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The arsehole Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:> Path: not-for-mail > From: Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Subject: Re:mental imaging > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:21:08 -0500 (EST) > Organization: news.eternal-september.org > Lines: 12 > Message-ID: <un4525$399qr$1@dont-email.me> > References: <bma9pi9ku61qchabtps5f6toqj91d0u5q6@4ax.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Injection-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 17:21:09 -0000 (UTC) > Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="de4b5d123835e7a55810d49df6d0cf93"; > logging-data="3450715"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19EhQ3Nhy9XRPWq3JMet55+" > Cancel-Lock: sha1:tuyfiJ1DHQssU4UxfhvRLO/3uRU= > X-Newsreader: PiaoHong.Usenet.Client.Free:2.02 > X-Received-Bytes: 1698
Reply by ●January 4, 20242024-01-04
On 1/3/2024 10:54 AM, John Larkin wrote:> On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 15:07:57 +0000, Martin Brown > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 03/01/2024 00:37, John Larkin wrote: >>> This has been in the science news lately. >>> >>> https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words >>> >>> Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize >>> objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics. >> >> It probably isn't a massive handicap to them unless they want to become >> a sculptor or an artist. They cannot visualise things or recall images. >> >> I rely on my visual memory to figure some problems out and then write >> them down. I have known people who could solve serious mathematical >> problems without writing anything down at all - that is impressive. >> >> Playing blindfold chess is another visual memory trick worthy of note. >> >> Visual memory can also defeat some of the oft used simple tests for >> Alzheimers since one of them is apple, ball and chair - visualising that >> scene bypasses the memory paths that they are trying to test. >> >>> And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we) >>> always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct from >>> hallucinations. >> >> Depending how dark your environment you see thermal shot noise on the >> retina after a few hours in true total darkness. >> As in photographic manufacturing plant darkroom conditions or deep cave. >> It is darker in there than the darkest outdoors. >> > > I see a sort of fireworks display in the dark, with occasional > geometric patterns. I once had a concussion and they went away for a > few days. You normal people live in DARKNESS! > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhospheneAbout 150 mg of dextromethorphan hydrobromide and in a few hours in a dark room you'll be seeing arcade game racecars zipping across the walls like Frogger, not a problem at all. Not recommended. Good news is I never got into mescaline or any of that in my younger days.>> BTW Happy New Year > > Ditto. It may not seem like it, but the world is actually getting > better. >
Reply by ●January 4, 20242024-01-04
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 23:15:13 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 1/3/2024 10:54 AM, John Larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 15:07:57 +0000, Martin Brown >> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 03/01/2024 00:37, John Larkin wrote: >>>> This has been in the science news lately. >>>> >>>> https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words >>>> >>>> Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize >>>> objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics. >>> >>> It probably isn't a massive handicap to them unless they want to become >>> a sculptor or an artist. They cannot visualise things or recall images. >>> >>> I rely on my visual memory to figure some problems out and then write >>> them down. I have known people who could solve serious mathematical >>> problems without writing anything down at all - that is impressive. >>> >>> Playing blindfold chess is another visual memory trick worthy of note. >>> >>> Visual memory can also defeat some of the oft used simple tests for >>> Alzheimers since one of them is apple, ball and chair - visualising that >>> scene bypasses the memory paths that they are trying to test. >>> >>>> And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we) >>>> always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct from >>>> hallucinations. >>> >>> Depending how dark your environment you see thermal shot noise on the >>> retina after a few hours in true total darkness. >>> As in photographic manufacturing plant darkroom conditions or deep cave. >>> It is darker in there than the darkest outdoors. >>> >> >> I see a sort of fireworks display in the dark, with occasional >> geometric patterns. I once had a concussion and they went away for a >> few days. You normal people live in DARKNESS! >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene > >About 150 mg of dextromethorphan hydrobromide and in a few hours in a >dark room you'll be seeing arcade game racecars zipping across the walls >like Frogger, not a problem at all. > >Not recommended. Good news is I never got into mescaline or any of that >in my younger days. >I'm basically crazy enough that chemicals don't make much difference. A lady once gave me some LSD at Mardi Gras and I thought it made things duller than normal. I also get migraine auras, which are interesting, but I don't get the usual follow-on headache. My favorites are hallucinations, which are beautiful and colorful and in perfect focus, a nice experience for someone who has always had mediocre eyesight. After two vitectomies, my giant structural floaters are gone and I have tiny ones now, some of which look like energetically swimming tadpoles. I think they must be some sort of cells. Optics is cool.
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The idiot bitrex <user@example.net> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:> Path: not-for-mail > MIME-Version: 1.0 > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Subject: Re: mental imaging > Content-Language: en-US > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > References: <bma9pi9ku61qchabtps5f6toqj91d0u5q6@4ax.com> > <un3t8f$386cv$1@dont-email.me> <sa0bpi1cvc0kp22bpqc294gdeue11vkvqg@4ax.com> > From: bitrex <user@example.net> > In-Reply-To: <sa0bpi1cvc0kp22bpqc294gdeue11vkvqg@4ax.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lines: 54 > Message-ID: <lhqlN.128665$xHn7.28847@fx14.iad> > X-Complaints-To: abuse@frugalusenet.com > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2024 04:15:13 UTC > Organization: frugalusenet - www.frugalusenet.com > Bytes: 2932 > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 23:15:13 -0500 > X-Received-Bytes: 3071
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On 2024-01-03, Martin Rid wrote:> John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> Wrote in message:r >> This has been in the science news >> lately. [...] >> like one to three per cent of the population can't visualizeobjects. >> I wonder if such people can still design electronics.And maybe 10% of >> the population is never really in the dark. They (we)always see >> flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct fromhallucinations. > > I wonder if that's related to not having an 'Internal monologue '. > Eg; talking to oneself.It's the only intelligent conversation I can get some days :) -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:21:08 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:>John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> Wrote in message:r >> This has been in the science news lately.https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-wordsSomething like one to three per cent of the population can't visualizeobjects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics.And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we)always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct fromhallucinations. > >I wonder if that's related to not having an 'Internal monologue '. > Eg; talking to oneself. > >CheersSome people really talk to themselves, out loud, which can be confusing to others.
Reply by ●January 5, 20242024-01-05
On 2024-01-05 12:34, Martin Rid wrote:> john larkin <jl@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r >> On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 12:21:08 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid<martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:>John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> Wrote in message:r>> This has been in the science news lately.https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-wordsSomething like one to three per cent of the population can't visualizeobjects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics.And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we)always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct fromhallucinations.>>I wonder if that's related to not having an 'Internal monologue '.> Eg; talking to oneself. >>Cheers Some people really talk to themselves, out loud, which can beconfusing to others. > > I'm referring to internal, not out loud. Search 'internal > monologue ' on youtube. It's interesting, never knew there were > people like that. > > Cheers >I have a very quiet mind like that, but I can speak in my head. One of my sisters can't--if she wants to work out what she's planning to say, she has to say it under her breath. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
