On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:46:02 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 6/19/2020 12:33 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>> >>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>> >>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human history, >>>>> probably. >>>> >>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>> to authority by nature; >> >> That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >> airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >> reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >> >> > >Those tended to be invented by individual Americans they weren't some >collective effort.Exactly. Many great inventions were by amateurs, crazy people without degrees, connections, membership in learned societies, or much money. The US culture allows, actually encourages, that sort of paradigm breaking. Stuffier countries supress un-authorized invention. This happens in culture, too. Clothes, food, music, movies, language, internet stuff.>I'm sure a large fraction of the US population >thought airplanes were straight nonsense until they saw one in the air, >and that seemed to be the opinion of the popular press as well.But it worked. Two guys with a bicycle shop did it. Read the story. https://www.amazon.com/Wright-Brothers-David-McCullough/dp/1476728755/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3K5MGO5TO3RWX&dchild=1&keywords=book+wright+brothers&qid=1592587879&sprefix=book+wright%2Caps%2C206&sr=8-1#reader_1476728755>Ridiculous, a total theoretical impossibility! some guy who wasn't an >aeronautical scientist or engineer might say. oh. would you look at that. > >Whomever invented BBQ ribs was probably told by many of his compatriots >"That'll never sell..."What's your point? That BBQ ribs were invented in Germany? -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:52:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 6/19/2020 12:46 PM, bitrex wrote: >> On 6/19/2020 12:33 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>> >>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human >>>>>> history, >>>>>> probably. >>>>> >>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>> to authority by nature; >>> >>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >>> airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >>> reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>> >>> >> >> Those tended to be invented by individual Americans they weren't some >> collective effort. I'm sure a large fraction of the US population >> thought airplanes were straight nonsense until they saw one in the air, >> and that seemed to be the opinion of the popular press as well. >> Ridiculous, a total theoretical impossibility! some guy who wasn't an >> aeronautical scientist or engineer might say. oh. would you look at that. >> >> Whomever invented BBQ ribs was probably told by many of his compatriots >> "That'll never sell..." >> > >And then after they saw one millions of the same Americans told their >friends "Well. you know. I always knew it was possible. I was one of the >earliest supporters of manned flight if you recall. Truly amazing what >we Americans can do when we put our minds to it!"Why do you make up this sort of nonsense? More contempt. You are all about contempt. You must be very insecure to have such a need to mock. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
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On 19/06/20 18:11, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:57:42 +0100, Tom Gardner > <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 19/06/20 17:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>> >>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human history, >>>>>> probably. >>>>> >>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>> to authority by nature; >> >> Summary... partly in the right area, but certainly >> not close enough for a cigar. >> >> >>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, >> >> Nope, but close. >> >> UK court ruled that Edison infringed Swan's patent. >> US Patent Office also invalidated Edison's patent. >> >> >>> telegraph, >> >> Nope. Not even close. >> >> Even if we ignore the telegraphs proposed in the 17C and >> widely implemented during the Napoleonic wars, the first >> commercial long distance electric telegraph was installed >> in 1839 in the UK. >> >> >>> airplanes, >> >> Nope, not even close. >> >> First person to understand and demonstrate the principle >> of flight was Cayley. His first manned (well, boyed) flight >> was in 1949. >> >> There were many others, notably Otto Lilienthal. >> >> >>> triodes, >> >> Close. See Robert von Lieben. >> >> >>> nuclear reactors, >> >> Arguable. Much of the inspiration and work was >>from European refugees. > > Bingo. Creative people come here so they can create stuff.The European refugees didn't have much choice about where they went.>> The first industrial scale nuke was in England. >> >> >>> bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >> >> Shrug. > > If you shrug bbq ribs, you've never had good ones.Quite possibly, but it isn't earth shattering.> But none of the other possible prior inventions went anywhere.The electric light bulb didn't go anywhere? The telegraph didn't go anywhere? Nukes didn't go anywhere?> Given that the US is about 5% of the planet's population, we sure > create a lot of stuff. And a lot of that stuff is created by amateurs.A lot? In the past yes, but not as much as you seem to imagine. Plus, of course, you've ignored all the things the Americans didn't develop.
