On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:> On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: > > > > > > Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't expect the same performance as an injected molded > > > > > > >part. But, if it is common enough to be a noteworthy > > > > > > >problem, then I'm probably better off pursuing a different > > > > > > >technology. > > > > > > It is possible to print with carbon fiber loaded nylon or PETG if > > > > > > money is not your first problem. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but carbon loaded filament is not a win on strength. > > > > > > > Carbon fibre is remarkably strong - better than steel for the same weight. It's not clear that you can get enough carbon fibre into a 3-D printed part to beat something 3-D printed by laser-fusing steel powder. > > > > > > Commercially available Carbon fibre loaded filament is a much different animal to fibre mat impregnated with resin. Testing shows plain non-fibre plastic filament to be stronger. > > > Incompetents can always misuse materials. Trust Tabby to fixate on what some incompetent idiot - probably him - has got wrong. > > another bs based ego fuelled comment from SlomanTabby's ego make it hard for him to accept what an obviously incompetent idiot he is. He does lash out when it is pointed out. -- Bill Sloman. Sydney
OT: 3D printing
Started by ●March 20, 2023
Reply by ●March 28, 20232023-03-28
Reply by ●March 28, 20232023-03-28
On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 04:36:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: > > > > > > > Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't expect the same performance as an injected molded > > > > > > > >part. But, if it is common enough to be a noteworthy > > > > > > > >problem, then I'm probably better off pursuing a different > > > > > > > >technology. > > > > > > > It is possible to print with carbon fiber loaded nylon or PETG if > > > > > > > money is not your first problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but carbon loaded filament is not a win on strength. > > > > > > > > > Carbon fibre is remarkably strong - better than steel for the same weight. It's not clear that you can get enough carbon fibre into a 3-D printed part to beat something 3-D printed by laser-fusing steel powder. > > > > > > > > Commercially available Carbon fibre loaded filament is a much different animal to fibre mat impregnated with resin. Testing shows plain non-fibre plastic filament to be stronger. > > > > > Incompetents can always misuse materials. Trust Tabby to fixate on what some incompetent idiot - probably him - has got wrong. > > > > another bs based ego fuelled comment from Sloman > > Tabby's ego make it hard for him to accept what an obviously incompetent idiot he is. He does lash out when it is pointed out.No need. I've seen the tests. C fibre bearing filament doesn't work in terms of improving strength. It's not hard to work out why.
Reply by ●March 28, 20232023-03-28
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:45:13 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:> On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 04:36:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: > > > > > > > > Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't expect the same performance as an injected molded > > > > > > > > >part. But, if it is common enough to be a noteworthy > > > > > > > > >problem, then I'm probably better off pursuing a different > > > > > > > > >technology. > > > > > > > > It is possible to print with carbon fiber loaded nylon or PETG if > > > > > > > > money is not your first problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but carbon loaded filament is not a win on strength. > > > > > > > > > > > Carbon fibre is remarkably strong - better than steel for the same weight. It's not clear that you can get enough carbon fibre into a 3-D printed part to beat something 3-D printed by laser-fusing steel powder. > > > > > > > > > > Commercially available Carbon fibre loaded filament is a much different animal to fibre mat impregnated with resin. Testing shows plain non-fibre plastic filament to be stronger. > > > > > > > Incompetents can always misuse materials. Trust Tabby to fixate on what some incompetent idiot - probably him - has got wrong. > > > > > > another bs based ego fuelled comment from Sloman > > > > Tabby's ego make it hard for him to accept what an obviously incompetent idiot he is. He does lash out when it is pointed out. > > No need. I've seen the tests. C fibre bearing filament doesn't work in terms of improving strength. It's not hard to work out why.The fibres won't cross from one printed layer to the next. The individual elements may be stronger, but they don't bond any better to the next layer. What's required are hairy filaments, but so far that is in the too hard basket, and Tabby is too dumb to be able to spell that out. -- Bill Slomnan, Sydney
Reply by ●March 29, 20232023-03-29
On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:22:37 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:45:13 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 04:36:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: > > > > > > > > > Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't expect the same performance as an injected molded > > > > > > > > > >part. But, if it is common enough to be a noteworthy > > > > > > > > > >problem, then I'm probably better off pursuing a different > > > > > > > > > >technology. > > > > > > > > > It is possible to print with carbon fiber loaded nylon or PETG if > > > > > > > > > money is not your first problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but carbon loaded filament is not a win on strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carbon fibre is remarkably strong - better than steel for the same weight. It's not clear that you can get enough carbon fibre into a 3-D printed part to beat something 3-D printed by laser-fusing steel powder. > > > > > > > > > > > > Commercially available Carbon fibre loaded filament is a much different animal to fibre mat impregnated with resin. Testing shows plain non-fibre plastic filament to be stronger. > > > > > > > > > Incompetents can always misuse materials. Trust Tabby to fixate on what some incompetent idiot - probably him - has got wrong. > > > > > > > > another bs based ego fuelled comment from Sloman > > > > > > Tabby's ego make it hard for him to accept what an obviously incompetent idiot he is. He does lash out when it is pointed out. > > > > No need. I've seen the tests. C fibre bearing filament doesn't work in terms of improving strength. It's not hard to work out why. > The fibres won't cross from one printed layer to the next. The individual elements may be stronger, but they don't bond any better to the next layer.Yup, so you get thin layers of plastic without effective reinforcement. IIRC even within layers it wasn't effective, meaning the fibres are too short.> What's required are hairy filaments, but so far that is in the too hard basket, and Tabby is too dumb to be able to spell that out. > > -- > Bill Slomnan, Sydney
