On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 4:25:40 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:> On a sunny day (Sun, 01 Oct 2023 11:23:55 -0700) it happened John Larkin <j...@997arbor.com> wrote in <32ejhipiv9mpi6iph...@4ax.com>: > >On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 16:28:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:20:38 -0700) it happened John Larkin <j...@997arbor.com> wrote in <suvihidg17imkj4ir...@4ax.com>: > >>>On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 05:49:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> wrote: > >>>>On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin > >>>><j...@997arbor.com> wrote in <vchghi54ocb2otq0p...@4ax.com>:<snip>> >Maybe our universe can't be explained in any intuitive sense. Quantum mechanics makes no sense. But it works, so we have to accept it. The origin of the universe, or the origin of life, may be forever un-knowable. > > > >Where does relativity break down? > I asked google, it that knows everything ;-) ! > https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/nov/04/relativity-quantum-mechanics-universe-physicistsWhat is mainly shows is that English language science journalists don't know much about science. I read the Guardian in England for about twenty years and found sceintific howlers in it every coupe of weeks. I had to read the Volksrant in the Netherlands for a bout a decade before I found an obvious mistake.> Clear difference between Le Sage and a relatitvity that predicts infinite gravity also called 'singularities' is that in a Le Sage system at some point all particles are intercepted, so gravity has a limit.A much clearer different is that the Le Sage theory of gravity doesn't work, and relativity does. A relativitistic "signularity" isn't an infinity - it just a volume where space is curved enough to be closed in on itself and nothing can escape> Nature does not know 'infinities' (Panteltje's rule1) something always will break down, give way.Jan Panteltje doesn't know what infinity means so his "rule" is just an expression of incomprehension.> Ohms law knows infinities, 1 V in zero Ohm., that is like Einstein's thinking.First find your zero ohm resistor. Super-conductors might appear to qualify but they all stop super-conducting when the circulating current gets high enough to generate a high enough magnetic field to stop then being super-conductors. The problem here isn't Einstein's thinking but the defects in Jan Panteltje's thinking.> We know about electrons, particles, and zero Ohm does not exist and current is quantisized anyways. > > See how simple MATH can delude people?Jan is the kind of simple-minded person who gets confused about what mathematics means.> MATH is no solution, all it does is describe quantities with incomplete equations in not fully described systems.The math is fine, but it is just a description of a simplified reality which has been simplified enough to be susceptible to mathematics.> but as 'it is mathematically proved' people are brainwashed to believe it, promoted if they can parrot it. > But it forever will be an incomplete description of reality.Incomplete, but useful, if you know what you are doing. Jan doesn't.> Math has a lot of use, you can find out things about nature using math, but we need to understand the mechanisms > Sometimes we do some experiment and we see a difference from what math told us, that then makes us look for > new physics, resulting in new mathematical formulas taking into account what we newly found out.Usually it makes us look more carefully at our experiment and find what we did wrong.> Newton's math breaks down when applied to observation of stars in galaxies, causing people to look for example dark matter.There's nothing wrong with Newton's math. The problem is that the reality he was modelling was more complicated than he knew. Einstein pointed out that a more complicated model. of reality needed slightly different math which - so far - has worked fine/.>Look up MOND > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamicsWhich doesn't work either.> Einstein's way of thinking was already defeated by Alan Aspect's experiment long ago: > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect%27s_experiment"Later in 1935, Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and Nathan Rosen (E.P.R.) imagined a thought experiment which, if one allowed for entangled states to exist, led to a paradox: either some influence travels faster than light (non-causality), or quantum physics is incomplete. None of the two terms of the alternative were admissible at the time, hence the paradox." The experiment realised their 1935 thought experiment. This didn't defeat Einstein's way of thinking but rather showed that he had been thinking about a useful question.> So as to prediction, Le Sage predicts a limit to gravity (no singularities), it predicts spectrum widening > of atomic resonances close to planets (atoms are hit with different energy by LS particles from different sides).Pity about the other stuff it predicts. Le Sage didn't predict the Lorentz transforms, even if you imagine that he could have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation> Time slowing down when going faster, length contraction > image a balloon filled with air and you moving it, pushing it, the air will make it flatter, 'length contraction' > Its all simple, you human beings need to see the mechanism.Simple and wrong. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
