On 6/4/2023 5:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2023 16:36:49 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/28/2023 6:40 AM, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 7:32:08?AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
>>>> Retarded Ricky wrote:
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead.
>>>>>>>> It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You post facts, but draw no conclusions.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the point. You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing.
>>>>> You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory.
>>>>> In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing?
>>>>>
>>>>>> ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant.
>>>> ** ROTFL !
>>>>>> A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe.
>>>> ** ROTFL !!!
>>>>> So, still not significant. If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper.
>>>> ** Stop it - my sides are hurting !
>>>>>>> As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline....
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is still not an explanation.
>>>> ** There was nothing to explain - you smug, retarded NUT CASE !!
>>>>
>>>>> This is classic Phil.
>>>>
>>>> ** ROTFLMAO !!
>>>>
>>>> Yep - I sure as hell know when I'm dealing with a raving lunatic.
>>>>> The only real difference from Larkin,
>>>> ** There are many, great big ones.
>>>> All of them forever incomprehensible to a rabid, autistic, ADHD fucked, narcissistic fool like YOU.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ..... love, Phil
>>>
>>> This is closer to the Phil we all know.  When you can't dispute the facts, you get silly and insulting.  But not much in the way of profanities.  Maybe you've taken the pledge?
>>>
>>> Love, Ricky
>>>
>>
>> You two get a room.
> 
> You can leave the key with me.
> 

You want in?

On Sun, 4 Jun 2023 16:36:49 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

>On 5/28/2023 6:40 AM, Ricky wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 7:32:08?AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
>>> Retarded Ricky wrote:
>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead.
>>>>>>> It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You post facts, but draw no conclusions.
>>>>
>>>>> ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.
>>>>
>>>> That's the point. You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing.
>>>> You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory.
>>>> In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons.
>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing?
>>>>
>>>>> ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant.
>>> ** ROTFL !
>>>>> A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.
>>>>
>>>> Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe.
>>> ** ROTFL !!!
>>>> So, still not significant. If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper.
>>> ** Stop it - my sides are hurting !
>>>>>> As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...?
>>>>>>
>>>>> ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline....
>>>>
>>>> Which is still not an explanation.
>>> ** There was nothing to explain - you smug, retarded NUT CASE !!
>>>
>>>> This is classic Phil.
>>>
>>> ** ROTFLMAO !!
>>>
>>> Yep - I sure as hell know when I'm dealing with a raving lunatic.
>>>> The only real difference from Larkin,
>>> ** There are many, great big ones.
>>> All of them forever incomprehensible to a rabid, autistic, ADHD fucked, narcissistic fool like YOU.
>>>
>>>
>>> ..... love, Phil
>> 
>> This is closer to the Phil we all know.  When you can't dispute the facts, you get silly and insulting.  But not much in the way of profanities.  Maybe you've taken the pledge?
>> 
>> Love, Ricky
>> 
>
>You two get a room.

You can leave the key with me.

On 5/28/2023 6:40 AM, Ricky wrote:
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 7:32:08 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
>> Retarded Ricky wrote:
>> ----------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>>>> If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead.
>>>>>> It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C.
>>>>>
>>>>> You post facts, but draw no conclusions.
>>>
>>>> ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.
>>>
>>> That's the point. You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing.
>>> You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory.
>>> In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons.
>>>
>>>>> Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing?
>>>
>>>> ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes.
>>>
>>> Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant.
>> ** ROTFL !
>>>> A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.
>>>
>>> Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe.
>> ** ROTFL !!!
>>> So, still not significant. If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper.
>> ** Stop it - my sides are hurting !
>>>>> As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...?
>>>>>
>>>> ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline....
>>>
>>> Which is still not an explanation.
>> ** There was nothing to explain - you smug, retarded NUT CASE !!
>>
>>> This is classic Phil.
>>
>> ** ROTFLMAO !!
>>
>> Yep - I sure as hell know when I'm dealing with a raving lunatic.
>>> The only real difference from Larkin,
>> ** There are many, great big ones.
>> All of them forever incomprehensible to a rabid, autistic, ADHD fucked, narcissistic fool like YOU.
>>
>>
>> ..... love, Phil
> 
> This is closer to the Phil we all know.  When you can't dispute the facts, you get silly and insulting.  But not much in the way of profanities.  Maybe you've taken the pledge?
> 
> Love, Ricky
> 

You two get a room.
-- 
"Ignorance can be educated, and crazy can be medicated, but stupid is 
forever."

