FlyDope <Dopier2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:72084261-bc57-4931-8b3e-eeda02257111n@googlegroups.com:> BTW, "small" means tens of thousands of glider pilots in the US, > most of whom belong to clubs and don't personally own a glider.Which would mean that were this bird safe, far more than 100 of them would have been produced by now.
A letter to President Biden
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Skybuck Flying <skybuckflying@gmail.com> wrote in news:eb5e0088-7acc-4927-8fd4-bc031df3fbe1n@googlegroups.com:> Interesting the recent launch of a secret object into space may > have something to do with this... > > Bye, > Skybuck. >You are an idiot and the only thing between your ears is space.
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On 11/3/22 08:28, Flyguy wrote:> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:30:52 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org > wrote: >> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+11, corvid >> wrote: >>> On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: >>>> corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in >>>> news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org: >>>> >>>>> On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd >>>>>>>> idiot can't get anything right. I sure hope to hell he >>>>>>>> never pilots an airplane. What an idiot. >>>>> >>>>> Yikes. At least he won't be chopping up people with that >>>>> propeller. >>>>> >>>>>>> Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns? >>>>>> >>>>>> ASH 31Mi >>>>> >>>>> Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky >>>>> after the engine is shut off. Yours do that? >>>>> >>>> >>>> There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers >>>> must know something. >>> I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere >>> wheel-up landing, another had the pilot bail out. >>> >>> Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge. >>> The maggot probably just thermals over flatlands. >> Even that can kill you. One of my wife's graduate students lost her >> fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition in Poland >> (which is pretty flat). >> >> -- Bill Sloman, Sydney > > Flying gliders IS a high-risk activity - I will not deny that. You > spend A LOT of your flight time in a classic stall-spin regime: high > bank angle at near stall speed. And the air around you can be quite > turbulent, which can lead to a sudden tail gust that stalls you. At > altitude, this is a non-event, but close to the terrain, it is > deadly. A good friend of mine, highly experienced with thousands of > hours in all types of aircraft, commercial and military, was killed > in this manner.A tail gust doesn't stall the wing. That's like the 'downwind turn' myth. Nor does the nebulous "near stall speed". Bank angle doesn't do it either. Have you ever been in a spin, maybe in a C150 during training? I imagine the glider is not approved for intentional spins, but it must spin r-e-a-l-l-y slowly if it happens. Is there enough rudder to stop it? Are you the test pilot?
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On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:32:11 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:08:58 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:36:43 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: > > > > corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org: > > > > > On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote: > > > > >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote: > > > > >>> On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:<snip>> > > Be aware that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the glider community - it is NOT a high run consumer product. > > > > And the gliding community isn't all that large. With people like Gnatguy in it one can understand why. > > HA HA HA HA! Bozo should LOOK IN THE MIRROR when it comes to identifying repulsive people.Gantguy does seem to spend a lot of time looking into hos own mirror, and seems to imagine that other people have the same problem. His problem is that he doesn't understand what he sees - he might modify his behavior if he did.> Bozo spends ALL of his waking time glued to his computer screen waiting to pounce on anyone who disagrees with him.I put in an hour or so a day. I do have other things to do and I seem to be able to type faster than Gnatguy can. I'm not looking for people who disagree with me, but rather for people who are posting demonstrably erroneous nonsense - and Gnatguy does a lot of that.> BTW, "small" means tens of thousands of glider pilots in the US, most of whom belong to clubs and don't personally own a glider.Not exactly a lot of people in a country with a population of 300 million. I knew more people who went in for sailboat racing that I knew from the gliding community. -- Bill Sloman, Sydhney
