On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 12:13:35 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote: > > > > On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in > > > > > driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. > > > > > > > > > > I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs > > > > > $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed > > > > > freak will hang three on the stern. > > > > > > > > > > I can envision some domestic discord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do know that the classic definition of "boat" is a hole in the water > > > > which you pour money into... > > > > > > Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol. > > > > I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound. > > > > I think it's funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars. > > > > -- > > > > Rick C. > > > > + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging > > + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209 > https://www.purewatercraft.com/ > > I've been told it's eerie going flat out without the (2 cycle) outboard noise.I've never been on an electric boat, but I have been on boats with 4 stroke engines which are quieter than 2 stroke. It's probably a lot like in a car, while the engine doesn't make so much noise, there are other noise sources. My car has foam inserts in the tires reducing road noise so they don't spoil the quiet at highway speeds. I've been on highways where the composition changes and the abrupt noise level change is dramatic. I have an old Master Craft. I wonder if I could get what is needed to convert that? It presently has a Ford 351 Cleveland somewhere around 250 to 300 HP. That's about one Tesla motor. Then it's a matter of stuffing some battery packs in there and cooling it all. -- Rick C. -+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
pretty OT: boats
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On 2020-09-11 12:26, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote: >> On 2020-09-10 11:21, George Herold wrote: >>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>>> Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in >>>> driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. >>>> >>>> I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs >>>> $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed >>>> freak will hang three on the stern. >>>> >>>> I can envision some domestic discord. >>> My brother bought a used 15' motor boat for ~$2.5k >>> Used for fishing andd beer drinking with the boys. >>> (no girls allowed. :^) >>> >> Yeah, with a fibreglass boat you can keep it looking nice for decades. >> My Hobie 16 was 20 years old when I bought it for $1200 and 29 when I >> sold it on eBay for $1k. (I did buy a swoopy new trailer for $750 and a >> new trampoline for $150, so my TCO was about $120 per year not counting >> boatyard space.) > > I'm from a family of planing dinghy sailors, but I once cartwheeled a > Hobie-16 in the Gulf of Mexico. :) > > We were screaming along on in a lively breeze, heeled dangerously hard, > 155# sea salt me in trapeze and 200# noob owner on the trampoline astern at > the helm. I 'bout lost my vocal chords 'requesting' he slack off the > main or luff up a bit, when a wee bitty puff heeled us a mite harder, we buried > the lee bow, the boat stopped instantaneously, and the wire catapulted > me skyward...jolly good fun! > > It looked a bit like this: > https://southern-born-and-bred.blogspot.com/2011/06/wipeout-crew-sent-flying-as-new.html > > Righting the beast in the blow and chop was a bear and we had to do it > over and over, as we'd no sooner get righted than knocked down again > (it took the skipper several tries to grok pointing into the weather > long enough for us to re-board). > > (Also, there was that first delay during the time I needed to stop laughing > hysterically, then convince the first-outing skipper that we weren't actually > going to die.) > > In the end we got the boat up and had a great deal more fun that day before > sailing in, sunburned and smiling. > > Good times! > > Cheers, > James Arthur >I bet that was a good few moons ago. ;) My guys never got the bug--in retrospect I should have got a Laser or a Sunfish or even a Flying Junior to start them off on. Pivoted centreboards are pretty bulletproof, and they're not hard to repair even if you really screw them up, as long as you don't crack the case. _That_ can be a bear to fix. The lower Hudson is really good for sailing--it's wide, there's always wind, and in the summer it's as warm as bath water. I also really liked sailing in Indian Lake in the Adirondacks, where we used to camp on a small island all by ourselves. (The kids missed car camping, where they could always find other kids to play with, but we occasionally brought some of their friends with us.) Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:> Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in > driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. > > I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs > $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed > freak will hang three on the stern. > > I can envision some domestic discord. > > > > -- > > John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk > > The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet. > "Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"If you drive around you will also see A LOT of cars parked in driveways, because that is WHERE they are parked when not in use. How many boats do you see in driveways that ARE in use? Answer: NONE. Boats aren't used as often as cars - that is the nature of boats. That DOESN'T mean they are NEVER used. I have an aircraft that spends MOST of its time on the ground; this year, do to COVID, it only spent 125 hours actually in the air (out of about 6,000). But if you drive by my airport you will see it tied down, day after day.