OT Einstein and Curie
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The idiot Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:> X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:8e9:b0:65d:7d:880f with SMTP id dr9-20020a05621408e900b0065d007d880fmr102074qvb.8.1696089914673; > Sat, 30 Sep 2023 09:05:14 -0700 (PDT) > X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:198e:b0:3ae:1f9:eb47 with SMTP id > bj14-20020a056808198e00b003ae01f9eb47mr3491877oib.10.1696089914306; Sat, 30 > Sep 2023 09:05:14 -0700 (PDT) > Path: not-for-mail > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) > In-Reply-To: <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com> > Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:5cc:4701:5250:c1ce:afa:71c7:2532; > posting-account=iGtwSwoAAABNNwPORfvAs6OM4AR9GRHt > NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:5cc:4701:5250:c1ce:afa:71c7:2532 > References: <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com> > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-ID: <40f16593-0316-453e-820e-02a4288125b6n@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: OT Einstein and Curie > From: Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> > Injection-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 16:05:14 +0000 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-Received-Bytes: 1500
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The idiot John Smiht <utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- John Smiht <utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote:> X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7f14:0:b0:417:adaa:be87 with SMTP id f20-20020ac87f14000000b00417adaabe87mr138800qtk.11.1696174270265; > Sun, 01 Oct 2023 08:31:10 -0700 (PDT) > X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1527:b0:3ad:f4b5:3ad with SMTP id > u39-20020a056808152700b003adf4b503admr4565598oiw.8.1696174269943; Sun, 01 Oct > 2023 08:31:09 -0700 (PDT) > Path: not-for-mail > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2023 08:31:09 -0700 (PDT) > In-Reply-To: <94c0fe22-97e8-4f0a-b1ed-aa91ff388faen@googlegroups.com> > Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.217.181; posting-account=ZADfMQoAAACuXpbWo81qnTgzKnI7_ZuA > NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.217.181 > References: <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com> <ufb18g$qo58$1@solani.org> > <94c0fe22-97e8-4f0a-b1ed-aa91ff388faen@googlegroups.com> > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-ID: <af2df95c-440a-4f57-8925-71f743574753n@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: OT Einstein and Curie > From: John Smiht <utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> > Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 15:31:10 +0000 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-Received-Bytes: 3581
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On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:03:23 PM UTC-5, a a wrote:> The idiot John Smiht <utube...@xoxy.net> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... > > -- > John Smiht <utube...@xoxy.net> wrote: > > > X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7f14:0:b0:417:adaa:be87 with SMTP id f20-20020ac87f14000000b00417adaabe87mr138800qtk.11.1696174270265; > > Sun, 01 Oct 2023 08:31:10 -0700 (PDT) > > X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1527:b0:3ad:f4b5:3ad with SMTP id > > u39-20020a056808152700b003adf4b503admr4565598oiw.8.1696174269943; Sun, 01 Oct > > 2023 08:31:09 -0700 (PDT) > > Path: not-for-mail > > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > > Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2023 08:31:09 -0700 (PDT) > > In-Reply-To: <94c0fe22-97e8-4f0a...@googlegroups.com> > > Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.217.181; posting-account=ZADfMQoAAACuXpbWo81qnTgzKnI7_ZuA > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.217.181 > > References: <vchghi54ocb2otq0p...@4ax.com> <ufb18g$qo58$1...@solani.org> > > <94c0fe22-97e8-4f0a...@googlegroups.com> > > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Message-ID: <af2df95c-440a-4f57...@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: Re: OT Einstein and Curie > > From: John Smiht <utube...@xoxy.net> > > Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 15:31:10 +0000 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > X-Received-Bytes: 3581-5050
Reply by ●October 2, 20232023-10-02
On 10/1/2023 12:55 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com> > wrote: > >> >> https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ > > > Thanks for putting OT in the subject line, John. Fred Bloggs take > note! > It's truly extraordinary when you compare the achievements of Madam > Curie with those of the women today whom the Left put up for public > adoration. All a woman needs today to be venerated is to have a huge > bum and big tits - oh, and be black, of course. Provided those few, > simple criteria are met, then adoration by an army of social media > zombie fans will surely follow. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the > very essence of 'progressivism' for you!Trump needs to consider hiring some of those big bum black ladies if he gets re-elected, the man has an eye for talent: <https://www.counterpunch.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Screenshot-2023-09-25-at-11.35.36-AM-680x235.png>