John Larkin wrote:
----------------------------
 Phil Allison 
> >Retarded Ricky wrote: 
> >---------------------------------- 
> > > > 
> >> > > > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? 
> >> > > > > 
> >> > > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. 
> >> > > > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. 
> >> > > 
> >> > > You post facts, but draw no conclusions. 
> >> 
> >> > ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons. 
> >> 
> >> That's the point. You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing. 
> >> You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory. 
> >> In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons. 
> >> 
> >> > > Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing? 
> >> 
> >> > ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes. 
> >> 
> >> Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant. 
> > 
> >** ROTFL ! 
> > 
> > 
> >> > A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100. 
> >> 
> >> Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe. 
> > 
> >** ROTFL !!! 
> > 
> >> So, still not significant. If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper. 
> > 
> >** Stop it - my sides are hurting ! 
> > 
> >> > > As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? 
> >> > > 
> >> > ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline.... 
> >> 
> >> Which is still not an explanation. 
> > 
> >** There was nothing to explain - you smug, retarded NUT CASE !! 
> > 
> >> This is classic Phil. 
> > 
> >** ROTFLMAO !! 
> > 
> >Yep - I sure as hell know when I'm dealing with a raving lunatic. 
> > 
> >> The only real difference from Larkin, 
> > 
> >** There are many, great big ones. 
> > All of them forever incomprehensible to a rabid, autistic, ADHD fucked, narcissistic fool like YOU. 
> > 
> > 
> I wonder if you or Ricky have actually ever soldered copper water 
> pipes. 


**  I have, a long time ago, working under the floor of a mate's house
  We did so just as seen in the short U-tube I linked.
  IIRC, the solder sticks were 50/50 with a smear of dark coloured paste flux.

> 63/37 electronic-type solder works beautifully on copper pipes, better 
> than the lead-free stuff.

**  No doubt true, but the higher tin content type is supposed to be stronger.
I have used regular 5 core solder  ( Loctite Savbit ) to join brass tubing, works like magic.
Have had good results with "Lumiweld" sticks too, for repairs on aluminium.

> One should evaluate any possible lead hazard 
> of course. The risk is small for an occasional repair with alkaline 
> water. I don't mind a few PPT lead in my shower or car-wash water. 
> 
> I used that solder because we had a lot of it.

 **   Good enough reason.

.....Phil 

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 12:54:23 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2023 04:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison 
> <palli...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> >Retarded Ricky wrote: 

> >> > > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. 
> >> > > > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. 

> >> > A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100. 

Yeah, but a kilogram of tin is less than $25; it's not material cost, per se.

> >> Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe. 

> 63/37 electronic-type solder works beautifully on copper pipes, better 
> than the lead-free stuff. One should evaluate any possible lead hazard 
> of course. The risk is small for an occasional repair with alkaline 
> water. I don't mind a few PPT lead in my shower or car-wash water. 
> 
> I used that solder because we had a lot of it.

The 63/37 is exactly the lowest melting point, the 'easy' extreme of
possible alloys.   When lead-free solder was mandated for construction (when
was that... 1970s?) there was no need to rework existing copper plumbing,
because no significant lead loss occurs after the first few days in contact
with tap water.    Good practice was to fill the pipes with water, wait three
days, then flush them before drinking from 'em.

There's no problem with the lead-free (Sn-Sb or Sn-Ag-Cu) leadfree solders,
either.  It might seem harder to use, for someone whose torch habits were
created in the old days, but propane is quite capable of making the higher
required temperatures.

On Sun, 28 May 2023 04:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>Retarded Ricky wrote:
>----------------------------------
> > > 
>> > > > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. 
>> > > > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. 
>> > > 
>> > > You post facts, but draw no conclusions. 
>>
>> > ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.
>>
>> That's the point. You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing. 
>> You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory. 
>> In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons.
>>
>> > > Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing? 
>>
>> > ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes.
>>
>> Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant.
>
>**   ROTFL !
>
>
>> > A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.
>>
>> Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe. 
>
>**  ROTFL !!!
>
>> So, still not significant. If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper.
>
>**  Stop it -  my sides are hurting ! 
>
>> > > As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? 
>> > > 
>> > ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline....
>>
>> Which is still not an explanation.
>
>**  There was nothing to explain  - you smug, retarded NUT CASE !!  
>
>> This is classic Phil. 
>
>**   ROTFLMAO   !!
>
>Yep  - I sure as hell know when I'm dealing with a raving lunatic.
>
>> The only real difference from Larkin, 
>
>**  There are many, great big ones.
>   All of them forever incomprehensible to a rabid, autistic, ADHD fucked, narcissistic fool like YOU.  
>
>
>.....   love,   Phil 

I wonder if you or Ricky have actually ever soldered copper water
pipes.

63/37 electronic-type solder works beautifully on copper pipes, better
than the lead-free stuff. One should evaluate any possible lead hazard
of course. The risk is small for an occasional repair with alkaline
water. I don't mind a few PPT lead in my shower or car-wash water.

I used that solder because we had a lot of it. 

