https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/
OT Einstein and Curie
Started by ●September 30, 2023
Reply by ●September 30, 20232023-09-30
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:59:29 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:> https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/Drama
Reply by ●October 1, 20232023-10-01
On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com> wrote in <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com>:> >https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/Albert E. is much overhyped and his relatitvitty theory is useless without a particle that transmits the forces. Dark matter searches..., I like Le Sage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation and I propose that same particle is also the carrier of EM radiation as it seems to have been measured that graffity travels at the speed of light, Simple-city rules. Same when Fleming had a current flowing in a vacuum tube, *electrons*. Same for relatitvitty, just math crap without a mechanism, will always fail, keeps you stuck. Albert E. on his death bed, acknowledged he failed to unite the forces of nature. His followers keep science stuck where it is and has been now since his speed was squared or whatever, It has become a religious dogma. El Pante
Reply by ●October 1, 20232023-10-01
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:49:12 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:> On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin > <j...@997arbor.com> wrote in <vchghi54ocb2otq0p...@4ax.com>: > > > > >https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ > > Albert E. is much overhyped and his relatitvity theory is useless without a particle that transmits the forces.That's where Jan is stuck in the pre-Einstein past. Einstein was happy to warp space to generate the force. No particle required.> Dark matter searches..., > I like Le Sage > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation > and I propose that same particle is also the carrier of EM radiation as it seems to have been measured that gravity travels at the speed of light, > Simplicity rules.And Jan is definitely a bit simple.> Same when Fleming had a current flowing in a vacuum tube, *electrons*.Which we can detect, measure and characterise, unlike Le Sage particles and dark matter.> Same for relatitvity, just math crap without a mechanism, will always fail, keeps you stuck.Just like Newton's theory of gravitation, which failed to predict the precession of the orbit of Mercury - not a total failure, but which was enough to open the door to Einstein. who could.> Albert E. on his death bed, acknowledged he failed to unite the forces of nature.He had. But he'd still got a long way towards the target. A lot further than Le Sage ever did.> His followers keep science stuck where it is and has been now since his speed was squared or whatever, > It has become a religious dogma.Certainly not a religion, and not really a dogma. The Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory is an experimental confirmation of one of Einstein's hypotheses. That's science, not religion. Jan's too dumb to understand what's going on. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●October 1, 20232023-10-01
On 2023-10-01 07:49, Jan Panteltje wrote:> On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin > <jl@997arbor.com> wrote in <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com>: > >> >> https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ > > Albert E. is much overhyped and his relatitvitty theory is useless without a particle that transmits the forces. > Dark matter searches..., > I like Le Sage > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation > and I propose that same particle is also the carrier of EM radiation > as it seems to have been measured that graffity travels at the speed of light, > Simple-city rules. > Same when Fleming had a current flowing in a vacuum tube, *electrons*. > Same for relatitvitty, just math crap without a mechanism, will always fail, keeps you stuck. > > Albert E. on his death bed, acknowledged he failed to unite the forces of nature. > His followers keep science stuck where it is and has been now since his speed was squared or whatever, > It has become a religious dogma. > > El Pante >Not sure Albert even had the time to reach a death bed, given how he passed away. But his relativity theory holds up well and is very useful. OK, not if you travel by bike, I'll grant you that. Jeroen Belleman
Reply by ●October 1, 20232023-10-01
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:>On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:59:29?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >> https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ > > >DramaAnd basic decency. And three Nobel prizes. It's astonishing how much human and economic and scientific potential was (and still is) lost from stupid sexism and racism. One side effect of two World Wars was to push women into the workplace and integrate the military.
Reply by ●October 1, 20232023-10-01
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 05:49:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:>On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997arbor.com> wrote in <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com>: > >> >>https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ > >Albert E. is much overhyped and his relatitvitty theory is useless without a particle that transmits the forces.GPS needs relativistic corrections. And they work.
