Legal definitions of homicide in the US and applicability to the accidental shooting on the 'Rust' movie set

 Decaying Zombie: 
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> >>
> >> > ** That the live round was detectable by eye or weight. 
> >> 
> >> ALL "DUMMY" rounds have BBs in place of the powder 
> > 
> > ** Bullshit.
>
> What is bullshit, jackass? That they have the exact projectiles in 
> them, or that they replace the powder with BBs? 

**  The word " ALL"  and the latter.

> > Many are quite identical. 
> 
> They are meant to look EXACTLY identical

** Hence the issue. 

> > Google the term. 
> 
> I do not need to.

** You do,  modified rounds with no powder are on open sale.

> > Pics of the actual rounds are on line.
>
> Not any that are used in US film and television production sets. 
> NO actual rounds are supposed to be on any set period. ONLY dummy 
> rounds. 

**  Pics of the actual 5 rounds from Alec's gun.

  
> Easy to ID for anyone on the set. 

** Bullshit. 
Not anyone and not easy. 

You are a LIAR .

......  Phil 

On 11/9/2021 4:23 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
> John Simpleton wrote:
> =================
>>>
>>>> I am certainly not qualified to judge who was responsible for the movie
>>>> shooting. I just know that had a gun been handed to me on a movie set, I
>>>> would have instinctively checked to see if it was loaded with the proper
>>>> ammo.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ** A task the New Mexico DA said she would have likely failed at - though aware of their being a rogue round in the gun.
>>> This IS a kinda crucial fact.
>>>
>>> One that must be ignored, according to you.
>>>
>>>
>> In what way have I indicated to ignore some fact?
> 
> **  That the live round was detectable by eye or weight.


If they look like live rounds and the difference between them and blanks 
or dummies is undetectable, put them aside and get blanks or dummies 
from a trusted source. But as DLUNU
pointed out, the dummies have BBs (or equivalent) replacing the powder. 
Shake one and listen for the sound. Also, blanks are easily detectable.

It is easy to detect a live round. The girl was just untrained and 
didn't recognize it as a live round.


>> You're saying that the New Mexico DA was aware of a rogue round in the gun?
> 
> **  We all are -  fuckwit.
> 
> .....  Phil
> 

Non sequitur. You just want to be an argumentative asshole.

John Simpleton wrote: 
 ================= 
> >>>
> >>>> I am certainly not qualified to judge who was responsible for the movie 
> >>>> shooting. I just know that had a gun been handed to me on a movie set, I 
> >>>> would have instinctively checked to see if it was loaded with the proper 
> >>>> ammo. 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ** A task the New Mexico DA said she would have likely failed at - though aware of their being a rogue round in the gun. 
> >>> This IS a kinda crucial fact. 
> >>> 
> >>> One that must be ignored, according to you. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> In what way have I indicated to ignore some fact? 
> > 
> > ** That the live round was detectable by eye or weight.
>
> If they look like live rounds and the difference between them and blanks 
> or dummies is undetectable, put them aside and get blanks or dummies 
> from a trusted source.

**  Irrelevant to the question. 

> the dummies have BBs (or equivalent) replacing the powder. 

** False. 
 
> It is easy to detect a live round. 

**  False. 

> >> You're saying that the New Mexico DA was aware of a rogue round in the gun? 
> > 
> > ** We all are - fuckwit. 
> > 
> Non sequitur. 

**  Perfectly true fact. 

> You just want to be an argumentative asshole.

**  ROTFLMAO  -  you just described yourself. 

 .......  Phil 

Phil Allison <notyourpallison49@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8c156c49-b6f7-4b69-9cee-587a1f3bffb2n@googlegroups.com: 

> John Simpleton wrote: 
>  ================= 
snip

>> the dummies have BBs (or equivalent) replacing the powder. 
> 
> ** False. 

  Across the industry and around the world for decades that has been 
the case.
 
>> It is easy to detect a live round. 
> 
> **  False. 