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:53:34 -0700 (PDT), George Herold <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:>On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 7:35:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT), George Herold >> <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote: >> >> > On 2020-09-10 11:21, George Herold wrote: >> >> > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >> >> > >> Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in >> >> > >> driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs >> >> > >> $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed >> >> > >> freak will hang three on the stern. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> I can envision some domestic discord. >> >> > > My brother bought a used 15' motor boat for ~$2.5k >> >> > > Used for fishing andd beer drinking with the boys. >> >> > > (no girls allowed. :^) >> >> > > >> >> > Yeah, with a fibreglass boat you can keep it looking nice for decades. >> >> > My Hobie 16 was 20 years old when I bought it for $1200 and 29 when I >> >> > sold it on eBay for $1k. (I did buy a swoopy new trailer for $750 and a >> >> > new trampoline for $150, so my TCO was about $120 per year not counting >> >> > boatyard space.) >> >> >> >> I'm from a family of planing dinghy sailors, but I once cartwheeled a >> >> Hobie-16 in the Gulf of Mexico. :) >> >> >> >> We were screaming along on in a lively breeze, heeled dangerously hard, >> >> 155# sea salt me in trapeze and 200# noob owner on the trampoline astern at >> >> the helm. I 'bout lost my vocal chords 'requesting' he slack off the >> >> main or luff up a bit, when a wee bitty puff heeled us a mite harder, we buried >> >> the lee bow, the boat stopped instantaneously, and the wire catapulted >> >> me skyward...jolly good fun! >> >> >> >> It looked a bit like this: >> >> https://southern-born-and-bred.blogspot.com/2011/06/wipeout-crew-sent-flying-as-new.html >> >Yikes, fun as long as you don't get banged by the boom. >> >The only ~sunfish* mishap I recall vividly is when we planted >> >the front half in a wave... boat on a broad reach. For a moment >> >I thought the boat was going to pop up backwards, but after coming >> >to a dead stop it mangled to shrug off the wave and continue on. >> >(slightly different tack afterwards :^) >> > >> >George H. >> > >> > >> >*it was a bit bigger than a sunfish and no cockpit. >> >> >> >> Righting the beast in the blow and chop was a bear and we had to do it >> >> over and over, as we'd no sooner get righted than knocked down again >> >> (it took the skipper several tries to grok pointing into the weather >> >> long enough for us to re-board). >> >> >> >> (Also, there was that first delay during the time I needed to stop laughing >> >> hysterically, then convince the first-outing skipper that we weren't actually >> >> going to die.) >> >> >> >> In the end we got the boat up and had a great deal more fun that day before >> >> sailing in, sunburned and smiling. >> >> >> >> Good times! >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> James Arthur >> >> In Lake Pontchartrain, if you flip a sunfish mid-lake, you can stick >> the mast in the bottom. Makes it hard to flip it back over. Then you >> have to clean the mud out of the rigging. >> >> As they say, the lake is bottomless; it just gets thicker as you go >> down. >> >> And as they say, it's a good place to be from. >Grin, Well 'round here if you can swim down and touch the plants >or mud on the bottom we call it a pond, or wet lands if it drys >out in the summer. :^) > >Did the shallow bottom lead to big waves?No, Lake P was pretty placid, a huge 12-foot-deep saucer. The real danger was a thunderstorm sneaking up on drunken sailors. Guy I know killed a girl when a storm snuck up while they were swimming. His anchor line was too short, it pulled out, and the boat took off and left the swimmers behind. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
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On 9/12/2020 9:20 PM, Flyguy wrote:> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: >> Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in >> driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. >> >> I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs >> $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed >> freak will hang three on the stern. >> >> I can envision some domestic discord. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk >> >> The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet. >> "Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason" > > If you drive around you will also see A LOT of cars parked in driveways, because that is WHERE they are parked when not in use. How many boats do you see in driveways that ARE in use? Answer: NONE. > > Boats aren't used as often as cars - that is the nature of boats. That DOESN'T mean they are NEVER used. I have an aircraft that spends MOST of its time on the ground; this year, do to COVID, it only spent 125 hours actually in the air (out of about 6,000). But if you drive by my airport you will see it tied down, day after day. >I had a neighbor who bought a boat and never took it out. At least I don't remember it doing anything but sitting in his yard. Bill
