https://youtube.com/shorts/a8ClPeL9-A4?feature=share Expert soldering lol! Not quite as bad as holding the iron by the hot bit, but almost.
Soldering Prowess
Started by ●May 26, 2023
Reply by ●May 27, 20232023-05-27
On Fri, 26 May 2023 17:37:28 -0700 (PDT), Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:>https://youtube.com/shorts/a8ClPeL9-A4?feature=share >Expert soldering lol! >Not quite as bad as holding the iron by the hot bit, but almost.I need a cool soldering hat like he has.
Reply by ●May 27, 20232023-05-27
Tabby wrote: --------------------------> https://youtube.com/shorts/a8ClPeL9-A4?feature=share > Expert soldering lol!** If there is any doubt, this is how it is normally and long been done: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9X0RIjJmgJo FYI Such soldered joints have a limited life span, then leak. Silver brazing is now the far preferred and often mandated way. ...... Phil
Reply by ●May 27, 20232023-05-27
On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 6:19:57 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:> Tabby wrote: > > -------------------------- > > https://youtube.com/shorts/a8ClPeL9-A4?feature=share > > Expert soldering lol! > ** If there is any doubt, this is how it is normally and long been done: > > https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9X0RIjJmgJo > > > FYI Such soldered joints have a limited life span, then leak.Not in normal-pH-water places, they don't! The old tin/lead solder doesn't dissolve (skins over after a day or two in contact with water) and unlike polymer plumbing elements, the brass/bronze/copper metal parts don't age badly. The only thing the video doesn't show, is the care to get the heaviest part of the joint up to heat, and the amount of solder applied to the joint (about a length of 0.125" wire equal to the pipe diameter) to fill the gap between mating surfaces.> Silver brazing is now the far preferred and often mandated way.... for refrigeration or compressor tubing, yes; house water pressure, though, doesn't require that strength.
Reply by ●May 27, 20232023-05-27
On Sat, 27 May 2023 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:>On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 6:19:57?AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote: >> Tabby wrote: >> >> -------------------------- >> > https://youtube.com/shorts/a8ClPeL9-A4?feature=share >> > Expert soldering lol! >> ** If there is any doubt, this is how it is normally and long been done: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9X0RIjJmgJo >> >> >> FYI Such soldered joints have a limited life span, then leak. > >Not in normal-pH-water places, they don't! The old tin/lead solder >doesn't dissolve (skins over after a day or two in contact with water) >and unlike polymer plumbing elements, the brass/bronze/copper >metal parts don't age badly. > >The only thing the video doesn't show, is the care to get >the heaviest part of the joint up to heat, and the amount of >solder applied to the joint (about a length of 0.125" wire equal to >the pipe diameter) to fill the gap between mating surfaces. > >> Silver brazing is now the far preferred and often mandated way. > >... for refrigeration or compressor tubing, yes; house water pressure, though, doesn't >require that strength.Lead-free solder and a propane torch works fine on copper pipes. 63/37 electronic solder works even better, and the lead poisoning hazard is remote if the water isn't acidic. Our water is from the mountains, naturally a bit acidic, so it's run over some limestone to protect the pipes and not leach lead from solder or brass.
