On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:49 AM UTC-4, jjhu...@gmail.com wrote:> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:09:45 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote: > > On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > > > > > > It does most everything wrong. > > > > > > Just in case nobody noticed. > > > > > I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine. > > > > It isn't perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail! > > > > John :-#)# > +1 on Thunderbird. > I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, and I've had no issues over 10+ years. YMMV as they say... > Have had 'lookout' (aka outlook) corrupt .pst file on 3 different machines. Dead in the water. If you use it, back up .pst files as often as necessary. > > Ugg, someone said Teams? "Be afraid, be very afraid"I used to user T-bird for newsgroups until it crapped out in a way I could not fix (it crapped out a few times before that I did manage to fix). I switched to Seamonkey, a close cousin using the same code base and had a repeat experience. I think it was related to the size of the archive on the hard drive. I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with Eudora. It may not be pretty by today's standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I've had from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email! -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
outlook is garbage
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Reply by ●November 20, 20212021-11-20
Reply by ●November 20, 20212021-11-20
On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:> I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with Eudora. It may not > be pretty by today's standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I've had > from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email!I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on using an encryption standard that Eudora didn't support. I now use Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). However, when my wife wanted to upgrade computers I discovered that there has been a recent patch for Eudora which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it. John
Reply by ●November 20, 20212021-11-20
On 20/11/21 15:54, Rick C wrote:> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:49 AM UTC-4, jjhu...@gmail.com > wrote: >> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:09:45 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote: >>> On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> >>>> It does most everything wrong. >>>> >>>> Just in case nobody noticed. >>>> >>> I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine. >>> >>> It isn't perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail! >>> >>> John :-#)# >> +1 on Thunderbird. I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, and >> I've had no issues over 10+ years. YMMV as they say... Have had 'lookout' >> (aka outlook) corrupt .pst file on 3 different machines. Dead in the water. >> If you use it, back up .pst files as often as necessary. >> >> Ugg, someone said Teams? "Be afraid, be very afraid" > > I used to user T-bird for newsgroups until it crapped out in a way I could > not fix (it crapped out a few times before that I did manage to fix). I > switched to Seamonkey, a close cousin using the same code base and had a > repeat experience. I think it was related to the size of the archive on the > hard drive. I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking > with Eudora. It may not be pretty by today's standards, but it works and > keeps working on everything I've had from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an > email!Once, long ago, Thunderbird became very slow for me, so I switched to SeaMonkey. My largest folder contains 4GB and 35k messages, and works very well. The most I have to do is very occasionally "Repair Folder" to ensure the three views are in sync. A *major* advantage is that seamonkey/thunderbird uses the good old mbox format. Thus if I ever want to switch away, I can use the same files with a different email client. None of this locked into a single client rubbish :)
Reply by ●November 20, 20212021-11-20
On 20/11/21 21:17, John Walliker wrote:> On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote: >> I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with Eudora. It may not >> be pretty by today's standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I've had >> from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email! > > I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on using an > encryption standard that Eudora didn't support. I now use Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). > However, when my wife wanted to upgrade computers I discovered that there has been a > recent patch for Eudora which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it.Long ago Eudora pissed me off because it *grossly* mishandled attachments. It stripped them out and kept them in a separate directory with the attachment's name. Yes, if two email messages has attachments "untitled.doc", only one was retained!
Reply by ●November 20, 20212021-11-20
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:> On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote: > > I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with Eudora. It may not > > be pretty by today's standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I've had > > from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email! > I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on using an > encryption standard that Eudora didn't support. I now use Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). > However, when my wife wanted to upgrade computers I discovered that there has been a > recent patch for Eudora which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it.I don't know about particular encryption standards, but there is a plug in for Eudora that supports SSL/TLS, known as Hermes more recently. That does the trick for most people. I expect this is the issue you encountered. Seems Eudora lost support at about the time SSL/TLS became important and work on it was discontinued. There was an effort to update the entire program, but it has stalled without producing more results than this SSL/TLS update. The person even collected some amount of money through the project support web sites (not all that much really). I was hopeful a few bugs would be fixed, but I think it was just too large a project for so few people. I haven't heard about any progress for a year or two, maybe more. -- Rick C. + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●November 20, 20212021-11-20
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:> On 20/11/21 21:17, John Walliker wrote: > > On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with Eudora. It may not > >> be pretty by today's standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I've had > >> from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email! > > > > I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on using an > > encryption standard that Eudora didn't support. I now use Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). > > However, when my wife wanted to upgrade computers I discovered that there has been a > > recent patch for Eudora which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it. > Long ago Eudora pissed me off because it *grossly* mishandled attachments. > It stripped them out and kept them in a separate directory with the > attachment's name. > > Yes, if two email messages has attachments "untitled.doc", only one > was retained!My experience is that the second attachment is renamed with a '1' appended or "_1" or the like. I have some files with very high numbers, but it changes the number in the email to match. There are many issues with Eudora, mostly small and often related to the use of Internet Explorer for HTML rendering. That was one of the first things Hermes was to fix. -- Rick C. -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●November 21, 20212021-11-21
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> > It does most everything wrong. > > Just in case nobody noticed. > > >Outlook does not conform to the Sarbanes–Oxley Act of 2002. The SEC does not care that the reporting and trace-ability requirements are not enforced in Outlook. That fact is easily demonstrated (I did, to the SEC). Furthermore, Microsoft could care less; they paid the SEC off. Stuff that in your smoke and pipe it.
