On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:15:02 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com <dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 12:24:50 PM UTC-4, Frnak McKenney wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com <dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:33:18 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >> >> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 08:10:05 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 11:17:47 PM UTC-4, jurb...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> > It's pretty interesting how that came about. I recently read >> > "Recollections of 92 Years, 1824-1916," by Elizabeth Avery Meriwether, >> > a southern woman who lived through the thick of it. I was very >> > surprised to read of the Civil War from a Southerner's perspective. >> >> For another viewpoint, try Eric Foner's "Nothing But Freedom: >> Emancipation and Its Legacy" and (a bit longer and more detailed) >> "Forever Free: The Sory of Emancipation and Reconstruction". >> >> ( The pulp-and-text-challenged can find an AHTV (C-SPAN3) interview of >> Foner here: >> The Civil War: Politics of Reconstruction >> https://www.c-span.org/video/?401420-1/politics-reconstruction >> ) >> >> One of Foner's key points is the conflict between the plantation owners' >> desperate need for cheap manpower and the ex-slaves' reluctance to work >> under the conditions the former slave-owners wanted: long hours of hard >> labor for little or no pay, and subject to the same kind of punishment >> they had experienced prior to the war. >> >> >> Frank McKenney > > Thanks -- I listened to the video. His was a pretty standard description > of /what/ happened and /who/. Meriwether's was the first account (and a > first-hand account at that) I'd seen of /why/ the Southerners acted as > they did, from the Southern perspective. > > Cheers, > James ArthurAh. I missed that. Yes, "Nothing But Freedom" gets into the differences in (I can't believe I'm using this term in a sentence) world view between the newly-freed slaves on the one hand, and their former masters and much of the South on the other. If one has been brought up on a steady diet of "Negroes aren't fully human and can't be trusted", suddenly finding one's self in a world controlled by "that kind of people" must have been incredibly frightening. Anyway, thank you -- my local library lacks any of Ms. Meriwether's works, so I've ordered a copy from Amazon.com. I also found a clip in the C-SPAN video library specific to "Nothing But Freedom" if you're curious: <https://www.c-span.org/video/?190803-1/forever-free-story-emancipation-reconstruction> Not all authors can both write well and speak clearly about their subject material; Mr. Foner appears to be one of these. Frank -- Lack of perspective in literature (or in readers) often causes a contemporary condition I've heard referred to as "presentism", that is, a disposition to judge all literature by the narrow standards of present time and present culture. This leads to peculiar phenomena such as the denunciation of Huckleberry Finn, on the grounds that they deal with issues such as slavery, women's civil rights, etc., in a ways not consistent with the present-day notion of political correctness. In essence, this attitude is based on a failure to acknowledge that any time other than the present has actually existed; since that underlying assumption is clearly mistaken, the resultant attitude -- that it is reasonable to judge historical times and characters by modern standards -- can't possibly be taken seriously. At least by me. -- Diana Gabaldon, "The Outlandish Companion" -- Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887 Munged E-mail: frank und.scr mckenney aatt mindspring d.ot com
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:03:16 -0700 (PDT), George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:>On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:26:33 PM UTC-4, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:53:00 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso" >> <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote: >> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >> I've stated before, I grew up in a mixed community, post WWII VA >> >> housing, 1/2 acre minimum lots, heritage immaterial, always assisting >> >> the black family two houses up rounding up their turkeys if it rained >> >> ;-) >> > >> >Why can't turkeys get wet? >> > >> > >> >> They _drown_ swallowing the rain... dumbest creatures (domesticated >> turkeys) on the face of the earth ;-) > >Huh, I don't know about domesticated turkeys. >I saw this nature program about wild turkeys, >and they came off as being fairly smart. >(The males became a bit aggressive when in rut.) > >George H. >> >> ...Jim Thompson[snip] But "wild" turkeys are skinny, not much to eat ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
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On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 2:35:43 AM UTC+10, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:> >"So it was your careless choice of ancestors that made you a > >bird-brain, rather than an inadequate education system that didn't teach anything like enough." > > You win the prize for the day. You just proved Jim Thompson right in his post with the link to the IVIs, but I have doubts about the first "I", as I bet even more here do after this totally inane post.The post wasn't quite as inane until you snipped the context (and failed to mark the snip). I probably am an intellectual - or a least am more intellectual than you and Jim - but I'm not actually the kind of intellectual yet idiot that Nicholas Nassim Talib was criticising. I have passed a lot of exams, but most of my intellectual interests have nothing to do with my academic training, and a lot more to do with my capacity for self-education. My electronic expertise owes little to academic training - unless you want to include the training that got me looking up stuff in books and translating what I'd read into working hardware. Graduate students learn that all the time, quite often from fellow academics, though as much from other graduate students as from instructors and supervisors. Experimental scientists think "intellectual yet idiot" about quite a few theoreticians, but good theoreticians can be very handy around an experimental lab. Phil Hobbs' grasp of theory has very practical advantages that go beyond selling his book. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 11:18:43 AM UTC-4, Jim Thompson wrote:> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:03:16 -0700 (PDT), George Herold > <gherold@teachspin.com> wrote: > > >On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:26:33 PM UTC-4, Jim Thompson wrote: > >> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:53:00 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso" > >> <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I've stated before, I grew up in a mixed community, post WWII VA > >> >> housing, 1/2 acre minimum lots, heritage immaterial, always assisting > >> >> the black family two houses up rounding up their turkeys if it rained > >> >> ;-) > >> > > >> >Why can't turkeys get wet? > >> > > >> > > >> > >> They _drown_ swallowing the rain... dumbest creatures (domesticated > >> turkeys) on the face of the earth ;-) > > > >Huh, I don't know about domesticated turkeys. > >I saw this nature program about wild turkeys, > >and they came off as being fairly smart. > >(The males became a bit aggressive when in rut.) > > > >George H. > >> > >> ...Jim Thompson > [snip] > > But "wild" turkeys are skinny, not much to eat ;-)Hmm It's turkey hunting season in my neck of the woods. I've always assumed that they eat 'em after shooting 'em. George H.> > ...Jim Thompson > -- > | James E.Thompson | mens | > | Analog Innovations | et | > | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | > | STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | > | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | > | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:26:44 -0700 (PDT), George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:>On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 11:18:43 AM UTC-4, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:03:16 -0700 (PDT), George Herold >> <gherold@teachspin.com> wrote: >> >> >On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 1:26:33 PM UTC-4, Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 12:53:00 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso" >> >> <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I've stated before, I grew up in a mixed community, post WWII VA >> >> >> housing, 1/2 acre minimum lots, heritage immaterial, always assisting >> >> >> the black family two houses up rounding up their turkeys if it rained >> >> >> ;-) >> >> > >> >> >Why can't turkeys get wet? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> They _drown_ swallowing the rain... dumbest creatures (domesticated >> >> turkeys) on the face of the earth ;-) >> > >> >Huh, I don't know about domesticated turkeys. >> >I saw this nature program about wild turkeys, >> >and they came off as being fairly smart. >> >(The males became a bit aggressive when in rut.) >> > >> >George H. >> >> >> >> ...Jim Thompson >> [snip] >> >> But "wild" turkeys are skinny, not much to eat ;-) >Hmm It's turkey hunting season in my neck of the woods. >I've always assumed that they eat 'em after shooting 'em. > >George H. >> >> ...Jim Thompson[snip] I wouldn't know. Where I come from we only hunted deer, and squirrel. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
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On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 11:09:32 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:> Dan does like to think I'm wrong. One of his many transparently foolish mistakes. It's not that I'm never wrong - just not often enough to keep Dan happy, or plausible. > > -- > Bill Sloman, SydneyYou are not always wrong. But you are often wrong when you state that I think a certain way. I am not sure, but I think my IQ is about 20 points higher than yours. Not all that significant, but I am much more sceptical than you. Dan
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bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:> On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 7:45:55 AM UTC+10, jurb...@gmail.com > wrote: >> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:49:25 AM UTC-5, Tom Del Rosso >> wrote: >>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> I haven't quite figured out why it's always liberals that want to >>>> stir up racial tensions. >>> >>> They believe that history is a class struggle. They see everything >>> as haves and have-nots. I've said before that this explains a lot >>> of their behavior. >>> >>> Some of them won't admit they believe in the basic tenets of >>> Communism, but most of them don't know where their philosophy comes >>> from. >> >> Zactly. > > In fact it is a misleading formulation. Tom del Rosso doesn't seem to > know that the Communists got that philosophical element from broader > socialist thought.Yes, I'm aware of the division in philosophy that goes back to the Enlightenment, and I'm aware that you're on the wrong side of it. It is you who disemble, as in pointoing out the origin of the divide while avoiding the fact that you're on the wrong side.
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:06:04 -0700, bill.sloman wrote:> John Larkin has less scientific education, and chooses to believe > everything he read in the Murdoch media - which is an other way of being > irrational.You'll be delighted to hear that Fox in the US and Sky in the UK have taken a Left turn and are no longer promoting common sense and sound reason. Murdoch is now on your side, Bill. He's done a deal with the Devil by the looks of things. I wonder what they could possibly have offered him? Eternal life in some form or another I would guess. Nothing else is going to have much appeal at his time of life.
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:52:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:> Surveys now show Trump with about 20% of the black vote!Blacks couldn't possibly be any worse off with Trump than they would be with Hillary and hopefully they'll do considerably better.
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