On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:33:48 -0700) it happened jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <tqppefhnb1alqujpde1evj0mtnh10rfdvm@4ax.com>:>On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >>On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>> >>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>> >>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human history, >>>> probably. >>> >>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>> >>> >>> >> >>Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>to authority by nature; > >That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence.Enrico Fermi was an Italian Madame Cury was French You simply bought your scientists when the dollar was still coupled to gold. Now since Nixon it is not and massively printing paper .. people seem to be hoarding tissue paper too. Worth nothing But you now have Elon, I have read he is from S Africa though..
scientists as superstars
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On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:11:25 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in <bfdqefdtnvejm3uva4v8hrgpkjtd495a02@4ax.com>:> >R has studied DT a lot more than I have. He is a thinker. Both of them >I guess. > >All successful companies have a few Big Thinkers.I think it is spelled 'sinker'? What is left of his followers after they discover most of his brain has switched off because of the 'medicine' he takes, will probably die of corona due to keeping no distance at all in his campaign. Nature has its ways and laws.
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On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:09:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:>On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:33:48 -0700) it happened >jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in ><tqppefhnb1alqujpde1evj0mtnh10rfdvm@4ax.com>: > >>On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>>On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>> >>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>> >>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human history, >>>>> probably. >>>> >>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>to authority by nature; >> >>That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >>airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >>reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. > >Enrico Fermi was an Italian >Madame Cury was French > >You simply bought your scientists when the dollar was still coupled to gold. > >Now since Nixon it is not and massively printing paper .. people seem to be hoarding >tissue paper too. >Worth nothing > >But you now have Elon, I have read he is from S Africa though.. >People have always come to the US for a fresh beginning and a chance to do what they can without being dragged down by old establishments. The native Americans were the first. For some reason, Canada and Australia and Brazil didn't get that scientific and invention immigration. I guess there is enough positive feedback that one technology center prospers around a nucleus, like MIT and then Stanford. The selective migration to the US - the most adventurous, most irrelevant, most unmanageable, most creative, sometimes most criminal - people emigrated here. That created what we are, for better or worse. And to some extent it brain-drained the rest of the world of creative people. Anti-semitism and anti-Protestant movements and potato famines sure didn't help Europe keep talent. Of course, some people came here involuntarily. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
Reply by ●June 20, 20202020-06-20
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 11:00:46 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:> On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:49:20 -0700) it happened > jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in > <4cgpef95gf0q0tblgun6dvl3b98iqptnsb@4ax.com>: > > >https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ > > > >That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, > >adoration from movie stars. > > It is good if people get interested in science. > > Making idols of some scientists is not so good, > a typical example is Albert OneStone > > Politics, after WW2 Jews needed a bit of a hero, and OneStone's theory was 'proven' over and over again, to the point where if your thing conflicted with it you simply did not get published.Albert Einstein was famous long before WW2 started, and the basis of his fame was the four papers he published in 1905 - on the photo-electric effect, which took Plank's quantised energy and used it to explain what was going on, on Brownian motion (which was the first real evidence that discrete atoms and molecules act as discrete articles) the special theory of relativity (which is probably what Jan think's of as Einstein's "theory", even though it was only a precusor to the general theory, which was the big one), and the paper on mass-energy equivalence.> Now OneSTone was a total failure, his 'theory' is just a bit of math that describes reality, but has been shown to break down, and you cannot PROVE a theory but can sure disprove it.Jan Panteltje doesn't know what he is talking about. Einstein did fail to unite quantum theory with general relativity, but that is the kind of heroic failure that lesser mortals can't even aspire to. His theory was a whole lot better than anything we'd had before, and nothing has replaced it. <snip> -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●June 20, 20202020-06-20
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:00:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:>On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:49:20 -0700) it happened >jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in ><4cgpef95gf0q0tblgun6dvl3b98iqptnsb@4ax.com>: > >> >>https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >> >>That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>adoration from movie stars. > >It is good if people get interested in science. > >Making idols of some scientists is not so good, >a typical example is Albert OneStone > >Politics, after WW2 Jews needed a bit of a hero, and OneStone's theory was 'proven' >over and over again, to the point where if your thing conflicted with it you simply did not get published. >Now OneSTone was a total failure, his 'theory' is just a bit of math that describes reality, >but has been shown to break down, and you cannot PROVE a theory but can sure disprove it.Gravitational lensing, relativity, E=MC^2, gravity waves, stimulated emission, quantized photoemission, pretty good ideas from a young patent office clerk. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
