jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:>> John Doe wrote:>>> Elon Musk taking over Twitter will be just another brand of >>> censorship. BTW... About a week ago, for some strange reason YouTube >>> went ballistic with shadow banning. Apparently they are trying to cut >>> down on replies to original posts (similar to what Amazon did with >>> product reviews), in the most unusual way. >>> >>> As long as there are censors, there will be corruption. Letting people >>> decide for themselves who they communicate/associate with on the >>> Internet is the only way around it. That's what mutual blocking does. >>> >>> Mutual blocking just means preventing the other person from >>> interacting with your content (posts/uploads), and vice versa. >>> >>> The timing could be done programmatically... Perhaps a subsequent >>> block would be for a much greater time (1st time = 1 week, 2nd time = >>> 1 month, etc). >>> >>> For threaded forums resembling USENET, the block could be implemented >>> for all replies. >>> >>> Whether the block means the blocked person (and you) cannot see >>> posts/uploads is another question. Unless the forum is closed to >>> people who are only signed in (maybe that doesn't work), a person can >>> see another person's content when they are signed out. But maybe there >>> is no reason to prevent them from seeing content even when they are >>> signed in, just prevent them from interacting with it. >>> >>> Perhaps mutual blocking causes a greater load on the server. It also >>> means freedom of speech. But I wouldn't hold my breath for the >>> overlords to give up their power of censorship. Not talking about law >>> enforcement.> Why would anyone use twitter?I don't, except to see what others have done on it. Mutual blocking can be used for almost every forum on the Internet, not just Twitter. It would be great for USENET. It would eliminate trolling and stalking, without any need for censors. Grown-ups should be allowed to determine who they associate with.
OT: Mutual blocking = Kinder gentler Internet
Started by ●April 26, 2022
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:> John Doe wrote:>> Elon Musk taking over Twitter will be just another brand of censorship. >> BTW... About a week ago, for some strange reason YouTube went ballistic >> with shadow banning. Apparently they are trying to cut down on replies >> to original posts (similar to what Amazon did with product reviews), in >> the most unusual way. >> >> As long as there are censors, there will be corruption. Letting people >> decide for themselves who they communicate/associate with on the >> Internet is the only way around it. That's what mutual blocking does. >> >> Mutual blocking just means preventing the other person from interacting >> with your content (posts/uploads), and vice versa. >> >> The timing could be done programmatically... Perhaps a subsequent block >> would be for a much greater time (1st time = 1 week, 2nd time = 1 >> month, etc). >> >> For threaded forums resembling USENET, the block could be implemented >> for all replies. >> >> Whether the block means the blocked person (and you) cannot see >> posts/uploads is another question. Unless the forum is closed to people >> who are only signed in (maybe that doesn't work), a person can see >> another person's content when they are signed out. But maybe there is >> no reason to prevent them from seeing content even when they are signed >> in, just prevent them from interacting with it. >> >> Perhaps mutual blocking causes a greater load on the server. It also >> means freedom of speech. But I wouldn't hold my breath for the >> overlords to give up their power of censorship. Not talking about law >> enforcement. > > You need to get a life besides harassing people in YouTube comment > sections, lol"There's someone in my head, but it's not me..."