Reply by ●October 1, 20232023-10-01
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 16:04:37 +0200, jeroen <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:>On 2023-10-01 07:49, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin >> <jl@997arbor.com> wrote in <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com>: >> >>> >>> https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ >> >> Albert E. is much overhyped and his relatitvitty theory is useless without a particle that transmits the forces. >> Dark matter searches..., >> I like Le Sage >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation >> and I propose that same particle is also the carrier of EM radiation >> as it seems to have been measured that graffity travels at the speed of light, >> Simple-city rules. >> Same when Fleming had a current flowing in a vacuum tube, *electrons*. >> Same for relatitvitty, just math crap without a mechanism, will always fail, keeps you stuck. >> >> Albert E. on his death bed, acknowledged he failed to unite the forces of nature. >> His followers keep science stuck where it is and has been now since his speed was squared or whatever, >> It has become a religious dogma. >> >> El Pante >> > >Not sure Albert even had the time to reach a death bed, given how he >passed away. But his relativity theory holds up well and is very >useful. OK, not if you travel by bike, I'll grant you that. > >Jeroen BellemanGravity does improve bicycling.
Reply by ●October 1, 20232023-10-01
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 5:01:52 AM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:49:12 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote: > > On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin > > <j...@997arbor.com> wrote in <vchghi54ocb2otq0p...@4ax.com>: > > > > > > > >https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ > > > > Albert E. is much overhyped and his relatitvity theory is useless without a particle that transmits the forces. > > That's where Jan is stuck in the pre-Einstein past. Einstein was happy to warp space to generate the force. No particle required. > > Dark matter searches..., > > I like Le Sage > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation > > and I propose that same particle is also the carrier of EM radiation as it seems to have been measured that gravity travels at the speed of light, > > Simplicity rules. > > And Jan is definitely a bit simple. > > Same when Fleming had a current flowing in a vacuum tube, *electrons*. > Which we can detect, measure and characterise, unlike Le Sage particles and dark matter. > > > Same for relatitvity, just math crap without a mechanism, will always fail, keeps you stuck. > > Just like Newton's theory of gravitation, which failed to predict the precession of the orbit of Mercury - not a total failure, but which was enough to open the door to Einstein. who could. > > Albert E. on his death bed, acknowledged he failed to unite the forces of nature. > He had. But he'd still got a long way towards the target. A lot further than Le Sage ever did. > > His followers keep science stuck where it is and has been now since his speed was squared or whatever, > > It has become a religious dogma. > Certainly not a religion, and not really a dogma. > > The Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory is an experimental confirmation of one of Einstein's hypotheses. That's science, not religion. > > Jan's too dumb to understand what's going on. > > -- > Bill Sloman, Sydney+1
Reply by ●October 1, 20232023-10-01
On a sunny day (Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:20:38 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com> wrote in <suvihidg17imkj4ira4eulls99tra3reio@4ax.com>:>On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 05:49:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:59:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin >><jl@997arbor.com> wrote in <vchghi54ocb2otq0p2g5o487uro7vu0549@4ax.com>: >> >>> >>>https://www.zmescience.com/feature-post/history-and-humanities/people/albert-einstein-letter-marie-curie/ >> >>Albert E. is much overhyped and his relatitvitty theory is useless without a particle that transmits the forces. > >GPS needs relativistic corrections. And they work.Think a moment, forget math, in a Le Sage theory the particle 'field strength' is stronger outside earth gravity, as close to earth many particles are intercepted by earth. When matter gets compressed more then the pendulum gets shorter, and clocks become faster. It reminds me, long before the Roman empire the Greek knew that the earth orbited the sun. Roman empire took on Christianity to control people and wrote a book how it all began 4000 years ago and earth was at the center of everything and the sun and planets orbited the earth. Complicated math was created called 'epicycles' that only the best mamaticians of those days could use to predict where planets would be at any given time. Many years after that empire collapsed earth and planets are now orbiting the sun again, and math is simple, Put it an other way: Ohms law is like Albert E.'s relatitvitty. Fleming's tube showed it was about a particle, and Ohms law broke there at that moment, current in a vacuum! Relatitvitty will give the right answer in many cases, but gives no explanation and breaks down in the real world and what we really need is _understanding_, not parroting ohms law, as that would have prevented us from having the TV and electronics we have now. Dogma Experiment is needed and a fresh look.