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 7:32:08 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
> Retarded Ricky wrote: 
> ----------------------------------
> > > 
> > > > > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. 
> > > > > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. 
> > > > 
> > > > You post facts, but draw no conclusions. 
> > 
> > > ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons. 
> > 
> > That's the point. You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing. 
> > You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory. 
> > In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons. 
> > 
> > > > Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing? 
> > 
> > > ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes. 
> > 
> > Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant.
> ** ROTFL !
> > > A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100. 
> > 
> > Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe.
> ** ROTFL !!!
> > So, still not significant. If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper.
> ** Stop it - my sides are hurting !
> > > > As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? 
> > > > 
> > > ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline.... 
> > 
> > Which is still not an explanation.
> ** There was nothing to explain - you smug, retarded NUT CASE !! 
> 
> > This is classic Phil. 
> 
> ** ROTFLMAO !! 
> 
> Yep - I sure as hell know when I'm dealing with a raving lunatic.
> > The only real difference from Larkin,
> ** There are many, great big ones. 
> All of them forever incomprehensible to a rabid, autistic, ADHD fucked, narcissistic fool like YOU. 
> 
> 
> ..... love, Phil

This is closer to the Phil we all know.  When you can't dispute the facts, you get silly and insulting.  But not much in the way of profanities.  Maybe you've taken the pledge? 

Love, Ricky

-- 

  Rick C.

  -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
  -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Retarded Ricky wrote:
----------------------------------
 > > 
> > > > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? 
> > > > > 
> > > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. 
> > > > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. 
> > > 
> > > You post facts, but draw no conclusions. 
>
> > ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.
>
> That's the point. You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing. 
> You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory. 
> In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons.
>
> > > Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing? 
>
> > ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes.
>
> Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant.

**   ROTFL !


> > A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.
>
> Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe. 

**  ROTFL !!!

> So, still not significant. If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper.

**  Stop it -  my sides are hurting ! 

> > > As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? 
> > > 
> > ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline....
>
> Which is still not an explanation.

**  There was nothing to explain  - you smug, retarded NUT CASE !!  

> This is classic Phil. 

**   ROTFLMAO   !!

Yep  - I sure as hell know when I'm dealing with a raving lunatic.

> The only real difference from Larkin, 

**  There are many, great big ones.
   All of them forever incomprehensible to a rabid, autistic, ADHD fucked, narcissistic fool like YOU.  


.....   love,   Phil 

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 6:25:56 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
> Ricky wrote: 
> -------------------
> Phil Allison wrote: 
> > > Tricky Ricky wrote: 
> > > ---------------------------- 
> > > JL wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > Lead-free solder and a propane torch works fine on copper pipes. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 63/37 electronic solder works even better, and the lead poisoning 
> > > > > hazard is remote if the water isn't acidic. Our water is from the 
> > > > > mountains, naturally a bit acidic, so it's run over some limestone to 
> > > > > protect the pipes and not leach lead from solder or brass. 
> > > > 
> > > > If some is good, then more is better and too much is just enough. 
> > > > 
> > > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? 
> > > > 
> > > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. 
> > > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C. 
> > 
> > You post facts, but draw no conclusions.
> ** I answered your smug "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.

That's the point.  You didn't give any "valid" reasons, because you explained nothing.  You did a Larkin, where you provide some detailed fact, which you expect is self explanatory.  In reality, they were neither self explanatory, nor valid reasons. 


> > Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing?
> ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand - then yes. 

Sorry, $0.10 vs $0.01 is not significant.  


> A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.

Which will last for many thousands of dollars worth of copper pipe.  So, still not significant.  If you can't afford the solder, you surely can't afford the copper. 


> > As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? 
> >
> ** There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline.... 

Which is still not an explanation.  This is classic Phil.  Makes statements, then is unwilling to support them.  The only real difference from Larkin, is that while he just killfiles anyone who he can cow into submission, you prefer to insult and/or hurl profanities.  

-- 

  Rick C.

  -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
  -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 Ricky wrote:
-------------------
 Phil Allison wrote: 
> > Tricky Ricky wrote: 
> > ---------------------------- 
> > JL wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > Lead-free solder and a propane torch works fine on copper pipes. 
> > > > 
> > > > 63/37 electronic solder works even better, and the lead poisoning 
> > > > hazard is remote if the water isn't acidic. Our water is from the 
> > > > mountains, naturally a bit acidic, so it's run over some limestone to 
> > > > protect the pipes and not leach lead from solder or brass. 
> > > 
> > > If some is good, then more is better and too much is just enough. 
> > > 
> > > If lead free works fine, then why bother with what *you* think is "better"? 
> > > 
> > ** 97% tin, 3% copper solder, as used for plumbing, is way more expensive - tin is over 10 times the cost of lead. 
> > It also has a higher melting point by 45 degrees C.
>
> You post facts, but draw no conclusions. 

 **  I answered your smug  "why bother" Q with two valid reasons.

> Are you saying the cost of solder is in any way significant when installing plumbing? 

 ** If you have only a couple of bad joints to fix and 63/37 on hand  -  then yes.

    A 500gm reel of Sn/Cu solder can cost you as much as $100.  
  
> 
> As to your temperature comment, I repeat my question: If lead free works fine...? 
> 

**  There IS more than one way to remove the skin from a feline....
 
    

....   Phil