Reply by ●May 27, 20232023-05-27
On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:> On Sat, 27 May 2023 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 6:19:57?AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote: > >> Tabby wrote: > >> > >> -------------------------- > >> > https://youtube.com/shorts/a8ClPeL9-A4?feature=share > >> > Expert soldering lol! > >> ** If there is any doubt, this is how it is normally and long been done: > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9X0RIjJmgJo > >> > >> > >> FYI Such soldered joints have a limited life span, then leak. > > > >Not in normal-pH-water places, they don't! The old tin/lead solder > >doesn't dissolve (skins over after a day or two in contact with water) > >and unlike polymer plumbing elements, the brass/bronze/copper > >metal parts don't age badly. > > > >The only thing the video doesn't show, is the care to get > >the heaviest part of the joint up to heat, and the amount of > >solder applied to the joint (about a length of 0.125" wire equal to > >the pipe diameter) to fill the gap between mating surfaces. > > > >> Silver brazing is now the far preferred and often mandated way. > > > >... for refrigeration or compressor tubing, yes; house water pressure, though, doesn't > >require that strength. > Lead-free solder and a propane torch works fine on copper pipes. > > 63/37 electronic solder works even better, and the lead poisoning > hazard is remote if the water isn't acidic. Our water is from the > mountains, naturally a bit acidic, so it's run over some limestone to > protect the pipes and not leach lead from solder or brass.If some is good, then more is better and too much is just enough. If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●May 28, 20232023-05-28
Tricky Ricky wrote: ---------------------------- JL wrote:> > > Lead-free solder and a propane torch works fine on copper pipes. > > > > 63/37 electronic solder works even better, and the lead poisoning > > hazard is remote if the water isn't acidic. Our water is from the > > mountains, naturally a bit acidic, so it's run over some limestone to > > protect the pipes and not leach lead from solder or brass. > > If some is good, then more is better and too much is just enough. > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? >** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. FYI: Leaded solder has long been banned from drinking water plumbing in many places, inc the UK and Australia. ...... Phil
Reply by ●May 28, 20232023-05-28
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 3:50:25 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:> Tricky Ricky wrote: > ---------------------------- > JL wrote: > > > > > Lead-free solder and a propane torch works fine on copper pipes. > > > > > > 63/37 electronic solder works even better, and the lead poisoning > > > hazard is remote if the water isn't acidic. Our water is from the > > > mountains, naturally a bit acidic, so it's run over some limestone to > > > protect the pipes and not leach lead from solder or brass. > > > > If some is good, then more is better and too much is just enough. > > > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? > > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C.You post facts, but draw no conclusions. Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing? That would be quite the stretch when soldering COPPER pipe. Copper is not remotely cheap and you probably use 1,000 times as much, either by cost or by weight. As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? -- Rick C. + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●May 28, 20232023-05-28
Ricky wrote: ------------------- Phil Allison wrote:> > Tricky Ricky wrote: > > ---------------------------- > > JL wrote: > > > > > > > Lead-free solder and a propane torch works fine on copper pipes. > > > > > > > > 63/37 electronic solder works even better, and the lead poisoning > > > > hazard is remote if the water isn't acidic. Our water is from the > > > > mountains, naturally a bit acidic, so it's run over some limestone to > > > > protect the pipes and not leach lead from solder or brass. > > > > > > If some is good, then more is better and too much is just enough. > > > > > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? > > > > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. > > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. > > You post facts, but draw no conclusions.** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.> Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing?** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes. A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.> > As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? >** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline.... .... Phil
Reply by ●May 28, 20232023-05-28
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 6:25:56 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:> Ricky wrote: > ------------------- > Phil Allison wrote: > > > Tricky Ricky wrote: > > > ---------------------------- > > > JL wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lead-free solder and a propane torch works fine on copper pipes. > > > > > > > > > > 63/37 electronic solder works even better, and the lead poisoning > > > > > hazard is remote if the water isn't acidic. Our water is from the > > > > > mountains, naturally a bit acidic, so it's run over some limestone to > > > > > protect the pipes and not leach lead from solder or brass. > > > > > > > > If some is good, then more is better and too much is just enough. > > > > > > > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? > > > > > > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. > > > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. > > > > You post facts, but draw no conclusions. > ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.That's the point. You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing. You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory. In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons.> > Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing? > ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes.Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant.> A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe. So, still not significant. If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper.> > As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? > > > ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline....Which is still not an explanation. This is classic Phil. Makes statements, then is unwilling to support them. The only real difference from Larkin, is that while he just killfiles anyone who he can cow into submission, you prefer to insult and/or hurl profanities. -- Rick C. -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