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
IEEE Bill strikes again - bill....@ieee.org wrote: ====================================> > > Elon Musk taking over Twitter will be just another brand of censorship. > > One has to wonder why John Doe would think that.** Does he really have actual thoughts ?> Musk was talking about freedom of speech, but it probably won't extend to > giving Trump a platform from which he can encourage people to carry out a > second Capitol invasion.** IMO it probably will, cos he had every right to do that.> Freedom of speech doesn't extend to giving known rabble-rousers any kind of pulpit.** So why have demented fuckwits like YOU got one ?> > There are lots of different ways of exercising a corrupt influence. > Censorship isn't so much about corruption as it is about some people thinking > they know what's best for everybody else** Mainly, it's what seems best for THEM. Self interest = single greatest human motivator. > Like John Doe thinking ** See above....> John Doe doesn't want his posts to get comments from people who > recognise that he is a malicious moron. > One can understand why.** Spoils his moronic fun.> So if posts lies and slander about somebody, they can't react to it if you don't let them do so? > Very kind and gentle to the slanderous liars.** The right of reply to such abuse is universal in any * civilised* community. Big shame the internet is like the Wild West.> Happily, John Doe is a complete idiot, so he isn't describing any kind of scheme that could actually be implemented.** Don't count on it.... ...... Phil
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
Slander is dealt with by law enforcement. Nobody's gonna talk about Bozo anyway. Any website that publishes anything has no "right of reply". Any comment sections are heavily censored. There is no such "right of reply" anywhere I know of except on lowly USENET where we must cope with trolls and stalkers. Grown-ups should be allowed to determine who they associate with. Blocked or not, one can certainly enjoy Phil's conversations. It's entertaining as watching The Fifth Element (1997) alien trying to keep it together in his human skin... :D https://youtu.be/sFAPW3W2yMk?t=165 (~20 seconds) -- Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:> X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1807:b0:2f3:65a6:c100 with SMTP id t7-20020a05622a180700b002f365a6c100mr13659349qtc.412.1651122398128; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:06:38 -0700 (PDT) > X-Received: by 2002:a25:7b84:0:b0:648:f212:1baf with SMTP id w126-20020a257b84000000b00648f2121bafmr3047052ybc.578.1651122397910; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:06:37 -0700 (PDT) > Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:06:37 -0700 (PDT) > In-Reply-To: <6cd34c31-7a8a-42de-8d1e-aec3c8711e85n@googlegroups.com> > Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=220.240.30.109; posting-account=B_tJMAoAAAAmar-1r2H3x4CMhbFEou3n > NNTP-Posting-Host: 220.240.30.109 > References: <t487dv$mdj$3@dont-email.me> <6cd34c31-7a8a-42de-8d1e-aec3c8711e85n@googlegroups.com> > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-ID: <bb1f8769-3475-4161-a5cf-b9e4df48ecd3n@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: OT: Mutual blocking = Kinder gentler Internet > From: Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> > Injection-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 05:06:38 +0000 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Lines: 53 > Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org sci.electronics.design:667604 > > IEEE Bill strikes again - bill....@ieee.org wrote: > ==================================== >> >> > Elon Musk taking over Twitter will be just another brand of censorship. >> >> One has to wonder why John Doe would think that. > > ** Does he really have actual thoughts ? > >> Musk was talking about freedom of speech, but it probably won't extend to >> giving Trump a platform from which he can encourage people to carry out a >> second Capitol invasion. > > ** IMO it probably will, cos he had every right to do that. > >> Freedom of speech doesn't extend to giving known rabble-rousers any kind of pulpit. > > ** So why have demented fuckwits like YOU got one ? > >> >> There are lots of different ways of exercising a corrupt influence. >> Censorship isn't so much about corruption as it is about some people thinking >> they know what's best for everybody else > > ** Mainly, it's what seems best for THEM. > > Self interest = single greatest human motivator. > > > > Like John Doe thinking > > ** See above.... > > >> John Doe doesn't want his posts to get comments from people who >> recognise that he is a malicious moron. >> One can understand why. > > ** Spoils his moronic fun. > >> So if posts lies and slander about somebody, they can't react to it if you don't let them do so? >> Very kind and gentle to the slanderous liars. > > ** The right of reply to such abuse is universal in any * civilised* community. > > Big shame the internet is like the Wild West. > > >> Happily, John Doe is a complete idiot, so he isn't describing any kind of scheme that could actually be implemented. > > ** Don't count on it.... > > > ...... Phil >
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from > breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is > CLUELESS...And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 28 Apr 2022 06:47:30 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4dda1$er5$2@dont-email.me>. Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing > except insults to this group.Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio to USENET (**) has been 57.2% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET. ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at least 1153 articles to USENET. Of which 135 have been pure insults and 524 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings. This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters. JRKCCE1OkWc5