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On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 12:20:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: > > Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in > > driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. > > > > I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs > > $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed > > freak will hang three on the stern. > > > > I can envision some domestic discord. > > If you drive around you will also see A LOT of cars parked in driveways, because that is WHERE they are parked when not in use.Apparently cars spend 95% of their time parked. This has lead to a tolerably serious proposal that batteries in parked electric cars could be used as back-storage for the power network, to help it cope with the non-dispatchable nature of wind- and solar-power. Rick C doesn't think much of the idea, but it got aired back in 2008 in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot,_Flat,_and_Crowded and hasn't been shot down since then.> How many boats do you see in driveways that ARE in use? Answer: NONE. > > Boats aren't used as often as cars - that is the nature of boats. That DOESN'T mean they are NEVER used. I have an aircraft that spends MOST of its time on the ground; this year, do to COVID, it only spent 125 hours actually in the air (out of about 6,000). But if you drive by my airport you will see it tied down, day after day.Flyguy gets something right for once. I'm amazed. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:20:12 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:>On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: >> Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in >> driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. >> >> I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs >> $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed >> freak will hang three on the stern. >> >> I can envision some domestic discord. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk >> >> The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet. >> "Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason" > >If you drive around you will also see A LOT of cars parked in driveways, because that is WHERE they are parked when not in use. How many boats do you see in driveways that ARE in use? Answer: NONE.But I see a lot of cars on the road too. I see very few of those anywhere but in the driveway. I know one guy who had his power boat shrink-wrapped to protect it from the elements and critters. It hasn't been moved in years. His wife isn't happy about any of that. I see a lot more off-road vehicles being towed than I see boats. Yesterday on I80 we passed the biggest pickup truck I've ever seen. In the bed was the biggest off-road jeepy thing that I've ever seen. The tires were about as tall as my car.> >Boats aren't used as often as cars - that is the nature of boats. That DOESN'T mean they are NEVER used. I have an aircraft that spends MOST of its time on the ground; this year, do to COVID, it only spent 125 hours actually in the air (out of about 6,000). But if you drive by my airport you will see it tied down, day after day.If you're going to get enthusiastic for something and then get tired of it, make it something small. Like an oscilloscope maybe. What kind of scope do you have? -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
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On 2020-09-12 22:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:53:34 -0700 (PDT), George Herold > <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 7:35:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT), George Herold >>> <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>>> On 2020-09-10 11:21, George Herold wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in >>>>>>>> driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs >>>>>>>> $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed >>>>>>>> freak will hang three on the stern. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can envision some domestic discord. >>>>>>> My brother bought a used 15' motor boat for ~$2.5k >>>>>>> Used for fishing andd beer drinking with the boys. >>>>>>> (no girls allowed. :^) >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, with a fibreglass boat you can keep it looking nice for decades. >>>>>> My Hobie 16 was 20 years old when I bought it for $1200 and 29 when I >>>>>> sold it on eBay for $1k. (I did buy a swoopy new trailer for $750 and a >>>>>> new trampoline for $150, so my TCO was about $120 per year not counting >>>>>> boatyard space.) >>>>> >>>>> I'm from a family of planing dinghy sailors, but I once cartwheeled a >>>>> Hobie-16 in the Gulf of Mexico. :) >>>>> >>>>> We were screaming along on in a lively breeze, heeled dangerously hard, >>>>> 155# sea salt me in trapeze and 200# noob owner on the trampoline astern at >>>>> the helm. I 'bout lost my vocal chords 'requesting' he slack off the >>>>> main or luff up a bit, when a wee bitty puff heeled us a mite harder, we buried >>>>> the lee bow, the boat stopped instantaneously, and the wire catapulted >>>>> me skyward...jolly good fun! >>>>> >>>>> It looked a bit like this: >>>>> https://southern-born-and-bred.blogspot.com/2011/06/wipeout-crew-sent-flying-as-new.html >>>> Yikes, fun as long as you don't get banged by the boom. >>>> The only ~sunfish* mishap I recall vividly is when we planted >>>> the front half in a wave... boat on a broad reach. For a moment >>>> I thought the boat was going to pop up backwards, but after coming >>>> to a dead stop it mangled to shrug off the wave and continue on. >>>> (slightly different tack afterwards :^) >>>> >>>> George H. >>>> >>>> >>>> *it was a bit bigger than a sunfish and no cockpit. >>>>> >>>>> Righting the beast in the blow and chop was a bear and we had to do it >>>>> over and over, as we'd no sooner get righted than knocked down again >>>>> (it took the skipper several tries to grok pointing into the weather >>>>> long enough for us to re-board). >>>>> >>>>> (Also, there was that first delay during the time I needed to stop laughing >>>>> hysterically, then convince the first-outing skipper that we weren't actually >>>>> going to die.) >>>>> >>>>> In the end we got the boat up and had a great deal more fun that day before >>>>> sailing in, sunburned and smiling. >>>>> >>>>> Good times! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> James Arthur >>> >>> In Lake Pontchartrain, if you flip a sunfish mid-lake, you can stick >>> the mast in the bottom. Makes it hard to flip it back over. Then you >>> have to clean the mud out of the rigging. >>> >>> As they say, the lake is bottomless; it just gets thicker as you go >>> down. >>> >>> And as they say, it's a good place to be from. >> Grin, Well 'round here if you can swim down and touch the plants >> or mud on the bottom we call it a pond, or wet lands if it drys >> out in the summer. :^) >> >> Did the shallow bottom lead to big waves? > > No, Lake P was pretty placid, a huge 12-foot-deep saucer. The real > danger was a thunderstorm sneaking up on drunken sailors. Guy I know > killed a girl when a storm snuck up while they were swimming. His > anchor line was too short, it pulled out, and the boat took off and > left the swimmers behind. > > >Yikes, they left the sails up? Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
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On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 10:25:43 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 12:20:17 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: > > > Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in > > > driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. > > > > > > I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs > > > $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed > > > freak will hang three on the stern. > > > > > > I can envision some domestic discord. > > > > If you drive around you will also see A LOT of cars parked in driveways, because that is WHERE they are parked when not in use. > > Apparently cars spend 95% of their time parked. This has lead to a tolerably serious proposal that batteries in parked electric cars could be used as back-storage for the power network, to help it cope with the non-dispatchable nature of wind- and solar-power. > > Rick C doesn't think much of the idea, but it got aired back in 2008 in > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot,_Flat,_and_Crowded > > and hasn't been shot down since then.You mischaracterize my opinion. I simply pointed out that the marginal cost of using auto batteries are quite high given that they are in autos, devices that are expensive without the battery. While in theory a battery can be replaced in an auto, the cost of that will not make the marginal cost of using the battery for not transportation uses significantly less since they are "captive" devices, only purchased from the automaker. So if a fair market is establishes where informed sellers can offer their batteries to informed buyers, I think the high cost of auto batteries will make them much less useful (more expensive) than simply the utilities owning the batteries they use for grid peak supply and arbitrage. I did concede that there might be a limited market for such a market which depends on the highest prices paid at peak times. I have seen marginal rates exceed 10x price of normal electricity. However that will be some time off since even that portion of the market would be profitable for wholly owned batteries as shown by the many installations that are designed to do just that. The idea of a market selling electrical storage in the form of auto batteries requires there being a premium paid for the service at a price higher than the actual cost of the wear on the battery. Much like many market, there has to be a significant profit motive to the car owner (with the key word being "significant") and it would be more profitable for the utilities to simply own the capacity themselves. But you failed to see that aspect of the issue claiming everything is for sale, in essence. I don't dispute the fact that this is true, I dispute the willingness of a auto owner to put wear on the most expensive part of the car without a sizable profit which the utility would be better off putting in their own pockets.