On 2021/11/20 7:54 a.m., Rick C wrote:> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 11:46:49 AM UTC-4, jjhu...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:09:45 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote: >>> On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> >>>> It does most everything wrong. >>>> >>>> Just in case nobody noticed. >>>> >>> I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine. >>> >>> It isn't perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail! >>> >>> John :-#)# >> +1 on Thunderbird. >> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, and I've had no issues over 10+ years. YMMV as they say... >> Have had 'lookout' (aka outlook) corrupt .pst file on 3 different machines. Dead in the water. If you use it, back up .pst files as often as necessary. >> >> Ugg, someone said Teams? "Be afraid, be very afraid" > > I used to user T-bird for newsgroups until it crapped out in a way I could not fix (it crapped out a few times before that I did manage to fix). I switched to Seamonkey, a close cousin using the same code base and had a repeat experience. I think it was related to the size of the archive on the hard drive. I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with Eudora. It may not be pretty by today's standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I've had from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email! >I have Eudora emails from the mid 90s that I migrated from machine to machine, piped to Thunderbird, and then from Windoz to OSX. They are still searchable. Long live MBOX! My host for usenet (Giganews) stores about ten to fifteen years, not as far back as googlegroups, but the GG interface... John :-#)#
outlook is garbage
Started by ●November 18, 2021
Reply by ●November 21, 20212021-11-21
Reply by ●November 21, 20212021-11-21
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:58:54 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:> On 21/11/21 03:18, Rick C wrote: > > On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: > >> On 20/11/21 21:17, John Walliker wrote: > >>> On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com > >>> wrote: > >>>> I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with > >>>> Eudora. It may not be pretty by today's standards, but it works and > >>>> keeps working on everything I've had from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost > >>>> an email! > >>> > >>> I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on > >>> using an encryption standard that Eudora didn't support. I now use > >>> Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). However, when my wife wanted to upgrade > >>> computers I discovered that there has been a recent patch for Eudora > >>> which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it. > >> Long ago Eudora pissed me off because it *grossly* mishandled attachments. > >> It stripped them out and kept them in a separate directory with the > >> attachment's name. > >> > >> Yes, if two email messages has attachments "untitled.doc", only one was > >> retained! > > > > My experience is that the second attachment is renamed with a '1' appended or > > "_1" or the like. I have some files with very high numbers, but it changes > > the number in the email to match. > > > > There are many issues with Eudora, mostly small and often related to the use > > of Internet Explorer for HTML rendering. That was one of the first things > > Hermes was to fix. > > > My experience with Eudora demonstrated two valuable things: > > 1) Eudora was broken in obvious ways, so the chances were > that it would be broken in subtle ways.Show me a program that is not broken... That's one reason for software maintenance. Even so, the premise is a fallacy. Your experience shows that Eudora is not obsolete. Just ask your wife.> 2) Don't get tied to a proprietary format. Many email clients > can use the mbox format. Even if seamonkey/thunderbird disappear, > I can still reclaim my emails.What's the proprietary format? Any text file can be converted fairly easily. The more popular a program has been the more converters there are for it. No one with half a brain ever had any trouble converting email files from Eudora. The really good news is Eudora clearly has legs, so no need to worry you will be surprised with a failure you can't recover from. -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●November 21, 20212021-11-21
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 5:28:14 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 4:58:54 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: > > On 21/11/21 03:18, Rick C wrote: > > > On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote: > > >> On 20/11/21 21:17, John Walliker wrote: > > >>> On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I'm sticking with > > >>>> Eudora. It may not be pretty by today's standards, but it works and > > >>>> keeps working on everything I've had from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost > > >>>> an email! > > >>> > > >>> I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on > > >>> using an encryption standard that Eudora didn't support. I now use > > >>> Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). However, when my wife wanted to upgrade > > >>> computers I discovered that there has been a recent patch for Eudora > > >>> which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it. > > >> Long ago Eudora pissed me off because it *grossly* mishandled attachments. > > >> It stripped them out and kept them in a separate directory with the > > >> attachment's name. > > >> > > >> Yes, if two email messages has attachments "untitled.doc", only one was > > >> retained! > > > > > > My experience is that the second attachment is renamed with a '1' appended or > > > "_1" or the like. I have some files with very high numbers, but it changes > > > the number in the email to match. > > > > > > There are many issues with Eudora, mostly small and often related to the use > > > of Internet Explorer for HTML rendering. That