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On 11/2/22 22:08, Anthony William Sloman wrote:> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 3:36:43 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote: >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:14:44 PM UTC-7, >> DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: >>> corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in >>> news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org: >>>> On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd idiot >>>>>>> can't get anything right. I sure hope to hell he never >>>>>>> pilots an airplane. What an idiot. >>>> >>>> Yikes. At least he won't be chopping up people with that >>>> propeller. >>>> >>>>>> Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns? >>>>> >>>>> ASH 31Mi >>>> >>>> Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky after >>>> the engine is shut off. Yours do that? >>>> >>> There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers must >>> know something. >> >> Sorry, Decadent Linux User Numero Uno, but your numbers are way >> off. > > But Gnatguy can't be bothered to post a link to a source of correct > numbers. If he did we'd probably find out that he'd misunderstood the > data he thought that he'd found.Excel spreadsheets can be had here. https://www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics 2021 Active Civil Airmen Statistics has glider pilots on tab 8. With his Private Glider credentials only, the Gnat is one of 11,219. But note that "An active airman is one who holds both an airmen certificate and a valid medical certificate. Airmen who must have a valid medical to exercise the privileges of their certificate are all airplane pilots, rotorcraft pilots, flight navigators, and flight engineers. Glider pilots are not required to have a medical examination but the numbers represent only those who had a valid medical certificate on record at the Aeronautical Center." Gnatguy, and other disturbed and uncounted people, may have turned to gliders because they'll never pass a medical.>> Be aware that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the >> glider community - it is NOT a high run consumer product. > > And the gliding community isn't all that large. With people like > Gnatguy in it one can understand why.
Reply by ●November 4, 20222022-11-04
On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:24:03 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:> FlyDope <evenmorest...@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:b615c81e-3aff-462f...@googlegroups.com: > > Sorry, DecayedBrainMatter, but your numbers are way off. Be aware > > that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the glider > > community - it is NOT a high run consumer product. > It was not a "production run" you fucking retard. That is the entire > number they have ever made. If it was a production line item, meny > more would have been produced, idiot. They are likely crafted one or > two at a time. The number reflects popularity in the realm. It is not > that high, and not so for the reason you tried to give.Your ignorance is at a level unknown to mankind, fool. You have NO IDEA what serial aircraft production consists of, and have a hermetically sealed mind about learning. Production gliders are certified under the European authority EASA after all required testing protocols have been successfully completed - an involved process. The glider manufacturing market is small by US standards, being a specialized recreational aircraft: https://www.fiormarkets.com/report/global-gliders-market-growth-2019-2024-381409.html
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On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 12:04:47 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote:> On 11/3/22 08:28, Flyguy wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:30:52 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org > > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+11, corvid > >> wrote: > >>> On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: > >>>> corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in > >>>> news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org: > >>>> > >>>>> On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote: > >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd > >>>>>>>> idiot can't get anything right. I sure hope to hell he > >>>>>>>> never pilots an airplane. What an idiot. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yikes. At least he won't be chopping up people with that > >>>>> propeller. > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ASH 31Mi > >>>>> > >>>>> Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky > >>>>> after the engine is shut off. Yours do that? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers > >>>> must know something. > >>> I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere > >>> wheel-up landing, another had the pilot bail out. > >>> > >>> Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge. > >>> The maggot probably just thermals over flatlands. > >> Even that can kill you. One of my wife's graduate students lost her > >> fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition in Poland > >> (which is pretty flat). > >> > >> -- Bill Sloman, Sydney > > > > Flying gliders IS a high-risk activity - I will not deny that. You > > spend A LOT of your flight time in a classic stall-spin regime: high > > bank angle at near stall speed. And the air around you can be quite > > turbulent, which can lead to a sudden tail gust that stalls you. At > > altitude, this is a non-event, but close to the