Reply by ●October 3, 20232023-10-03
The arsehole John Smiht <utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- John Smiht <utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote:> X-Received: by 2002:ad4:55ed:0:b0:655:afc1:e9b1 with SMTP id bu13-20020ad455ed000000b00655afc1e9b1mr211373qvb.1.1696298091123; > Mon, 02 Oct 2023 18:54:51 -0700 (PDT) > X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:20a9:b0:3af:6406:ade7 with SMTP id > s41-20020a05680820a900b003af6406ade7mr6710522oiw.0.1696298090833; Mon, 02 Oct > 2023 18:54:50 -0700 (PDT) > Path: not-for-mail > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 18:54:50 -0700 (PDT) > In-Reply-To: <CBDSM.59593$VAg.1555@usenetxs.com> > Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.217.181; posting-account=ZADfMQoAAACuXpbWo81qnTgzKnI7_ZuA > NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.217.181 > References: <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com> <ufb18g$qo58$1@solani.org> > <af2df95c-440a-4f57-8925-71f743574753n@googlegroups.com> <CBDSM.59593$VAg.1555@usenetxs.com> > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-ID: <b2ffe702-79ed-4e61-9d83-bd1ca409f987n@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: OT Einstein and Curie > From: John Smiht <utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> > Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2023 01:54:51 +0000 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-Received-Bytes: 2879
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Reply by ●October 4, 20232023-10-04
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 7:57:29 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:> On 10/1/2023 12:55 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700, John Larkin <j...@997arbor.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ > > > > > > Thanks for putting OT in the subject line, John. Fred Bloggs take > > note! > > It's truly extraordinary when you compare the achievements of Madam > > Curie with those of the women today whom the Left put up for public > > adoration. All a woman needs today to be venerated is to have a huge > > bum and big tits - oh, and be black, of course. Provided those few, > > simple criteria are met, then adoration by an army of social media > > zombie fans will surely follow. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the > > very essence of 'progressivism' for you! > Trump needs to consider hiring some of those big bum black ladies if he > gets re-elected, the man has an eye for talent: > > <https://www.counterpunch.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Screenshot-2023-09-25-at-11.35.36-AM-680x235.png>Trump hires people that can perform - if they don't he fires them and gets someone that can. He certainly doesn't hire people based on the size of their butts.
Reply by ●October 4, 20232023-10-04
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:09:46 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 7:57:29 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: > > On 10/1/2023 12:55 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote: > > > On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700, John Larkin <j...@997arbor.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ > > > > > > > > > Thanks for putting OT in the subject line, John. Fred Bloggs take > > > note! > > > It's truly extraordinary when you compare the achievements of Madam > > > Curie with those of the women today whom the Left put up for public > > > adoration. All a woman needs today to be venerated is to have a huge > > > bum and big tits - oh, and be black, of course. Provided those few, > > > simple criteria are met, then adoration by an army of social media > > > zombie fans will surely follow. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the > > > very essence of 'progressivism' for you!It's all that Cursitor Doom can be bothered to pay any attention to, and presumably all that he has the wit to understand. It's telling that he can't name one of these "adored" women. In reality there isn't anybody he could point to, but he lives in his second hand reality, curated for him by the Daily Mail.> > Trump needs to consider hiring some of those big bum black ladies if he gets re-elected, the man has an eye for talent: > > > > <https://www.counterpunch.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Screenshot-2023-09-25-at-11.35.36-AM-680x235.png> > > Trump hires people that can perform - if they don't he fires them and gets someone that can. He certainly doesn't hire people based on the size of their butts.Stormy Daniels excepted. Sewage Sweeper has this delusion that Donald Trump values actual skills - when what Trump has always wanted is service of the most menial sort, and he lies through his teeth to get it. Sewage Sweeper is depressingly representative of the deplorable fraction of the American electorate who is gullible enough to swallow those lies. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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