  It most certainly is quite easy, Ollie.
 
>> >> You're saying that the New Mexico DA was aware of a rogue
>> >> round in the gun? 
>> > 
>> > ** We all are - fuckwit. 
>> > 
>> Non sequitur. 
> 
> **  Perfectly true fact. 

  The accident occurred long before ANY DA from anywhere showed up.

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 Decaying Brain Matter
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> > John Simpleton wrote: 
> > ================= 
> snip
> >> the dummies have BBs (or equivalent) replacing the powder. 
> > 
> > ** False.
>
> Across the industry and around the world for decades that has been 
> the case.

**  Bullshit.

> >> It is easy to detect a live round. 
> > 
> > ** False.
> 
> It most certainly is quite easy, Ollie.

**  Only by firing it. 

> >> >> You're saying that the New Mexico DA was aware of a rogue 
> >> >> round in the gun? 
> >> > 
> >> > ** We all are - fuckwit. 
> >> > 
> >> Non sequitur. 
> > 
> > ** Perfectly true fact.
>
> The accident occurred long before ANY DA from anywhere showed up. 

**   ROTFL  -    what a fucking illiterate idiot.



.....  Phil 

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-8, John S wrote:
> On 11/9/2021 4:23 PM, Phil Allison wrote: 
> > John Simpleton wrote: 
> > ================= 
> >>> 
> >>>> I am certainly not qualified to judge who was responsible for the movie 
> >>>> shooting. I just know that had a gun been handed to me on a movie set, I 
> >>>> would have instinctively checked to see if it was loaded with the proper 
> >>>> ammo. 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ** A task the New Mexico DA said she would have likely failed at - though aware of their being a rogue round in the gun. 
> >>> This IS a kinda crucial fact. 
> >>> 
> >>> One that must be ignored, according to you. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> In what way have I indicated to ignore some fact? 
> > 
> > ** That the live round was detectable by eye or weight.
> If they look like live rounds and the difference between them and blanks 
> or dummies is undetectable, put them aside and get blanks or dummies 
> from a trusted source. But as DLUNU 
> pointed out, the dummies have BBs (or equivalent) replacing the powder. 
> Shake one and listen for the sound. Also, blanks are easily detectable. 
> 
> It is easy to detect a live round. The girl was just untrained and 
> didn't recognize it as a live round.
> >> You're saying that the New Mexico DA was aware of a rogue round in the gun? 
> > 
> > ** We all are - fuckwit. 
> > 
> > ..... Phil 
> >
> Non sequitur. You just want to be an argumentative asshole.

You can't tell the difference between a live round and a dummy by just looking at it in a cylinder: it has to be removed from the cylinder and shaken. This was not done by Halls, who only looked at some of the rounds when Gutierreze-Reed spun the cylinder for his inspection. They both should have known that this was inadequate, which the fatal shooting proved.

 Flypoo = Turd 

You can't tell the difference between a live round and a dummy by just looking at it in a cylinder: 
it has to be removed from the cylinder and shaken.


** Made up crap. 

Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:fd3f7f83-c566-4646-a345-c85fa5887fbcn@googlegroups.com: 

> You can't tell the difference between a live round and a dummy by
> just looking at it in a cylinder: it has to be removed from the
> cylinder and shaken. 

  Absolutely not true, putz boy.  Dummy rounds have struck primers.  
Live rounds do not.  In a single action revolver, such as was the case 
here, detection is easy, because looking at the rear of each cartridge 
is easy WITHOUT ANY of your claimed "removal from the cylinder" 
horseshit.

  "Cowboys" always checked their load level by looking at the REAR of 
the cylinder, NOT EVER the front.

  You could not be more stupid if you tried.

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:24:23 PM UTC-4, John S wrote:
> On 11/9/2021 4:23 PM, Phil Allison wrote: 
> >
> Non sequitur. You just want to be an argumentative asshole.

In this case he gets what he wants!  Was that ever in doubt? 

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Rick C.

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