Reply by ●March 29, 20232023-03-29
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:15:20 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:> On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:22:37 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:45:13 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 04:36:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't expect the same performance as an injected molded > > > > > > > > > > >part. But, if it is common enough to be a noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > >problem, then I'm probably better off pursuing a different > > > > > > > > > > >technology. > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to print with carbon fiber loaded nylon or PETG if > > > > > > > > > > money is not your first problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but carbon loaded filament is not a win on strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carbon fibre is remarkably strong - better than steel for the same weight. It's not clear that you can get enough carbon fibre into a 3-D printed part to beat something 3-D printed by laser-fusing steel powder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commercially available Carbon fibre loaded filament is a much different animal to fibre mat impregnated with resin. Testing shows plain non-fibre plastic filament to be stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > Incompetents can always misuse materials. Trust Tabby to fixate on what some incompetent idiot - probably him - has got wrong. > > > > > > > > > > another bs based ego fuelled comment from Sloman > > > > > > > > Tabby's ego make it hard for him to accept what an obviously incompetent idiot he is. He does lash out when it is pointed out. > > > > > > No need. I've seen the tests. C fibre bearing filament doesn't work in terms of improving strength. It's not hard to work out why. > > > > The fibres won't cross from one printed layer to the next. The individual elements may be stronger, but they don't bond any better to the next layer. > > What's required are hairy filaments, but so far that is in the too hard basket, and Tabby is too dumb to be able to spell that out. > > Yup, so you get thin layers of plastic without effective reinforcement. IIRC even within layers it wasn't effective, meaning the fibres are too short.What matters is the aspect ratio of the fibres, and carbon fibres are pretty impressive there. If there aren't any fibres bridging the layers there's an obvious failure point there. Fibre-reinforced composite materials depend on bonding high aspect ratio fibres along most of their length, with the bonding material moving to fill in any gaps that might develop as the material moves under stress. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●March 29, 20232023-03-29
On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 06:45:19 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:15:20 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:22:37 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:45:13 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 04:36:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't expect the same performance as an injected molded > > > > > > > > > > > >part. But, if it is common enough to be a noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > >problem, then I'm probably better off pursuing a different > > > > > > > > > > > >technology. > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to print with carbon fiber loaded nylon or PETG if > > > > > > > > > > > money is not your first problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but carbon loaded filament is not a win on strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carbon fibre is remarkably strong - better than steel for the same weight. It's not clear that you can get enough carbon fibre into a 3-D printed part to beat something 3-D printed by laser-fusing steel powder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commercially available Carbon fibre loaded filament is a much different animal to fibre mat impregnated with resin. Testing shows plain non-fibre plastic filament to be stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incompetents can always misuse materials. Trust Tabby to fixate on what some incompetent idiot - probably him - has got wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > another bs based ego fuelled comment from Sloman > > > > > > > > > > Tabby's ego make it hard for him to accept what an obviously incompetent idiot he is. He does lash out when it is pointed out. > > > > > > > > No need. I've seen the tests. C fibre bearing filament doesn't work in terms of improving strength. It's not hard to work out why. > > > > > > The fibres won't cross from one printed layer to the next. The individual elements may be stronger, but they don't bond any better to the next layer. > > > What's required are hairy filaments, but so far that is in the too hard basket, and Tabby is too dumb to be able to spell that out. > > > > Yup, so you get thin layers of plastic without effective reinforcement. IIRC even within layers it wasn't effective, meaning the fibres are too short.He edited the quoted text to make it look like I was saying yes to being dumb. That's funnily pathetic.
