> >> Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI >> something wicked. Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture. >> >>> I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how >>> poor not only the UI is, but the documentation. I have learned >>> programming languages by reading the manuals. But I can't decipher the >>> .MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features. > >> Please be advised, LTspice and those like it are real programs designed >>for serious users in mind looking for real productivity tools for those >>that are PRODUCTIVE. > >Pardon? > >http://www.anasoft.co.uk/worstcase.htm > >LTSpice is a freebee that lacks major key features for productive, >professional use, imo... > >Anyone can piss about and make a one off work. > >-- Kevin Aylward >http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice >http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
I think most people who have used, and swear by LTspice have never used, or even been exposed to, a professional simulation tool. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:46:53 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:

>"M Philbrook" wrote in message >news:MPG.332f37eeea23385398a015@news.eternal-september.org... > >In article <o9veuf$50c$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says... >> >> Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI >> something wicked. Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture. >> >>> I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how >>> poor not only the UI is, but the documentation. I have learned >>> programming languages by reading the manuals. But I can't decipher the >>> .MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features. > >> Please be advised, LTspice and those like it are real programs designed >>for serious users in mind looking for real productivity tools for those >>that are PRODUCTIVE. > >Pardon? > >http://www.anasoft.co.uk/worstcase.htm > >LTSpice is a freebee that lacks major key features for productive, >professional use, imo... > >Anyone can piss about and make a one off work. >
>I think most people who have used, and swear by LTspice have never >used, or even been exposed to, a professional simulation tool.
I agree. Or actually design ICs that have to work when sold in the millions per month range. The reality, is that of the 3,000,000 downloads, the bulk are used by students and amateurs. By that I mean this. The bulk of all electronics is IC electronics. That is, billions and billions of 10,000s of different products, sold every year are integrated circuits. The number of products with no ICs, is pretty much in the noise. This ranges from TVs, medical scanners, mobile phones, you name it, it is IC based. None of these designs (except maybe Linear Tech :-) ) are taped out using LTSpice. Its all professional tools, costing real money. Yeah, I am making a statement without actually have provable numbers, but maybe the one that does, don't post here to contradict me. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:46:53 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:

>"M Philbrook" wrote in message >news:MPG.332f37eeea23385398a015@news.eternal-september.org... > >In article <o9veuf$50c$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says... >> >> Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI >> something wicked. Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture. >> >>> I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how >>> poor not only the UI is, but the documentation. I have learned >>> programming languages by reading the manuals. But I can't decipher the >>> .MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features. > >> Please be advised, LTspice and those like it are real programs designed >>for serious users in mind looking for real productivity tools for those >>that are PRODUCTIVE. > >Pardon?
>I suspect that part of the motivation and value of the Analog Devices >purchase of LTC was LT Spice; a couple of billion dollars worth maybe.
I have to say, no way josa, and ROTFLMAO. :-) John. Not a chance in a billion that LTSpice has a business worth even remotely near that value. Its a freebe, so it would be simply impossible to justify it as shareholder value as anything more than dubious "goodwill". *The* fundamental reason companies buy other companies, is to take their *existing customers*, via the *products* that they *sell*. Its because the other company is eating into their markets or markets they want to enter. Its that simple. It has to be hard profit and loss quantifiable motives, that convince investors and shareholders. I propose that LTSpice played no part whatsoever in Analog Devices decision. Lets see if Mike pops up to contradict me. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
On 03/12/2017 02:09 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:46:53 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" > <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: > >> "M Philbrook" wrote in message >> news:MPG.332f37eeea23385398a015@news.eternal-september.org... >> >> In article <o9veuf$50c$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says... >>> >>> Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI >>> something wicked. Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture. >>> >>>> I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how >>>> poor not only the UI is, but the documentation. I have learned >>>> programming languages by reading the manuals. But I can't decipher the >>>> .MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features. >> >>> Please be advised, LTspice and those like it are real programs designed >>> for serious users in mind looking for real productivity tools for those >>> that are PRODUCTIVE. >> >> Pardon? >> >> http://www.anasoft.co.uk/worstcase.htm >> >> LTSpice is a freebee that lacks major key features for productive, >> professional use, imo... >> >> Anyone can piss about and make a one off work. >> >> -- Kevin Aylward >> http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice >> http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html > > > I get a lot of use out of LT Spice. It just took a few minutes to > figure out the basics of entering a schematic and running a transient > analysis. It's much friendlier than some others that I've used (like > EWB) and a lot cheaper too. > > It's easy enough to use that I also use it instead of a calculator, > for simple things like voltage dividers and time constants and opamp > resistor calcs. I confess that I've also used it to design LC filters > by pure fiddling. Instinct and simulation can get you a long way. > > The HELP could be a lot better. The spotty HELP make it a lot harder > to do some things. There are other resources online, but they take > some digging, and many just repeat one another. One of the best kept > secrets is the space bar. > > I suspect that part of the motivation and value of the Analog Devices > purchase of LTC was LT Spice; a couple of billion dollars worth maybe. > I've heard that ADI will be migrating to LT Spice for their parts. > > I wish the scissors icon and the run icon looked more different; I > tend to click the wrong one.
I just set the keyboard shortcut for 'run' to F5, which is familiar from various C++ IDEs such as Visual Studio. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:39:18 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:

>"Jim Thompson" wrote in message >news:ia4bcc9e1dh1uq7pf004t2p4on11gokme7@4ax.com... >
[snip]
> >>I think most people who have used, and swear by LTspice have never >>used, or even been exposed to, a professional simulation tool. > >I agree. Or actually design ICs that have to work when sold in the millions >per month range. >
[snip]
> >None of these designs (except maybe Linear Tech :-) ) are taped out using >LTSpice. Its all professional tools, costing real money. Yeah, I am making a >statement without actually have provable numbers, but maybe the one that >does, don't post here to contradict me. > > > >-- Kevin Aylward >http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice >http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
I really doubt the Linear Tech uses LTspice for design, except, perhaps, an in-house version as the engine immersed into a Cadence environment. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:42:31 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:

>"John Larkin" wrote in message >news:pi2bcc1mmrc1027fui30jm0p0rr39n4nh8@4ax.com... > >On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:46:53 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" ><kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: > >>"M Philbrook" wrote in message >>news:MPG.332f37eeea23385398a015@news.eternal-september.org... >> >>In article <o9veuf$50c$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says... >>> >>> Every time I want to do something with LTspice I have to fight the UI >>> something wicked. Doing anything relating to commands is pure torture. >>> >>>> I eventually figured out how to do what I wanted, but it is amazing how >>>> poor not only the UI is, but the documentation. I have learned >>>> programming languages by reading the manuals. But I can't decipher the >>>> .MEAS statement in LTspice along with many other features. >> >>> Please be advised, LTspice and those like it are real programs designed >>>for serious users in mind looking for real productivity tools for those >>>that are PRODUCTIVE. >> >>Pardon? > >>I suspect that part of the motivation and value of the Analog Devices >>purchase of LTC was LT Spice; a couple of billion dollars worth maybe. > >I have to say, no way josa, and ROTFLMAO. :-) > >John. Not a chance in a billion that LTSpice has a business worth even >remotely near that value. Its a freebe, so it would be simply impossible to >justify it as shareholder value as anything more than dubious "goodwill". > >*The* fundamental reason companies buy other companies, is to take their >*existing customers*, via the *products* that they *sell*. Its because the >other company is eating into their markets or markets they want to enter. >Its that simple. It has to be hard profit and loss quantifiable motives, >that convince investors and shareholders. > >I propose that LTSpice played no part whatsoever in Analog Devices >decision. Lets see if Mike pops up to contradict me. > > >-- Kevin Aylward >http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice >http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
>:-}
Observing that Analog Devices simulator is web-based only, "in the Cloud", I can guess where LTspice is headed >:-} ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.