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:07:02 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:>On 19/06/20 18:11, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:57:42 +0100, Tom Gardner >> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 19/06/20 17:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human history, >>>>>>> probably. >>>>>> >>>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>>> to authority by nature; >>> >>> Summary... partly in the right area, but certainly >>> not close enough for a cigar. >>> >>> >>>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, >>> >>> Nope, but close. >>> >>> UK court ruled that Edison infringed Swan's patent. >>> US Patent Office also invalidated Edison's patent. >>> >>> >>>> telegraph, >>> >>> Nope. Not even close. >>> >>> Even if we ignore the telegraphs proposed in the 17C and >>> widely implemented during the Napoleonic wars, the first >>> commercial long distance electric telegraph was installed >>> in 1839 in the UK. >>> >>> >>>> airplanes, >>> >>> Nope, not even close. >>> >>> First person to understand and demonstrate the principle >>> of flight was Cayley. His first manned (well, boyed) flight >>> was in 1949. >>> >>> There were many others, notably Otto Lilienthal. >>> >>> >>>> triodes, >>> >>> Close. See Robert von Lieben. >>> >>> >>>> nuclear reactors, >>> >>> Arguable. Much of the inspiration and work was >>>from European refugees. >> >> Bingo. Creative people come here so they can create stuff. > >The European refugees didn't have much choice >about where they went.It's a pretty big world. But a lot of european scientists came, and still come, to the USA.> > >>> The first industrial scale nuke was in England. >>> >>> >>>> bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>> >>> Shrug. >> >> If you shrug bbq ribs, you've never had good ones. > >Quite possibly, but it isn't earth shattering. > > > >> But none of the other possible prior inventions went anywhere. > >The electric light bulb didn't go anywhere? >The telegraph didn't go anywhere? >Nukes didn't go anywhere?The point is that these inventions flourished here. There are many cases of likely prior art in europe, but that never went anywhere. The Homebrew Computer Club changed the world.> > >> Given that the US is about 5% of the planet's population, we sure >> create a lot of stuff. And a lot of that stuff is created by amateurs. > >A lot? In the past yes, but not as much as you >seem to imagine. > >Plus, of course, you've ignored all the things >the Americans didn't develop. >Europe seems to have slowed down a lot in invention, in the last maybe 200 years. China and Japan don't invent a lot of new stuff either. The Chinese are good at industrializing but don't invent much. England had scads of opportunities that were lost. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 10:17:17 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> ...The requirement to publish is part of the > fame-and-fortune thing. Some serious fraction of published > "scientific" research can't be reproduced.This is the big hole in that argument: the requirement to publish is part of the routine business of finding out if an effect can be reproduced by an independent effort. The occasional lack of reproducibility is a scientific bit of progress, telling you that there are some variables (or uncertainties), perhaps not yet understood. It isn't about fame, it's about knowledge and understanding, and even looking STRAIGHT AT IT you don't see that. Your preconceptions are the reason we often disagree with your findings. What you claim and report is not the truth of science in the world, but of the image of science in your mind.> More than anything else, more than a need for truth, people seek > power. Economists and scientists aren't immune from that.So?