Reply by ●March 30, 20232023-03-30
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:35:07 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:> On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 06:45:19 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:15:20 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:22:37 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:45:13 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 04:36:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't expect the same performance as an injected molded > > > > > > > > > > > > >part. But, if it is common enough to be a noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > >problem, then I'm probably better off pursuing a different > > > > > > > > > > > > >technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to print with carbon fiber loaded nylon or PETG if > > > > > > > > > > > > money is not your first problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but carbon loaded filament is not a win on strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carbon fibre is remarkably strong - better than steel for the same weight. It's not clear that you can get enough carbon fibre into a 3-D printed part to beat something 3-D printed by laser-fusing steel powder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commercially available Carbon fibre loaded filament is a much different animal to fibre mat impregnated with resin. Testing shows plain non-fibre plastic filament to be stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incompetents can always misuse materials. Trust Tabby to fixate on what some incompetent idiot - probably him - has got wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another bs based ego fuelled comment from Sloman > > > > > > > > > > > > Tabby's ego make it hard for him to accept what an obviously incompetent idiot he is. He does lash out when it is pointed out. > > > > > > > > > > No need. I've seen the tests. C fibre bearing filament doesn't work in terms of improving strength. It's not hard to work out why. > > > > > > > > The fibres won't cross from one printed layer to the next. The individual elements may be stronger, but they don't bond any better to the next layer. > > > > What's required are hairy filaments, but so far that is in the too hard basket, and Tabby is too dumb to be able to spell that out. > > > > > > Yup, so you get thin layers of plastic without effective reinforcement. IIRC even within layers it wasn't effective, meaning the fibres are too short. > > He edited the quoted text to make it look like I was saying yes to being dumb. That's funnily pathetic.Tabby formated his response to evade the fact that I'd pointed out that he was being dumb. He didn't argue the point - just made it less salient. That really was pathetic. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●March 30, 20232023-03-30
On 30/03/23 14:21, Anthony William Sloman wrote:> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:35:07 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: >> On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 06:45:19 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:15:20 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:22:37 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:45:13 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 04:36:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't expect the same performance as an injected molded >>>>>>>>>>>>>> part. But, if it is common enough to be a noteworthy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, then I'm probably better off pursuing a different >>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is possible to print with carbon fiber loaded nylon or PETG if >>>>>>>>>>>>> money is not your first problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but carbon loaded filament is not a win on strength. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Carbon fibre is remarkably strong - better than steel for the same weight. It's not clear that you can get enough carbon fibre into a 3-D printed part to beat something 3-D printed by laser-fusing steel powder. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Commercially available Carbon fibre loaded filament is a much different animal to fibre mat impregnated with resin. Testing shows plain non-fibre plastic filament to be stronger. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Incompetents can always misuse materials. Trust Tabby to fixate on what some incompetent idiot - probably him - has got wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> another bs based ego fuelled comment from Sloman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tabby's ego make it hard for him to accept what an obviously incompetent idiot he is. He does lash out when it is pointed out. >>>>>> >>>>>> No need. I've seen the tests. C fibre bearing filament doesn't work in terms of improving strength. It's not hard to work out why. >>>>> >>>>> The fibres won't cross from one printed layer to the next. The individual elements may be stronger, but they don't bond any better to the next layer. >>>>> What's required are hairy filaments, but so far that is in the too hard basket, and Tabby is too dumb to be able to spell that out. >>>> >>>> Yup, so you get thin layers of plastic without effective reinforcement. IIRC even within layers it wasn't effective, meaning the fibres are too short. >> >> He edited the quoted text to make it look like I was saying yes to being dumb. That's funnily pathetic. > > Tabby formated his response to evade the fact that I'd pointed out that he was being dumb. He didn't argue the point - just made it less salient. > > That really was pathetic.How old are you Bill? 70? or 7? You have a damn gall talking about someone else being pathetic. Eye, meet log.
Reply by ●March 30, 20232023-03-30
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:24:42 PM UTC+11, Clifford Heath wrote:> On 30/03/23 14:21, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:35:07 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 06:45:19 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:15:20 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > >>>> On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:22:37 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > >>>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:45:13 PM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > >>>>>> On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 04:36:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:32:52 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 15:01:50 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:41:44 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 03:11:31 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 9:23:31 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 15:15:10 UTC, olaf wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:<snip>> >>>>>> No need. I've seen the tests. C fibre bearing filament doesn't work in terms of improving strength. It's not hard to work out why. > >>>>> > >>>>> The fibres won't cross from one printed layer to the next. The individual elements may be stronger, but they don't bond any better to the next layer. > >>>>> What's required are hairy filaments, but so far that is in the too hard basket, and Tabby is too dumb to be able to spell that out. > >>>> > >>>> Yup, so you get thin layers of plastic without effective reinforcement. IIRC even within layers it wasn't effective, meaning the fibres are too short. > >> > >> He edited the quoted text to make it look like I was saying yes to being dumb. That's funnily pathetic. > > > > Tabby formated his response to evade the fact that I'd pointed out that he was being dumb. He didn't argue the point - just made it less salient. > > > > That really was pathetic. > > How old are you Bill? 70? or 7? You have a damn gall talking about someone else being pathetic. Eye, meet log.I'm 80. You haven't got the biblical reference quite right, so you seem to have your own problems. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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