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie! Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking... https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE See also... John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb) Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com> Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com> Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked! Spanked Eddie... -- Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:> Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!paganini.bofh.team!news.nntp4.net!news.uzoreto.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!news-out.netnews.com!news.alt.net!fdc2.netnews.com!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.ams4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx01.ams4.POSTED!not-for-mail > From: Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: OT: Mutual blocking = Kinder gentler Internet > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam > References: <t487dv$mdj$3@dont-email.me> <6cd34c31-7a8a-42de-8d1e-aec3c8711e85n@googlegroups.com> <bb1f8769-3475-4161-a5cf-b9e4df48ecd3n@googlegroups.com> <t4dda1$er5$2@dont-email.me> > Lines: 37 > Message-ID: <wOqaK.2034763$8b1.949129@usenetxs.com> > X-Complaints-To: https://www.astraweb.com/aup > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 06:50:04 UTC > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 06:50:04 GMT > X-Received-Bytes: 2078 > Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org sci.electronics.design:667621 free.spam:18060 > > The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id > <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>: > >> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post... > > And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id > <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>: > >> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from >> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is >> CLUELESS... > > And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another > incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 28 Apr 2022 06:47:30 -0000 > (UTC) in message-id <t4dda1$er5$2@dont-email.me>. > > Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id > <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000 > (UTC): > >> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing >> except insults to this group. > > Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio > to USENET (**) has been 57.2% of its posts contributing "nothing except > insults" to USENET. > > ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at > least 1153 articles to USENET. Of which 135 have been pure insults and > 524 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings. > > This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups > readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even > follow the rules it uses to troll other posters. > > JRKCCE1OkWc5 > > >
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from > breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is > CLUELESS...And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on Thu, 28 Apr 2022 06:57:38 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4ddt2$er5$3@dont-email.me>). NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam. Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing > except insults to this group.Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET (**) has been 57.2% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET. ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at least 1155 articles to USENET. Of which 135 have been pure insults and 526 have been John Doe "troll format" postings. This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters. dFKjEftxpPUz
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
John Dope = an utter FUCKWIT : ============================> Slander is dealt with by law enforcement.** No way, never has been you raving nut case.> > Any website that publishes anything has no "right of reply".** 100% bullshit & drivel.> There is no such "right of reply" anywhere I know of** Any civilised newspaper, magazine or broadcast. Applies only to the individual ( or business) slurred or slandered.> Grown-ups should be allowed to determine who they associate with.** That is what WE are currently doing to YOU !!! ASSHOLE !! ========================================== >> > ** Does he really have actual thoughts ? > > > >> Musk was talking about freedom of speech, but it probably won't extend to > >> giving Trump a platform from which he can encourage people to carry out a > >> second Capitol invasion. > > > > ** IMO it probably will, cos he had every right to do that. > > > >> Freedom of speech doesn't extend to giving known rabble-rousers any kind of pulpit. > > > > ** So why have demented fuckwits like YOU got one ? > > > >> > >> There are lots of different ways of exercising a corrupt influence. > >> Censorship isn't so much about corruption as it is about some people thinking > >> they know what's best for everybody else > > > > ** Mainly, it's what seems best for THEM. > > > > Self interest = single greatest human motivator. > > > > > > > Like John Doe thinking > > > > ** See above.... > > > > > >> John Doe doesn't want his posts to get comments from people who > >> recognise that he is a malicious moron. > >> One can understand why. > > > > ** Spoils his moronic fun. > > > >> So if posts lies and slander about somebody, they can't react to it if you don't let them do so? > >> Very kind and gentle to the slanderous liars. > > > > ** The right of reply to such abuse is universal in any * civilised* community. > > > > Big shame the internet is like the Wild West. > > > > > >> Happily, John Doe is a complete idiot, so he isn't describing any kind of scheme that could actually be implemented. > > > > ** Don't count on it.... > > > > > > ...... Phil > >