was one of the first things > > > Hermes was to fix. > > > > > My experience with Eudora demonstrated two valuable things: > > > > 1) Eudora was broken in obvious ways, so the chances were > > that it would be broken in subtle ways. > Show me a program that is not broken... That's one reason for software maintenance. Even so, the premise is a fallacy. Your experience shows that Eudora is not obsolete. Just ask your wife. > > 2) Don't get tied to a proprietary format. Many email clients > > can use the mbox format. Even if seamonkey/thunderbird disappear, > > I can still reclaim my emails. > What's the proprietary format? Any text file can be converted fairly easily. The more popular a program has been the more converters there are for it. No one with half a brain ever had any trouble converting email files from Eudora. > > The really good news is Eudora clearly has legs, so no need to worry you will be surprised with a failure you can't recover from.Sorry, I thought you were saying Eudora has a proprietary format, but it uses MBX as well. -- Rick C. -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●November 21, 20212021-11-21
Cydrome Leader wrote:> Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote: >> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> >>> It does most everything wrong. >>> >>> Just in case nobody noticed. >>> >>> >>> >> Outlook does not conform to the Sarbanes???Oxley Act of 2002. >> The SEC does not care that the reporting and trace-ability >> requirements are not enforced in Outlook. >> That fact is easily demonstrated (I did, to the SEC). >> Furthermore, Microsoft could care less; they paid the SEC off. >> >> Stuff that in your smoke and pipe it. > > This should be good! > > Please tell us about your presentation to the SEC. >Simple. Take any corporate document sent or received via Outlook and try to trace its path. Worse, if document was "deleted" somewhere in that path. Regs state the document should still exist; regs imply that the fact of deletion is discoverable along with location and time at minimum.
Reply by ●November 22, 20212021-11-22
Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:> Cydrome Leader wrote: >> Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote: >>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> >>>> It does most everything wrong. >>>> >>>> Just in case nobody noticed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Outlook does not conform to the Sarbanes???Oxley Act of 2002. >>> The SEC does not care that the reporting and trace-ability >>> requirements are not enforced in Outlook. >>> That fact is easily demonstrated (I did, to the SEC). >>> Furthermore, Microsoft could care less; they paid the SEC off. >>> >>> Stuff that in your smoke and pipe it. >> >> This should be good! >> >> Please tell us about your presentation to the SEC. >> > Simple. > Take any corporate document sent or received via Outlook and try to > trace its path. > > Worse, if document was "deleted" somewhere in that path. > Regs state the document should still exist; regs imply that the fact > of deletion is discoverable along with location and time at minimum.And what does any of this have to do with an email client, other than nothing at all? Do you know how email works?
Reply by ●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:> +1 on Thunderbird. > I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd rather use TBird. How did you do that?
Reply by ●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On 23.11.21 21.11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote: >> +1 on Thunderbird. >> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ... > > I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, > but I'd rather use TBird. How did you do that?Create an account for Gmail, set incoming server to imap.gmail.com, port 993. -- -TV
Reply by ●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:11:41 PM UTC-4, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote: > > +1 on Thunderbird. > > I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ... > > I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, > but I'd rather use TBird. How did you do that?You can access Gmail as a POP3 server or you can have Gmail forward your mail to an existing server. You can set up filters to forward the mail to different destinations. Gmail is very versatile. I use it as an intermediate to filter the junk. It does a great job of catching the total crap stuff, but when it makes a mistake I've yet to find a way to have it send that email on transparently. It always shows up in my email as forwarded from the Gmail account. Fortunately it's not so often. Again, filters can be set to not label as spam the good stuff. -- Rick C. +- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging +- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On 23/11/21 19:11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote: >> +1 on Thunderbird. >> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ... > > I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd > rather use TBird. How did you do that?Either via pop3 or imap. I prefer imap since it allows me to keep emails both on the server and my local machine. Local machine as a backup and quick searching, server for on-the-road access and more complex searches.
Reply by ●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 2:11:41 PM UTC-5, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote: > > +1 on Thunderbird. > > I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ... > > I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, > but I'd rather use TBird. How did you do that?I just installed the latest version of Tbird on a clean W10 OS. Tbird will ask if you want to link to an existing account and when you type in the gmail address it will set the service (imap) and ports and certificate settings correctly Or google the question and mozilla help page will appear and guide you through the steps for either a POP or IMAP service. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-gmail -J