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On 19/06/20 20:04, John Larkin wrote:> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:07:02 +0100, Tom Gardner > <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 19/06/20 18:11, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:57:42 +0100, Tom Gardner >>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 19/06/20 17:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human history, >>>>>>>> probably. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>>>> to authority by nature; >>>> >>>> Summary... partly in the right area, but certainly >>>> not close enough for a cigar. >>>> >>>> >>>>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, >>>> >>>> Nope, but close. >>>> >>>> UK court ruled that Edison infringed Swan's patent. >>>> US Patent Office also invalidated Edison's patent. >>>> >>>> >>>>> telegraph, >>>> >>>> Nope. Not even close. >>>> >>>> Even if we ignore the telegraphs proposed in the 17C and >>>> widely implemented during the Napoleonic wars, the first >>>> commercial long distance electric telegraph was installed >>>> in 1839 in the UK. >>>> >>>> >>>>> airplanes, >>>> >>>> Nope, not even close. >>>> >>>> First person to understand and demonstrate the principle >>>> of flight was Cayley. His first manned (well, boyed) flight >>>> was in 1949. >>>> >>>> There were many others, notably Otto Lilienthal. >>>> >>>> >>>>> triodes, >>>> >>>> Close. See Robert von Lieben. >>>> >>>> >>>>> nuclear reactors, >>>> >>>> Arguable. Much of the inspiration and work was >>> >from European refugees. >>> >>> Bingo. Creative people come here so they can create stuff. >> >> The European refugees didn't have much choice >> about where they went. > > It's a pretty big world. But a lot of european scientists came, and > still come, to the USA. > >> >> >>>> The first industrial scale nuke was in England. >>>> >>>> >>>>> bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>>> >>>> Shrug. >>> >>> If you shrug bbq ribs, you've never had good ones. >> >> Quite possibly, but it isn't earth shattering. >> >> >> >>> But none of the other possible prior inventions went anywhere. >> >> The electric light bulb didn't go anywhere? >> The telegraph didn't go anywhere? >> Nukes didn't go anywhere?> The point is that these inventions flourished here. There are many > cases of likely prior art in europe, but that never went anywhere.Telegraph flourished in Europe first, and then was of key strategic importance in the British Empire. It flourished there too.> The > Homebrew Computer Club changed the world.So did the British, e.g. with the world's first commercial computer that was used, of all things, for ordering supplies for a chain of tea/coffee/cake shops back in 1951 (LEO 1 computer for the J Lyons & Co)>>> Given that the US is about 5% of the planet's population, we sure >>> create a lot of stuff. And a lot of that stuff is created by amateurs. >> >> A lot? In the past yes, but not as much as you >> seem to imagine. >> >> Plus, of course, you've ignored all the things >> the Americans didn't develop. >> > > Europe seems to have slowed down a lot in invention, in the last maybe > 200 years. China and Japan don't invent a lot of new stuff either. The > Chinese are good at industrializing but don't invent much.For Europe, 50 years more like. China is rapidly improving in that respect, and westerners would be foolish to rest on their laurels.> England had > scads of opportunities that were lost.Absolutely. That's been a running sore all my life. "King Rat" by James Clavell (based on his WW2 experience in Changi) comes close to illustrating why. Boris Johnson and co are the current illustration. Shortform: an unwarranted belief that good breeding is more important than competence.
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On 6/19/2020 1:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:52:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> On 6/19/2020 12:46 PM, bitrex wrote: >>> On 6/19/2020 12:33 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human >>>>>>> history, >>>>>>> probably. >>>>>> >>>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>>> to authority by nature; >>>> >>>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >>>> airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >>>> reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Those tended to be invented by individual Americans they weren't some >>> collective effort. I'm sure a large fraction of the US population >>> thought airplanes were straight nonsense until they saw one in the air, >>> and that seemed to be the opinion of the popular press as well. >>> Ridiculous, a total theoretical impossibility! some guy who wasn't an >>> aeronautical scientist or engineer might say. oh. would you look at that. >>> >>> Whomever invented BBQ ribs was probably told by many of his compatriots >>> "That'll never sell..." >>> >> >> And then after they saw one millions of the same Americans told their >> friends "Well. you know. I always knew it was possible. I was one of the >> earliest supporters of manned flight if you recall. Truly amazing what >> we Americans can do when we put our minds to it!" > > Why do you make up this sort of nonsense? > > More contempt. You are all about contempt. You must be very insecure > to have such a need to mock. >Man, we have one of the meanest most contemptuous vindictive SOBs who ever lived for a President. and lots of people love him, he wouldn't be President if they didn't. He's careful to only say nice things about certain types of people, though. Me? I'm just not that careful