terrain, it is > > deadly. A good friend of mine, highly experienced with thousands of > > hours in all types of aircraft, commercial and military, was killed > > in this manner. > A tail gust doesn't stall the wing. That's like the 'downwind turn' > myth. Nor does the nebulous "near stall speed". Bank angle doesn't do it > either. > > Have you ever been in a spin, maybe in a C150 during training? > I imagine the glider is not approved for intentional spins, but it must > spin r-e-a-l-l-y slowly if it happens. Is there enough rudder to stop > it? Are you the test pilot?A tail gust certainly CAN and sometimes DOES stall a glider. Being flown close to stall speed to being with, a tail gust effectively reduces the airspeed to below the stall speed. Really, this involves the critical angle of attack, which is over the head of the readers of this newsgroup, so I won't discuss it. The bank angle is critical because the inside (down) wing is flying slower than the outside (up) wing, and stalls first. With the outside wing still generating lift that is no longer balanced by the inside wing, the aircraft rotates "over the top" and enters a spin. The rotation rate is relatively slow, but the glider rapidly accelerates being a low drag aircraft to begin with. You only have seconds to recover from the spin before the Vne (never exceed speed) is reached. Beyond this the wings will separate from the aircraft. The ONLY control surface available to you to stop this is the rudder, which must be applied counter to the direction of rotation. Once the spin is arrested you are STILL falling straight down and must CAREFULLY pull out of the dive being careful not to overstress the wings (or they will fold up like a book). Spins have been successfully recovered from in innumerable situations, but not always: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2008-05-09/final-report-sailplane-wing-failure-killed-engen-and-friend
Reply by ●November 4, 20222022-11-04
TrumpChump <Trumpdingleberry2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:72333e81-8bb9-4eca-8b1d-31b9acb9e665n@googlegroups.com:> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:24:03 AM UTC-7, > DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: >> FlyDope <evenmorest...@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:b615c81e-3aff-462f...@googlegroups.com: >> > Sorry, DecayedBrainMatter, but your numbers are way off. Be >> > aware that even a production run of 100 is pretty high in the >> > glider community - it is NOT a high run consumer product. >> It was not a "production run" you fucking retard. That is the >> entire number they have ever made. If it was a production line >> item, meny more would have been produced, idiot. They are likely >> crafted one or two at a time. The number reflects popularity in >> the realm. It is not that high, and not so for the reason you >> tried to give. > > Your ignorance is at a level unknown to mankind, fool.Hahahaha... This TrumpTarded utter idiot calling someone... anyone other than himself a fool. Now that's is a joke on mankind.> You have NO > IDEA what serial aircraft production consists of,You have no idea what I may or may not have any ideas about anything, putz motherfucker.> and have a > hermetically sealed mind about learning.I learn every day. When are you going to learn that you backed a loser and still have your head stuffed up his fat, skanky, criminal ass? You espousing on someone's learning capacity is absolutely laughable.> Production gliders are > certified under the European authority EASA after all required > testing protocols have been successfully completed - an involved > process.Yes, they followed the lead of US safety authorities. So I am quite familiar with it.> The glider manufacturing market is small by US standards,Your capacity to obtain, much less grasp factual statistics is 100% in question, which makes your credibility in making such a statement pretty much nil. Picking Trump after FAILING to perform your due diligence and VET the proven lifelong criminal pretty much seals that fact. You have zero analytical capacity, and you have proven it here as you remain attached to his ass as a TrumpDingleberry. snipped unvisited stupid link.
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FlyDope <crash2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e09e861f-586c-42ac-82f2-9e94a478d785n@googlegroups.com:> A tail gust certainly CAN and sometimes DOES stall a glider. Being > flown close to stall speed to being with, a tail gust effectively > reduces the airspeed to below the stall speed.No shirt, shitlock. What idiot would only fly at just near the stall speed? Oh, that's right... YOU would.> Really, this > involves the critical angle of attack, which is over the head of > the readers of this newsgroup, so I won't discuss it.Now, this retarded, holier than thou Trump cult jackass thinks he is smarter than everyone else as well. Most here learned about wing shape and what a wing is and lift and the mechanics of a functional flight as well as stall mechanics way back in high school, decades ago. Really, you gaining even half a clue is over your head, and always will be, because you are going more and more senile by the day, TrumpChump. And I WILL discuss it every time you make such stupid assertions.