Reply by ●November 21, 20212021-11-21
On 21/11/21 03:18, Rick C wrote:> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: >> On 20/11/21 21:17, John Walliker wrote: >>> On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>>> I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with >>>> Eudora. It may not be pretty by today's standards, but it works and >>>> keeps working on everything I've had from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost >>>> an email! >>> >>> I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on >>> using an encryption standard that Eudora didn't support. I now use >>> Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). However, when my wife wanted to upgrade >>> computers I discovered that there has been a recent patch for Eudora >>> which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it. >> Long ago Eudora pissed me off because it *grossly* mishandled attachments. >> It stripped them out and kept them in a separate directory with the >> attachment's name. >> >> Yes, if two email messages has attachments "untitled.doc", only one was >> retained! > > My experience is that the second attachment is renamed with a '1' appended or > "_1" or the like. I have some files with very high numbers, but it changes > the number in the email to match. > > There are many issues with Eudora, mostly small and often related to the use > of Internet Explorer for HTML rendering. That was one of the first things > Hermes was to fix. >My experience with Eudora demonstrated two valuable things: 1) Eudora was broken in obvious ways, so the chances were that it would be broken in subtle ways. 2) Don't get tied to a proprietary format. Many email clients can use the mbox format. Even if seamonkey/thunderbird disappear, I can still reclaim my emails.
Reply by ●November 21, 20212021-11-21
On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 15:09:32 -0800, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:> >On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> >> It does most everything wrong. >> >> Just in case nobody noticed. >> > >I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine. > >It isn't perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail! > >John :-#)#I moved my mother's machine from Outlook to Mozilla's Thunderbird, when her machine got updated to W7 by her Techie. I'm only there once or twice a year, fixing things and backing them up. With the pandemic, I missed three trips and her Thunderbird stopped sending (or was it receiving?)mail last June. There were a couple of suggestions to fix this, involving compacting (empty) folders.There were also restore points and a full back-up. Instead of fixing it, her Techie updated her machine again, this time to W10 (trashing most of the 3rd party SW and licenses) and left her using her ISP's Webmail ( a version of 'Zimba' ?). I made the trip this fall, in the slow traffic season, when everyone had their shots and the going was good. Got the Mozilla parts working again (Seamonkey plus a stand-alone Thunderbird) after ripping out Edge, Cortana and replacing most of the desktop graphics with a legacy-like start menu and desktop with background. Retrieving files from the Zimba(?) interface wasn't simple. For the W10 desktop, had to rustle up links to most of the familiar windows functions, so that they could be included in a structured start menu, with sub-foldered categories. W10 wouldn't even recognize licensed CDs of Word or Excel. Reinstalled the ripped-out Open Office. Funny thing - after using Powershell to uninstall 'Edge', the W10 search function could no longer find the Powershell utility, using its search function. Had to create my own link in the revised start menue, to use it again for Cortana and other crap. Restore points made for each major change and a full back up. I've been rather insistent that she get a new techie, because most of this stuff is getting beyond me and that moron only seems to know how to re-install the OS. RL RL
Reply by ●November 21, 20212021-11-21
Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> >> It does most everything wrong. >> >> Just in case nobody noticed. >> >> >> > Outlook does not conform to the Sarbanes???Oxley Act of 2002. > The SEC does not care that the reporting and trace-ability > requirements are not enforced in Outlook. > That fact is easily demonstrated (I did, to the SEC). > Furthermore, Microsoft could care less; they paid the SEC off. > > Stuff that in your smoke and pipe it.This should be good! Please tell us about your presentation to the SEC.
