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On 03/01/2024 00:37, John Larkin wrote:> This has been in the science news lately. > > https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words > > Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize > objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics.It probably isn't a massive handicap to them unless they want to become a sculptor or an artist. They cannot visualise things or recall images. I rely on my visual memory to figure some problems out and then write them down. I have known people who could solve serious mathematical problems without writing anything down at all - that is impressive. Playing blindfold chess is another visual memory trick worthy of note. Visual memory can also defeat some of the oft used simple tests for Alzheimers since one of them is apple, ball and chair - visualising that scene bypasses the memory paths that they are trying to test.> And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we) > always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct from > hallucinations.Depending how dark your environment you see thermal shot noise on the retina after a few hours in true total darkness. As in photographic manufacturing plant darkroom conditions or deep cave. It is darker in there than the darkest outdoors. BTW Happy New Year -- Martin Brown
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 15:07:57 +0000, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:>On 03/01/2024 00:37, John Larkin wrote: >> This has been in the science news lately. >> >> https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words >> >> Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize >> objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics. > >It probably isn't a massive handicap to them unless they want to become >a sculptor or an artist. They cannot visualise things or recall images. > >I rely on my visual memory to figure some problems out and then write >them down. I have known people who could solve serious mathematical >problems without writing anything down at all - that is impressive. > >Playing blindfold chess is another visual memory trick worthy of note. > >Visual memory can also defeat some of the oft used simple tests for >Alzheimers since one of them is apple, ball and chair - visualising that >scene bypasses the memory paths that they are trying to test. > >> And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we) >> always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct from >> hallucinations. > >Depending how dark your environment you see thermal shot noise on the >retina after a few hours in true total darkness. >As in photographic manufacturing plant darkroom conditions or deep cave. >It is darker in there than the darkest outdoors. >I see a sort of fireworks display in the dark, with occasional geometric patterns. I once had a concussion and they went away for a few days. You normal people live in DARKNESS! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene>BTW Happy New YearDitto. It may not seem like it, but the world is actually getting better.
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On Wednesday 3 January 2024 at 16:08:06 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:> On 03/01/2024 00:37, John Larkin wrote: > > This has been in the science news lately. > > > > https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words > > > > Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize > > objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics. > It probably isn't a massive handicap to them unless they want to become > a sculptor or an artist. They cannot visualise things or recall images. > > I rely on my visual memory to figure some problems out and then write > them down. I have known people who could solve serious mathematical > problems without writing anything down at all - that is impressive. > > Playing blindfold chess is another visual memory trick worthy of note. > > Visual memory can also defeat some of the oft used simple tests for > Alzheimers since one of them is apple, ball and chair - visualising that > scene bypasses the memory paths that they are trying to test. > > And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we) > > always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct from > > hallucinations. > Depending how dark your environment you see thermal shot noise on the > retina after a few hours in true total darkness. > As in photographic manufacturing plant darkroom conditions or deep cave. > It is darker in there than the darkest outdoors. > > BTW Happy New Year > > -- > Martin BrownInternet magazines keep publishing fake stories to attract readers to not collapse Never read fake stories like that to keep your mind clean, not infected by hoax virus
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On 1/3/2024 8:07 AM, Martin Brown wrote:> It probably isn't a massive handicap to them unless they want to become a > sculptor or an artist. They cannot visualise things or recall images.We have a friend who is also a (artistic) painter. When out with his colleagues, they will be painting a *desert* scene -- and Tony is off painting images of the seashore. "Tony, why do you even come out with us on these /plein air/ jaunts? You're NEVER 'here'..."> I rely on my visual memory to figure some problems out and then write them > down. I have known people who could solve serious mathematical problems without > writing anything down at all - that is impressive.I rely (heavily) on visual abstractions to plan how processes interact. Most folks have "single threaded" ideas of the world -- which can be a downside when designing hardware or (modern) software. Particularly distributed systems where many things ARE happening concurrently and transport delays are *tangible*!> Playing blindfold chess is another visual memory trick worthy of note.I am amused by the things that I can *visualize* but can't reify. One would assume that "seeing it" should correlate with being able to (re)create it... [I am also amused by how much WORSE my auditory learning channel is than visual.]> Visual memory can also defeat some of the oft used simple tests for Alzheimers > since one of them is apple, ball and chair - visualising that scene bypasses > the memory paths that they are trying to test.Likewise cognitive skills. I can recall very long strings of digits if I can *see* them written down; less so if read to me (in which case, I *imagine* writing them down). And, simple arithmetic (often fails in alzheimers pts) is just a bunch of digit sequences that flash in my mind, without thinking about how they are (algorithmically) "formed". I met a /savant/, once. His "skill" was scary. But, like many (most) /savants/, not very "deep". :<
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John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> Wrote in message:r> This has been in the science news lately.https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-wordsSomething like one to three per cent of the population can't visualizeobjects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics.And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we)always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct fromhallucinations.I wonder if that's related to not having an 'Internal monologue '. Eg; talking to oneself. Cheers -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html
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