https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will likely hit 250, if it's ever done. https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile
The Iron Law
Started by ●May 24, 2023
Reply by ●May 24, 20232023-05-24
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:02:43 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail > > That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will > likely hit 250, if it's ever done. > > https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mileThe iron law is that if a bunch of right-wing nut cases write about a large government project, it is going to be one that has run into cost over-runs. Projects that are novel often turn out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. There's nothing novel about high speed rail links - Japan and France have been running them for decades now - but Americans aren't happy to accept that they should build a Chinese copy of something that is known to work and insist on inventing their own solution, which turns out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. The fact that France and Japan both have rather higher population densities than California is an additional complication. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●May 24, 20232023-05-24
On 5/23/2023 11:02 PM, John Larkin wrote:> > https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail > > That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will > likely hit 250, if it's ever done. > > https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile > >Well, I guess you people in California have a problem, eh? -- "Ignorance can be educated, and crazy can be medicated, but stupid is forever."
Reply by ●May 24, 20232023-05-24
On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:18:17 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:>On 5/23/2023 11:02 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall >> >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail >> >> That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will >> likely hit 250, if it's ever done. >> >> https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile >> >> > >Well, I guess you people in California have a problem, eh?I suppose some do. The key to enjoying California, and probably to enjoying anywhere, is to ignore and avoid unpleasent things when you can, and indulge in the good bits. That is easily done in most of the USA. My little village is cool. I just delivered an assorted 6-pack of cold beer to the (obviously illegal) Mexican guys building a deck next door. They are great. If you care about politics and read the news all the time, or flame on newsgroups, you can make yourself miserable. Building things, especially designing electronics, is a happier thing to do. Or woodworking, or making music, whatever you can do.
Reply by ●May 24, 20232023-05-24
On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:02:43 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail > > That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will > likely hit 250, if it's ever done. > > https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mileThese are all workfare projects. No one has an ounce of concern for the costs. The more cost, and time to completion, if ever, the better.
Reply by ●May 24, 20232023-05-24
On Wed, 24 May 2023 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:>On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:02:43?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall >> >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail >> >> That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will >> likely hit 250, if it's ever done. >> >> https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile > >These are all workfare projects. No one has an ounce of concern for the costs. The more cost, and time to completion, if ever, the better.But it creates good union jobs.
Reply by ●May 25, 20232023-05-25
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:12:06 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:> On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:18:17 -0500, John S <Sop...@invalid.org> > wrote: > >On 5/23/2023 11:02 PM, John Larkin wrote: > >> > >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail > >> > >> That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will likely hit 250, if it's ever done. > >> > >> https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile > > > >Well, I guess you people in California have a problem, eh? > > I suppose some do. The key to enjoying California, and probably to enjoying anywhere, is to ignore and avoid unpleasent things when you can, and indulge in the good bits. That is easily done in most of the USA.If you have enough money,> My little village is cool. I just delivered an assorted 6-pack of cold beer to the (obviously illegal) Mexican guys building a deck next door. They are great.Wonderful country where "obviously illegal Mexicans" are getting underpaid by some exploiter who is getting away with it. The current Australian goverment is dealing with out version of this by raising the salary threshold for the kind of work for whicuy you can inport people from $A55,000 per year to $A70,000 per year. https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=2d7d241f-d9d8-44a8-875a-2fe7652c7363 It will probably put more pressure on the education system to train up more of the kind of people we used to import, which is a good thing. Trade schools have been turning themselves into "universities" rather too rapidly in recent decades.> If you care about politics and read the news all the time, or flame on newsgroups, you can make yourself miserable. Building things, especially designing electronics, is a happier thing to do.Persuading yourself that what you do in electronics is actually electronic design does seem to make you happy. A slightly more realistic outlook might give you better electronic circuits to sell.> Or woodworking, or making music, whatever you can do.Or can persuade other people that you can do. Being realistic about your capacities doesn't make you happy, but it can make other people happier. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●May 25, 20232023-05-25
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:38:42 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:> On Wed, 24 May 2023 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:02:43?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: > >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall > >> > >> > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail > >> > >> That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will > >> likely hit 250, if it's ever done. > >> > >> https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile > > > >These are all workfare projects. No one has an ounce of concern for the costs. The more cost, and time to completion, if ever, the better. > > But it creates good union jobs.The managements and planning clowns do even better, and they feed the politicians with the fantasy projects in the first place. -- Bil Sloman, Sydhney
Reply by ●May 25, 20232023-05-25
On Wed, 24 May 2023 21:46:49 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:>On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:12:06?AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:18:17 -0500, John S <Sop...@invalid.org> >> wrote: >> >On 5/23/2023 11:02 PM, John Larkin wrote: >> >> >> >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall >> >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail >> >> >> >> That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will likely hit 250, if it's ever done. >> >> >> >> https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile >> > >> >Well, I guess you people in California have a problem, eh? >> >> I suppose some do. The key to enjoying California, and probably to enjoying anywhere, is to ignore and avoid unpleasent things when you can, and indulge in the good bits. That is easily done in most of the USA. > >If you have enough money, > >> My little village is cool. I just delivered an assorted 6-pack of cold beer to the (obviously illegal) Mexican guys building a deck next door. They are great. > >Wonderful country where "obviously illegal Mexicans" are getting underpaid by some exploiter who is getting away with it.They each get $75 per hour plus free beer. How much do you make?
Reply by ●May 25, 20232023-05-25
On 5/23/23 21:36, Anthony William Sloman wrote:> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:02:43 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote: >> https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/green-projects-hit-iron-wall >> >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail >> >> That was approved at $10 billion, is now projected at 105, and will >> likely hit 250, if it's ever done. >> >> https://www.hoover.org/research/little-engine-couldnt-californias-high-speed-rail-costs-rise-200-million-mile > > The iron law is that if a bunch of right-wing nut cases write about a large government project, it is going to be one that has run into cost over-runs. > > Projects that are novel often turn out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. There's nothing novel about high speed rail links - Japan and France have been running them for decades now - but Americans aren't happy to accept that they should build a Chinese copy of something that is known to work and insist on inventing their own solution, which turns out to be more complicated and expensive than expected. The fact that France and Japan both have rather higher population densities than California is an additional complication. >heh, that's not fair. There are plenty of dense people in California, centered around Sacramento it seems.