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:06:41 PM UTC+10, palli...@gmail.com wrote:> IEEE Bill strikes again - bill....@ieee.org wrote: > ==================================== > > > > > Elon Musk taking over Twitter will be just another brand of censorship. > > > > One has to wonder why John Doe would think that. > ** Does he really have actual thoughts ? > > Musk was talking about freedom of speech, but it probably won't extend to > > giving Trump a platform from which he can encourage people to carry out a > > second Capitol invasion. > > ** IMO it probably will, cos he had every right to do that.Not after he'd sworn his oath of office. He didn't pay any attention to it, but he had solemnly promised not to do things like that. What he might imagine his rights to be doesn't really come into it - he labelled himself as an irresponsible idiot, and Musk should have enough sense to have noticed. You clearly don't, but that's a different problem.> > Freedom of speech doesn't extend to giving known rabble-rousers any kind of pulpit. > > ** So why have demented fuckwits like YOU got one?Or demented a fuckwits like you? Some people do get cut off by their information providers, and have to start posting under different pseudonym. We may be demented, but we haven't roused any kind of rabble that did any actual damage. Five people ended up dead because of the Capitol invasion.> > There are lots of different ways of exercising a corrupt influence. > > Censorship isn't so much about corruption as it is about some people thinking > > they know what's best for everybody else. > > ** Mainly, it's what seems best for THEM. > > Self interest = single greatest human motivator. > > > Like John Doe thinking that he knows better than the inhabitants of the Ukraine about the proper reaction to a Russian invasion. > > ** See above....You really do need to stop snipping other people posts in mid-sentence, which is to say it might be a good idea to read the whole sentence before you start typing somethig that is supposed to be a response.> > John Doe doesn't want his posts to get comments from people who recognise that he is a malicious moron. One can understand why. > > ** Spoils his moronic fun.Not really. He seems to get off on re-posting his moronic assertions from other threads.> > So if anybody posts lies and slander about somebody, they can't react to it if you don't let them do so? > > Very kind and gentle to the slanderous liars. > > ** The right of reply to such abuse is universal in any * civilised* community. > > Big shame the internet is like the Wild West. > > > Happily, John Doe is a complete idiot, so he isn't describing any kind of scheme that could actually be implemented. > > ** Don't count on it....I've had a lot of exposure to schemes that weren't though out in enough detail to work at all. John Doe's ideas aren't even spelled out clearly enough to constitute any kind of scheme. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●April 28, 20222022-04-28
On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:47:36 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:> Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1807:b0:2f3:65a6:c100 with SMTP id t7-20020a05622a180700b002f365a6c100mr13659349qtc.412.1651122398128; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:06:38 -0700 (PDT) > > X-Received: by 2002:a25:7b84:0:b0:648:f212:1baf with SMTP id w126-20020a257b84000000b00648f2121bafmr3047052ybc.578.1651122397910; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:06:37 -0700 (PDT) > > Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:06:37 -0700 (PDT) > > In-Reply-To: <6cd34c31-7a8a-42de...@googlegroups.com> > > Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=220.240.30.109; posting-account=B_tJMAoAAAAmar-1r2H3x4CMhbFEou3n > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 220.240.30.109 > > References: <t487dv$mdj$3...@dont-email.me> <6cd34c31-7a8a-42de...@googlegroups.com> > > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Message-ID: <bb1f8769-3475-4161...@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: Re: OT: Mutual blocking = Kinder gentler Internet > > From: Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> > > Injection-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 05:06:38 +0000 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Lines: 53 > > Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org sci.electronics.design:667604 > > > > IEEE Bill strikes again - bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > ==================================== > >> > >> > Elon Musk taking over Twitter will be just another brand of censorship. > >> > >> One has to wonder why John Doe would think that. > > > > ** Does he really have actual thoughts ? > > > >> Musk was talking about freedom of speech, but it probably won't extend to > >> giving Trump a platform from which he can encourage people to carry out a > >> second Capitol invasion. > > > > ** IMO it probably will, cos he had every right to do that. > > > >> Freedom of speech doesn't extend to giving known rabble-rousers any kind of pulpit. > > > > ** So why have demented fuckwits like YOU got one ? > > > >> > >> There are lots of different ways of exercising a corrupt influence. > >> Censorship isn't so much about corruption as it is about some people thinking > >> they know what's best for everybody else > > > > ** Mainly, it's what seems best for THEM. > > > > Self interest = single greatest human motivator. > > > > > > > Like John Doe thinking > > > > ** See above.... > > > > > >> John Doe doesn't want his posts to get comments from people who > >> recognise that he is a malicious moron. > >> One can understand why. > > > > ** Spoils his moronic fun. > > > >> So if posts lies and slander about somebody, they can't react to it if you don't let them do so? > >> Very kind and gentle to the slanderous liars. > > > > ** The right of reply to such abuse is universal in any * civilised* community. > > > > Big shame the internet is like the Wild West. > > > > > >> Happily, John Doe is a complete idiot, so he isn't describing any kind of scheme that could actually be implemented. > > > > ** Don't count on it.... > > Slander is dealt with by law enforcement.It isn't. You have to sue somebody who slanders you for the damage to your reputation. Law enforcement doesn't come into it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_libel used to exist, but it's been taken off the statute books.> Any website that publishes anything has no "right of reply". Any comment sections are heavily censored. There is no such "right of reply" anywhere I know of except on lowly USENET where we must cope with trolls and stalkers.Since John Doe is a troll and a stalker, his coping mechanism should include self-censorship. Sadly he advertises his stupidity and malice more or less nonstop, so his coping mechanism is just as defective as the rest of his intellectual furniture.> Grown-ups should be allowed to determine who they associate with.But you aren't a grown-up.> Blocked or not, one can certainly enjoy Phil's conversations. It's entertaining <snipped example>Phil isn't good at conversation, any more than you are. People who converse react to what the other person is saying, rather than using a phrase or two as springboard for some kind of diatribe or other. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
