Reply by Bob Engelhardt●November 26, 20212021-11-26
On 11/23/2021 2:11 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
>> +1 on Thunderbird.
>> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
>
> I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser,
> but I'd rather use TBird. How did you do that?
On 11/23/2021 2:45 PM, Tauno Voipio wrote:
> Create an account for Gmail, set incoming server to
> imap.gmail.com, port 993.
On 11/23/2021 4:16 PM, Rick C wrote:
> You can access Gmail as a POP3 server or you can have Gmail forward
your mail to an existing server. ...
On 11/23/2021 4:38 PM, Three Jeeps wrote:
> I just installed the latest version of Tbird on a clean W10 OS.
Tbird will ask if you want to link to an existing account and when you
type in the gmail address it will set the service (imap) and ports and
certificate settings correctly
> Or google the question and mozilla help page will appear and guide
you through the steps for either a POP or IMAP service.
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-gmail
> -J
>
Thank you, guys.
Reply by Cydrome Leader●November 25, 20212021-11-25
Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> wrote:
> On 25/11/21 12:08 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>> Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 5:33:55 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 19:11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>>>>> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
>>>>>> +1 on Thunderbird.
>>>>>> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd
>>>>> rather use TBird. How did you do that?
>>>> Either via pop3 or imap.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer imap since it allows me to keep emails both on the server
>>>> and my local machine. Local machine as a backup and quick searching,
>>>> server for on-the-road access and more complex searches.
>>>
>>> POP3 does not require removing emails from the server. I don't find that so useful because I can't see my replies. No interface I know of saves your outgoing email as outgoing and displays it that way. So I use my laptop unless it's an emergency. Laptops work pretty well on the road.
>>
>> pop3 is truly obsolete garbage. It doesn't support folders
>
> It's not a mail storage protocol, so it has no need for folders.
> It's only a store&forward buffer for inbound email.
>
> The only purpose for leaving your email on a POP server is if you need
> to pick it up from more than one device, like your phone and your PC.
Wait, why would anyone want to access the same email from multiple places,
like at home and on the go? It makes no sense. Pop3 forever!
Reply by Cydrome Leader●November 25, 20212021-11-25
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 9:08:51 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>> Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 5:33:55 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> >> On 23/11/21 19:11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>> >> > On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
>> >> >> +1 on Thunderbird.
>> >> >> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
>> >> >
>> >> > I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd
>> >> > rather use TBird. How did you do that?
>> >> Either via pop3 or imap.
>> >>
>> >> I prefer imap since it allows me to keep emails both on the server
>> >> and my local machine. Local machine as a backup and quick searching,
>> >> server for on-the-road access and more complex searches.
>> >
>> > POP3 does not require removing emails from the server. I don't find that so useful because I can't see my replies. No interface I know of saves your outgoing email as outgoing and displays it that way. So I use my laptop unless it's an emergency. Laptops work pretty well on the road.
>> pop3 is truly obsolete garbage. It doesn't support folders so you can't
>> even have a sent and received folder. IMAP does allow for this and I've
>> had what's essentially an incoming and outgoing type folder visible from
>> any mail client anywhere for over 20 years. Make the switch to IMAP and
>> never look back. Just don't use google for email. They do a terrible job
>> at all parts of it.
>
> What does the mail transfer protocol have to do with folders??? I use POP3 exclusively and have dozens of folders for mail if not hundreds.
> In Eudora I use folders for topics. Sent and received emails are mixed in those folders
> clearly indicated as to which is which. I have one incoming folder which receives email
> until it is sorted into folders as I have one outgoing folder to hold outbound email until it
> is sorted. It would be truly absurd to keep incoming and outgoing emails is separate folders
> for the same conversations.
I'm glad you like data processing your email manually, then storing it in one inaccessible
place. Say Santa brings you a new smart phone for Christmas. How do you find that important
receipt that was emailed to you in 2019 with your new phone?
Reply by Clifford Heath●November 24, 20212021-11-24
On 25/11/21 12:08 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 5:33:55 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 19:11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>>>> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
>>>>> +1 on Thunderbird.
>>>>> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
>>>>
>>>> I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd
>>>> rather use TBird. How did you do that?
>>> Either via pop3 or imap.
>>>
>>> I prefer imap since it allows me to keep emails both on the server
>>> and my local machine. Local machine as a backup and quick searching,
>>> server for on-the-road access and more complex searches.
>>
>> POP3 does not require removing emails from the server. I don't find that so useful because I can't see my replies. No interface I know of saves your outgoing email as outgoing and displays it that way. So I use my laptop unless it's an emergency. Laptops work pretty well on the road.
>
> pop3 is truly obsolete garbage. It doesn't support folders
It's not a mail storage protocol, so it has no need for folders.
It's only a store&forward buffer for inbound email.
The only purpose for leaving your email on a POP server is if you need
to pick it up from more than one device, like your phone and your PC.
Reply by Rick C●November 24, 20212021-11-24
On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 9:08:51 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 5:33:55 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
> >> On 23/11/21 19:11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> >> > On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
> >> >> +1 on Thunderbird.
> >> >> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
> >> >
> >> > I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd
> >> > rather use TBird. How did you do that?
> >> Either via pop3 or imap.
> >>
> >> I prefer imap since it allows me to keep emails both on the server
> >> and my local machine. Local machine as a backup and quick searching,
> >> server for on-the-road access and more complex searches.
> >
> > POP3 does not require removing emails from the server. I don't find that so useful because I can't see my replies. No interface I know of saves your outgoing email as outgoing and displays it that way. So I use my laptop unless it's an emergency. Laptops work pretty well on the road.