> > How many boats do you see in driveways that ARE in use? Answer: NONE. > > > > Boats aren't used as often as cars - that is the nature of boats. That DOESN'T mean they are NEVER used. I have an aircraft that spends MOST of its time on the ground; this year, do to COVID, it only spent 125 hours actually in the air (out of about 6,000). But if you drive by my airport you will see it tied down, day after day. > > Flyguy gets something right for once. I'm amazed.Only because it is much like something he already has taken a position on, owning an airplane which gets relatively little use. Otherwise he would have a hard time seeing this much like Larkin. I wish most boats were never used. They seem to be getting a lot of use this weekend for sure. 80° and sunny today with lots of boats out of the driveway here. -- Rick C. -++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 12:38:33 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:>On 2020-09-12 22:20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:53:34 -0700 (PDT), George Herold >> <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 7:35:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT), George Herold >>>> <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>>>> On 2020-09-10 11:21, George Herold wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in >>>>>>>>> driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs >>>>>>>>> $1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed >>>>>>>>> freak will hang three on the stern. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can envision some domestic discord. >>>>>>>> My brother bought a used 15' motor boat for ~$2.5k >>>>>>>> Used for fishing andd beer drinking with the boys. >>>>>>>> (no girls allowed. :^) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, with a fibreglass boat you can keep it looking nice for decades. >>>>>>> My Hobie 16 was 20 years old when I bought it for $1200 and 29 when I >>>>>>> sold it on eBay for $1k. (I did buy a swoopy new trailer for $750 and a >>>>>>> new trampoline for $150, so my TCO was about $120 per year not counting >>>>>>> boatyard space.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm from a family of planing dinghy sailors, but I once cartwheeled a >>>>>> Hobie-16 in the Gulf of Mexico. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> We were screaming along on in a lively breeze, heeled dangerously hard, >>>>>> 155# sea salt me in trapeze and 200# noob owner on the trampoline astern at >>>>>> the helm. I 'bout lost my vocal chords 'requesting' he slack off the >>>>>> main or luff up a bit, when a wee bitty puff heeled us a mite harder, we buried >>>>>> the lee bow, the boat stopped instantaneously, and the wire catapulted >>>>>> me skyward...jolly good fun! >>>>>> >>>>>> It looked a bit like this: >>>>>> https://southern-born-and-bred.blogspot.com/2011/06/wipeout-crew-sent-flying-as-new.html >>>>> Yikes, fun as long as you don't get banged by the boom. >>>>> The only ~sunfish* mishap I recall vividly is when we planted >>>>> the front half in a wave... boat on a broad reach. For a moment >>>>> I thought the boat was going to pop up backwards, but after coming >>>>> to a dead stop it mangled to shrug off the wave and continue on. >>>>> (slightly different tack afterwards :^) >>>>> >>>>> George H. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *it was a bit bigger than a sunfish and no cockpit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Righting the beast in the blow and chop was a bear and we had to do it >>>>>> over and over, as we'd no sooner get righted than knocked down again >>>>>> (it took the skipper several tries to grok pointing into the weather >>>>>> long enough for us to re-board). >>>>>> >>>>>> (Also, there was that first delay during the time I needed to stop laughing >>>>>> hysterically, then convince the first-outing skipper that we weren't actually >>>>>> going to die.) >>>>>> >>>>>> In the end we got the boat up and had a great deal more fun that day before >>>>>> sailing in, sunburned and smiling. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good times! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> James Arthur >>>> >>>> In Lake Pontchartrain, if you flip a sunfish mid-lake, you can stick >>>> the mast in the bottom. Makes it hard to flip it back over. Then you >>>> have to clean the mud out of the rigging. >>>> >>>> As they say, the lake is bottomless; it just gets thicker as you go >>>> down. >>>> >>>> And as they say, it's a good place to be from. >>> Grin, Well 'round here if you can swim down and touch the plants >>> or mud on the bottom we call it a pond, or wet lands if it drys >>> out in the summer. :^) >>> >>> Did the shallow bottom lead to big waves? >> >> No, Lake P was pretty placid, a huge 12-foot-deep saucer. The real >> danger was a thunderstorm sneaking up on drunken sailors. Guy I know >> killed a girl when a storm snuck up while they were swimming. His >> anchor line was too short, it pulled out, and the boat took off and >> left the swimmers behind. >> >> >> >Yikes, they left the sails up? > >Cheers > >Phil HobbsKnowing Bill, probably so. He managed to catch onto the anchor line and eventually pulled himself into the boat, got control, and motored back. Too late for one girl. We used to sit on the lake levee and watch thunderstorms sweep in, a vertical wall of water and lightning. Then sit in the refreshing warm rain. I miss thunderstorms; we don't get them here. But the skiing is better, and a blizzard can be interesting too. SF is cold and very foggy today. It doesn't smell smokey. Maybe a little smoke makes nucleation centers for the fog. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ehra0oalj1jmgv1/Fog_9_13_2020.JPG?raw=1 Real smelly smoke on I80 yesterday: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8veqz9biaajn4r3/Smoke_Lincoin.jpg?raw=1 It was like that all the way from the mountains to the coast. Interesting times. Today's New York Times has a bunch of stuff about the west coast fires and forest (mis)management. People are beginning to admit some things. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