Reply by ●June 20, 20202020-06-20
On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 11:09:34 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:> On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:33:48 -0700) it happened > jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in > <tqppefhnb1alqujpde1evj0mtnh10rfdvm@4ax.com>: > > >On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > > > >>On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ > >>>>> > >>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, > >>>>> adoration from movie stars. > >>>> > >>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more > >>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. > >>>> > >>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; > >>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every > >>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human history, > >>>> probably. > >>> > >>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame > >>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. > >> > >>Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential > >>to authority by nature; > > > >That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, > >airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear > >reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. > > Enrico Fermi was an Italian > Madame Cury was FrenchActually Polish, but she did marry a Frenchman> You simply bought your scientists when the dollar was still coupled to gold.Nobody bought Marie Curie. Enrico Fermi moved to America in 1938 because his wife was Jewish, and the Italian Fascists had copied the German Nazi habit of being unkind to Jews - the value of the US dollar didn't come into it. <snipped the rest of the nonsense> -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 12:52:11 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:09:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje > <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:33:48 -0700) it happened > >jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in > ><tqppefhnb1alqujpde1evj0mtnh10rfdvm@4ax.com>: > > > >>On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> > >>>On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > >>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:<snip>> People have always come to the US for a fresh beginning and a chance > to do what they can without being dragged down by old establishments.That's one way of describing religious nutters who wanted to be exceedingly unkind to people who didn't share their bizarre beliefs in ways that more civilised countries didn't tolerate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_martyrs> The native Americans were the first.Some 14,000 years ago, long before there was any kind of "establishment" anywhere to drag them down.> For some reason, Canada and Australia and Brazil didn't get that > scientific and invention immigration.They did, but the kind of books you read don't tell you about it.> I guess there is enough positive feedback that one technology center prospers around a nucleus, like MIT and then Stanford.Or Bell labs?> The selective migration to the US - the most adventurous, most > irrelevant, most unmanageable, most creative, sometimes most criminal > - people emigrated here. That created what we are, for better or > worse. And to some extent it brain-drained the rest of the world of > creative people. Anti-semitism and anti-Protestant movements and > potato famines sure didn't help Europe keep talent.Amazing how Wolfgang Pauli, Paul Dirac, Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg and Erwin Schrödinger failed to get brain-drained. Ernest Rutherford's family had emigrated to New Zealand before he was born, but he moved to Cambridge in the UK after completing his first degree in New Zealand, and he stayed there for the rest of his life (apart from a brief spell in in Canada as a professor at McGill from 1898 to 1907). Lawrence Bragg (whom I once met) was born in Australia, but moved to the UK - rather than the US - once his academic career got underway. As a brain-draining country, the US seems to have missed quite a few quite a few clever people.> Of course, some people came here involuntarily.The Irish potato famine persuaded a lot of Irish people to move elsewhere. They "volunteered" to go anywhere where they could earn enough to eat. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●June 20, 20202020-06-20
On 2020-06-19 21:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 21:23:15 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> On 6/19/2020 8:16 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:39:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/2020 6:11 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:24:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2020 1:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:52:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:46 PM, bitrex wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:33 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>>>>>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>>>>>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human >>>>>>>>>>>>> history, >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>>>>>>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>>>>>>>>> to authority by nature; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >>>>>>>>>> airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >>>>>>>>>> reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Those tended to be invented by individual Americans they weren't some >>>>>>>>> collective effort. I'm sure a large fraction of the US population >>>>>>>>> thought airplanes were straight nonsense until they saw one in the air, >>>>>>>>> and that seemed to be the opinion of the popular press as well. >>>>>>>>> Ridiculous, a total theoretical impossibility! some guy who wasn't an >>>>>>>>> aeronautical scientist or engineer might say. oh. would you look at that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whomever invented BBQ ribs was probably told by many of his compatriots >>>>>>>>> "That'll never sell..." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And then after they saw one millions of the same Americans told their >>>>>>>> friends "Well. you know. I always knew it was possible. I was one of the >>>>>>>> earliest supporters of manned flight if you recall. Truly amazing what >>>>>>>> we Americans can do when we put our minds to it!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do you make up this sort of nonsense? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More contempt. You are all about contempt. You must be very insecure >>>>>>> to have such a need to mock. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Man, we have one of the meanest most contemptuous vindictive SOBs who >>>>>> ever lived for a President. >>>>> >>>>> Have you researched all of them? >>>>> >>>>>> and lots of people love him, he wouldn't be >>>>>> President if they didn't. He's careful to only say nice things about >>>>>> certain types of people, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> Me? I'm just not that careful >>>>> >>>>> I just got a call from a Big Thinker in the semiconductor business, >>>>> who ranted for half an hour about current events. He agrees with me, >>>>> anyone who has spent their life in politics is long decoupled from >>>>> reality, but DT has common sense and does good stuff, but should just >>>>> keep his mouth shut more. But there is the alternate theory that DT is >>>>> so smart, he knows exactly what he is doing. >>>> >>>> I don't let business associates/clients talk to me about any topic >>>> that's not business or software or electronics for a half hour, much >>>> less politics or current events. I politely stop them and say perfectly >>>> honestly "I don't discuss these topics with clients it tends to be bad >>>> for business. Everyone has opinions and we see them and talk about them >>>> all the time elsewhere." >>> >>> I like this guy, and he's interesting, and he is very influential. >>> He's fun to talk to. >> >> You said he ranted for a half-hour. That's not a "conversation." Perhaps >> you don't mean he continually talked for a half-hour. > > We talked. He talked more than I did. It was fine; he's really nice > and really smart. I helped him get his PhD in control theory. He came > up with some algorithms that saved billions in consumables on DUV > lithography lasers. > > Phil knows him. We had a huge amount of fun together once, > brainstorming some optics and physics.Yup, besides being very smart, he's a nice guy and a fine Christian besides--IIRC he does a bunch of charitable work with disadvantaged kids. (I may be confusing him with another fellow, but I don't think so.) Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
Reply by ●June 21, 20202020-06-21
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 21:58:55 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:>On 2020-06-19 21:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 21:23:15 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> On 6/19/2020 8:16 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:39:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/19/2020 6:11 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:24:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 1:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:52:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:46 PM, bitrex wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:33 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human >>>>>>>>>>>>>> history, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>>>>>>>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>>>>>>>>>> to authority by nature; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >>>>>>>>>>> airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >>>>>>>>>>> reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Those tended to be invented by individual Americans they weren't some >>>>>>>>>> collective effort. I'm sure a large fraction of the US population >>>>>>>>>> thought airplanes were straight nonsense until they saw one in the air, >>>>>>>>>> and that seemed to be the opinion of the popular press as well. >>>>>>>>>> Ridiculous, a total theoretical impossibility! some guy who wasn't an >>>>>>>>>> aeronautical scientist or engineer might say. oh. would you look at that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Whomever invented BBQ ribs was probably told by many of his compatriots >>>>>>>>>> "That'll never sell..." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And then after they saw one millions of the same Americans told their >>>>>>>>> friends "Well. you know. I always knew it was possible. I was one of the >>>>>>>>> earliest supporters of manned flight if you recall. Truly amazing what >>>>>>>>> we Americans can do when we put our minds to it!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why do you make up this sort of nonsense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More contempt. You are all about contempt. You must be very insecure >>>>>>>> to have such a need to mock. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Man, we have one of the meanest most contemptuous vindictive SOBs who >>>>>>> ever lived for a President. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you researched all of them? >>>>>> >>>>>>> and lots of people love him, he wouldn't be >>>>>>> President if they didn't. He's careful to only say nice things about >>>>>>> certain types of people, though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Me? I'm just not that careful >>>>>> >>>>>> I just got a call from a Big Thinker in the semiconductor business, >>>>>> who ranted for half an hour about current events. He agrees with me, >>>>>> anyone who has spent their life in politics is long decoupled from >>>>>> reality, but DT has common sense and does good stuff, but should just >>>>>> keep his mouth shut more. But there is the alternate theory that DT is >>>>>> so smart, he knows exactly what he is doing. >>>>> >>>>> I don't let business associates/clients talk to me about any topic >>>>> that's not business or software or electronics for a half hour, much >>>>> less politics or current events. I politely stop them and say perfectly >>>>> honestly "I don't discuss these topics with clients it tends to be bad >>>>> for business. Everyone has opinions and we see them and talk about them >>>>> all the time elsewhere." >>>> >>>> I like this guy, and he's interesting, and he is very influential. >>>> He's fun to talk to. >>> >>> You said he ranted for a half-hour. That's not a "conversation." Perhaps >>> you don't mean he continually talked for a half-hour. >> >> We talked. He talked more than I did. It was fine; he's really nice >> and really smart. I helped him get his PhD in control theory. He came >> up with some algorithms that saved billions in consumables on DUV >> lithography lasers. >> >> Phil knows him. We had a huge amount of fun together once, >> brainstorming some optics and physics. > >Yup, besides being very smart, he's a nice guy and a fine Christian >besides--IIRC he does a bunch of charitable work with disadvantaged >kids. (I may be confusing him with another fellow, but I don't think so.) > >Cheers > >Phil HobbsThis is D, the one we talked droplets with. I was astounded how much math you guys did in under an hour. He's on the Fellow track, same outfit. (I also complained to his management (in the men's room yet), and got him a raise. Maybe that's why he's so friendly.) -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
Reply by ●June 21, 20202020-06-21
On 2020-06-20 23:37, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 21:58:55 -0400, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 2020-06-19 21:59, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 21:23:15 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/2020 8:16 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:39:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2020 6:11 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:24:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 1:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:52:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:46 PM, bitrex wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:33 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>>>>>>>>>>> to authority by nature; >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>> reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Those tended to be invented by individual Americans they weren't some >>>>>>>>>>> collective effort. I'm sure a large fraction of the US population >>>>>>>>>>> thought airplanes were straight nonsense until they saw one in the air, >>>>>>>>>>> and that seemed to be the opinion of the popular press as well. >>>>>>>>>>> Ridiculous, a total theoretical impossibility! some guy who wasn't an >>>>>>>>>>> aeronautical scientist or engineer might say. oh. would you look at that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Whomever invented BBQ ribs was probably told by many of his compatriots >>>>>>>>>>> "That'll never sell..." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And then after they saw one millions of the same Americans told their >>>>>>>>>> friends "Well. you know. I always knew it was possible. I was one of the >>>>>>>>>> earliest supporters of manned flight if you recall. Truly amazing what >>>>>>>>>> we Americans can do when we put our minds to it!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why do you make up this sort of nonsense? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More contempt. You are all about contempt. You must be very insecure >>>>>>>>> to have such a need to mock. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Man, we have one of the meanest most contemptuous vindictive SOBs who >>>>>>>> ever lived for a President. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you researched all of them? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and lots of people love him, he wouldn't be >>>>>>>> President if they didn't. He's careful to only say nice things about >>>>>>>> certain types of people, though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Me? I'm just not that careful >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just got a call from a Big Thinker in the semiconductor business, >>>>>>> who ranted for half an hour about current events. He agrees with me, >>>>>>> anyone who has spent their life in politics is long decoupled from >>>>>>> reality, but DT has common sense and does good stuff, but should just >>>>>>> keep his mouth shut more. But there is the alternate theory that DT is >>>>>>> so smart, he knows exactly what he is doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't let business associates/clients talk to me about any topic >>>>>> that's not business or software or electronics for a half hour, much >>>>>> less politics or current events. I politely stop them and say perfectly >>>>>> honestly "I don't discuss these topics with clients it tends to be bad >>>>>> for business. Everyone has opinions and we see them and talk about them >>>>>> all the time elsewhere." >>>>> >>>>> I like this guy, and he's interesting, and he is very influential. >>>>> He's fun to talk to. >>>> >>>> You said he ranted for a half-hour. That's not a "conversation." Perhaps >>>> you don't mean he continually talked for a half-hour. >>> >>> We talked. He talked more than I did. It was fine; he's really nice >>> and really smart. I helped him get his PhD in control theory. He came >>> up with some algorithms that saved billions in consumables on DUV >>> lithography lasers. >>> >>> Phil knows him. We had a huge amount of fun together once, >>> brainstorming some optics and physics. >> >> Yup, besides being very smart, he's a nice guy and a fine Christian >> besides--IIRC he does a bunch of charitable work with disadvantaged >> kids. (I may be confusing him with another fellow, but I don't think so.) >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs > > This is D, the one we talked droplets with. I was astounded how much > math you guys did in under an hour. > > He's on the Fellow track, same outfit. > > (I also complained to his management (in the men's room yet), and got > him a raise. Maybe that's why he's so friendly.)Yeah, DR. That's who I mean too. Cheers Phil Hobbs