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On 6/19/2020 1:32 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:46:02 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> On 6/19/2020 12:33 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>> >>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human history, >>>>>> probably. >>>>> >>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>> to authority by nature; >>> >>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >>> airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >>> reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>> >>> >> >> Those tended to be invented by individual Americans they weren't some >> collective effort. > > Exactly. Many great inventions were by amateurs, crazy people without > degrees, connections, membership in learned societies, or much money. > > The US culture allows, actually encourages, that sort of paradigm > breaking. Stuffier countries supress un-authorized invention. > > This happens in culture, too. Clothes, food, music, movies, language, > internet stuff. > > >> I'm sure a large fraction of the US population >> thought airplanes were straight nonsense until they saw one in the air, >> and that seemed to be the opinion of the popular press as well. > > But it worked. Two guys with a bicycle shop did it. Read the story. > > https://www.amazon.com/Wright-Brothers-David-McCullough/dp/1476728755/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3K5MGO5TO3RWX&dchild=1&keywords=book+wright+brothers&qid=1592587879&sprefix=book+wright%2Caps%2C206&sr=8-1#reader_1476728755The Wrights may not have had high-falutin' degrees; but they weren't bumpkins or amateurs or "crazy people" who made miracles happen with spitballs and gumption and their own hands. They were methodical and persistent and read the literature and could do the math and were aware of others failures and learned from them. That is to say most previous attempts at heavier-than-air flight had been made by dilettantes, they approached the problem scientifically.>> Ridiculous, a total theoretical impossibility! some guy who wasn't an >> aeronautical scientist or engineer might say. oh. would you look at that. >> >> Whomever invented BBQ ribs was probably told by many of his compatriots >> "That'll never sell..." > > What's your point? That BBQ ribs were invented in Germany? > > >
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:24:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 6/19/2020 1:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:52:36 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> On 6/19/2020 12:46 PM, bitrex wrote: >>>> On 6/19/2020 12:33 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:26:04 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2020 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:47:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/19/2020 9:49 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, >>>>>>>>> adoration from movie stars. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Justin Bieber's music videos have well over a billion views, he's more >>>>>>>> famous than all scientists in the world put together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the video for "Gagnam Style" by Psy has pushing 4 billion views alone; >>>>>>>> more man-hours have been spent watching that one video than every >>>>>>>> scientific documentary or lecture given by a scientist in human >>>>>>>> history, >>>>>>>> probably. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But musicians optimize their performance precisely to generate fame >>>>>>> and fortune. When scientists do that, it grossly distorts the science. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Americans tend to be vaguely anti-intellectual and elitist/deferential >>>>>> to authority by nature; >>>>> >>>>> That explains why we invented light bulbs, telegraph, telephone, >>>>> airplanes, triodes, superhets, transistors, ICs, lasers, nuclear >>>>> reactors, bbq ribs, and the Declaration of Independence. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Those tended to be invented by individual Americans they weren't some >>>> collective effort. I'm sure a large fraction of the US population >>>> thought airplanes were straight nonsense until they saw one in the air, >>>> and that seemed to be the opinion of the popular press as well. >>>> Ridiculous, a total theoretical impossibility! some guy who wasn't an >>>> aeronautical scientist or engineer might say. oh. would you look at that. >>>> >>>> Whomever invented BBQ ribs was probably told by many of his compatriots >>>> "That'll never sell..." >>>> >>> >>> And then after they saw one millions of the same Americans told their >>> friends "Well. you know. I always knew it was possible. I was one of the >>> earliest supporters of manned flight if you recall. Truly amazing what >>> we Americans can do when we put our minds to it!" >> >> Why do you make up this sort of nonsense? >> >> More contempt. You are all about contempt. You must be very insecure >> to have such a need to mock. >> > > >Man, we have one of the meanest most contemptuous vindictive SOBs who >ever lived for a President.Have you researched all of them?>and lots of people love him, he wouldn't be >President if they didn't. He's careful to only say nice things about >certain types of people, though. > >Me? I'm just not that carefulI just got a call from a Big Thinker in the semiconductor business, who ranted for half an hour about current events. He agrees with me, anyone who has spent their life in politics is long decoupled from reality, but DT has common sense and does good stuff, but should just keep his mouth shut more. But there is the alternate theory that DT is so smart, he knows exactly what he is doing. R has studied DT a lot more than I have. He is a thinker. Both of them I guess. All successful companies have a few Big Thinkers. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/18/scientists-as-heroes-keep-that-image-public-eye/ > > That's really scary, science as a path to fame, fortune, prizes, > adoration from movie stars.It's important for people to differentiate a scientist from an engineer. It is mostly rogue engineers who have given science a bad name. If one of those nut cases becomes a "hero," we're in serious trouble.> > > > -- > > John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc > > Science teaches us to doubt. > > Claude Bernard