> pop3 is truly obsolete garbage. It doesn't support folders so you can't
> even have a sent and received folder. IMAP does allow for this and I've
> had what's essentially an incoming and outgoing type folder visible from
> any mail client anywhere for over 20 years. Make the switch to IMAP and
> never look back. Just don't use google for email. They do a terrible job
> at all parts of it.
What does the mail transfer protocol have to do with folders??? I use POP3 exclusively and have dozens of folders for mail if not hundreds.
In Eudora I use folders for topics. Sent and received emails are mixed in those folders clearly indicated as to which is which. I have one incoming folder which receives email until it is sorted into folders as I have one outgoing folder to hold outbound email until it is sorted. It would be truly absurd to keep incoming and outgoing emails is separate folders for the same conversations.
--
Rick C.
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Reply by Cydrome Leader●November 24, 20212021-11-24
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 5:33:55 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 19:11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>> > On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
>> >> +1 on Thunderbird.
>> >> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
>> >
>> > I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd
>> > rather use TBird. How did you do that?
>> Either via pop3 or imap.
>>
>> I prefer imap since it allows me to keep emails both on the server
>> and my local machine. Local machine as a backup and quick searching,
>> server for on-the-road access and more complex searches.
>
> POP3 does not require removing emails from the server. I don't find that so useful because I can't see my replies. No interface I know of saves your outgoing email as outgoing and displays it that way. So I use my laptop unless it's an emergency. Laptops work pretty well on the road.
pop3 is truly obsolete garbage. It doesn't support folders so you can't
even have a sent and received folder. IMAP does allow for this and I've
had what's essentially an incoming and outgoing type folder visible from
any mail client anywhere for over 20 years. Make the switch to IMAP and
never look back. Just don't use google for email. They do a terrible job
at all parts of it.
Reply by Rick C●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 5:33:55 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 23/11/21 19:11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> > On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
> >> +1 on Thunderbird.
> >> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
> >
> > I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd
> > rather use TBird. How did you do that?
> Either via pop3 or imap.
>
> I prefer imap since it allows me to keep emails both on the server
> and my local machine. Local machine as a backup and quick searching,
> server for on-the-road access and more complex searches.
POP3 does not require removing emails from the server. I don't find that so useful because I can't see my replies. No interface I know of saves your outgoing email as outgoing and displays it that way. So I use my laptop unless it's an emergency. Laptops work pretty well on the road.
--
Rick C.
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Reply by Three Jeeps●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:02:32 AM UTC-5, legg wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 15:09:32 -0800, John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>
> >> It does most everything wrong.
> >>
> >> Just in case nobody noticed.
> >>
> >
> >I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine.
> >
> >It isn't perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail!
> >
> >John :-#)#
> I moved my mother's machine from Outlook to Mozilla's
> Thunderbird, when her machine got updated to W7 by her
> Techie. I'm only there once or twice a year, fixing
> things and backing them up.
>
> With the pandemic, I missed three trips and her Thunderbird
> stopped sending (or was it receiving?)mail last June. There
> were a couple of suggestions to fix this, involving compacting
> (empty) folders.There were also restore points and a full
> back-up.
>
> Instead of fixing it, her Techie updated her machine again,
> this time to W10 (trashing most of the 3rd party SW and
> licenses) and left her using her ISP's Webmail ( a version
> of 'Zimba' ?).
>
> I made the trip this fall, in the slow traffic season, when
> everyone had their shots and the going was good.
>
> Got the Mozilla parts working again (Seamonkey plus a
> stand-alone Thunderbird) after ripping out Edge, Cortana
> and replacing most of the desktop graphics with a legacy-like
> start menu and desktop with background. Retrieving files from
> the Zimba(?) interface wasn't simple.
>
> For the W10 desktop, had to rustle up links to most of the
> familiar windows functions, so that they could be included
> in a structured start menu, with sub-foldered categories.
> W10 wouldn't even recognize licensed CDs of Word or Excel.
> Reinstalled the ripped-out Open Office.
>
> Funny thing - after using Powershell to uninstall 'Edge',
> the W10 search function could no longer find the Powershell
> utility, using its search function. Had to create my own link
> in the revised start menue, to use it again for Cortana and
> other crap.
>
> Restore points made for each major change and a full back up.
> I've been rather insistent that she get a new techie, because
> most of this stuff is getting beyond me and that moron only
> seems to know how to re-install the OS.
>
> RL
> RL
You may want to consider using TeamViewer (free for personal use) or a similar product to remotely manage the machine. Remote desktop will also work but it is not part of a W10 home edition installation.
I use TeamViewer a lot and like it - it does have a few quirks but able to live with I think.
J
Reply by Three Jeeps●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 2:11:41 PM UTC-5, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
> > +1 on Thunderbird.
> > I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
>
> I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser,
> but I'd rather use TBird. How did you do that?
I just installed the latest version of Tbird on a clean W10 OS. Tbird will ask if you want to link to an existing account and when you type in the gmail address it will set the service (imap) and ports and certificate settings correctly
Or google the question and mozilla help page will appear and guide you through the steps for either a POP or IMAP service.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-gmail
-J
Reply by Tom Gardner●November 23, 20212021-11-23
On 23/11/21 19:11, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Three Jeeps wrote:
>> +1 on Thunderbird.
>> I use it as a client to gmail - works seamlessly, ...
>
> I use TBird & have a Gmail account that I access with my web browser, but I'd
> rather use TBird. How did you do that?
Either via pop3 or imap.
I prefer imap since it allows me to keep emails both on the server
and my local machine. Local machine as a backup and quick searching,
server for on-the-road access and more complex searches.