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On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:18:21 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 12:04:47 PM UTC-7, corvid wrote: > > On 11/3/22 08:28, Flyguy wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:30:52 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org > > > wrote: > > >> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:15:51 PM UTC+11, corvid > > >> wrote: > > >>> On 11/1/22 15:14, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: > > >>>> corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote in news:tjn2j0$7te$1...@gioia.aioe.org: > > >>>>> On 10/30/22 12:11, Flyspeck wrote: > > >>>>>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 11:38:36 AM UTC-7, corvid wrote: > > >>>>>>> On 10/30/22 09:32, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Just like everything else he spews, this GnatTurd > > >>>>>>>> idiot can't get anything right. I sure hope to hell he > > >>>>>>>> never pilots an airplane. What an idiot. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yikes. At least he won't be chopping up people with that > > >>>>> propeller. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> Has Flyspeck ever said what kind of airplane he owns? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ASH 31Mi > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Watching some YouTubes, sometimes they sound a bit creaky > > >>>>> after the engine is shut off. Yours do that? > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> There have only been 100 made. Scrutinous pilots and buyers > > >>>> must know something. > > >>> I found FOUR accident reports for them. One of them a mere > > >>> wheel-up landing, another had the pilot bail out. > > >>> > > >>> Another was a fatality when the ridge-soaring pilot hit a ridge. > > >>> The maggot probably just thermals over flatlands. > > >> Even that can kill you. One of my wife's graduate students lost her > > >> fiance to a crash in an international soaring competition in Poland > > >> (which is pretty flat). > > > > > > Flying gliders IS a high-risk activity - I will not deny that. You > > > spend A LOT of your flight time in a classic stall-spin regime: high > > > bank angle at near stall speed. And the air around you can be quite > > > turbulent, which can lead to a sudden tail gust that stalls you. At > > > altitude, this is a non-event, but close to the terrain, it is > > > deadly. A good friend of mine, highly experienced with thousands of > > > hours in all types of aircraft, commercial and military, was killed > > > in this manner. > > > > A tail gust doesn't stall the wing. That's like the 'downwind turn' > > myth. Nor does the nebulous "near stall speed". Bank angle doesn't do it > > either. > > > > Have you ever been in a spin, maybe in a C150 during training? > > I imagine the glider is not approved for intentional spins, but it must > > spin r-e-a-l-l-y slowly if it happens. Is there enough rudder to stop > > it? Are you the test pilot? > > A tail gust certainly CAN and sometimes DOES stall a glider. Being flown close to stall speed to being with, a tail gust effectively reduces the airspeed to below the stall speed. Really, this involves the critical angle of attack, which is over the head of the readers of this newsgroup, so I won't discuss it.What's complicated about the critical angle of attack? I learned about it as a kid when I was making and flying model aircraft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_of_attack> The bank angle is critical because the inside (down) wing is flying slower than the outside (up) wing, and stalls first. With the outside wing still generating lift that is no longer balanced by the inside wing, the aircraft rotates "over the top" and enters a spin. The rotation rate is relatively slow, but the glider rapidly accelerates being a low drag aircraft to begin with. You only have seconds to recover from the spin before the Vne (never exceed speed) is reached. Beyond this the wings will separate from the aircraft. The ONLY control surface available to you to stop this is the rudder, which must be applied counter to the direction of rotation. Once the spin is arrested you are STILL falling straight down and must CAREFULLY pull out of the dive being careful not to overstress the wings (or they will fold up like a book). Spins have been successfully recovered from in innumerable situations, but not always:> https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2008-05-09/final-report-sailplane-wing-failure-killed-engen-and-friendYou've got to stall one of the wings to enter a spin, but if you aren't turning, you can stall without entering a spin. You typically circle a thermal to pick up height, and that does mean banking the glider to some extent, but flying excessively tight circles would mean that you'd pick up less height that you might. https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/glider_handbook/media/gfh_ch09.pdf puts the typical diameter of a thermal at about 1000 feet, which doesn't sound all that tight. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
