On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 10:47:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 8:22:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote: > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 11:42:51 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:15:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 6:34:36 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 9:42:02 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:37:13 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:14:50 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:45:09 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:31:26 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 5:26:28 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:38:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:<snip>> > > Political jackasses have a particularly hard time separating cause and effect. Their government is in shambles yet they assume they know how to run the country. > > > > Which government did you have in mind? Trump's administration was a shambles, Obama's rather less so. Obama was stuck with cleaning up after the Dubbya shambles, but did an adequate job. > > Hey Sloman, only in your drug-addled mind. Here are a list of Trump's accomplishments:<snip> It did seem to leave out letting Covid-19 get so well established in the US that it has killed 574,840 US citizens so far - 1,729 per million people. He did mention the>Life-Saving Response to the China Virus >Restricted travel to the United States from infected regions of the world. >Suspended all travel from China, saving thousands of lives. > Required all American citizens returning home from designated outbreak countries to return through designated airports with enhanced screening measures, and to undergo a self-quarantine. > Announced further travel restrictions on Iran, the Schengen Area of Europe, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Brazil.Which probably did save a few lives at the start of the epidemic, but because Trump was much too slow to designate new outbreak countries, travelers from Europe were able to start a full-blown epidemic in New York and nothing that anybody did after that was able to stop the disease spreading throughout the United States where it has now cost hundreds of thousands of lives. All the rest is lipstick on a pig. Flyguy is dismally stupid. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
OT Tax Rant
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On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 10:48:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:> On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 10:47:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 8:22:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 11:42:51 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:15:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 6:34:36 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 9:42:02 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:37:13 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:14:50 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:45:09 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:31:26 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 5:26:28 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:38:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > <snip> > > > > Political jackasses have a particularly hard time separating cause and effect. Their government is in shambles yet they assume they know how to run the country. > > > > > > Which government did you have in mind? Trump's administration was a shambles, Obama's rather less so. Obama was stuck with cleaning up after the Dubbya shambles, but did an adequate job. > > > > Hey Sloman, only in your drug-addled mind. Here are a list of Trump's accomplishments: > > <snip> > > It did seem to leave out letting Covid-19 get so well established in the US that it has killed 574,840 US citizens so far - 1,729 per million people. > > He did mention the > >Life-Saving Response to the China Virus > >Restricted travel to the United States from infected regions of the world. > >Suspended all travel from China, saving thousands of lives. > > Required all American citizens returning home from designated outbreak countries to return through designated airports with enhanced screening measures, and to undergo a self-quarantine. > > Announced further travel restrictions on Iran, the Schengen Area of Europe, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Brazil. > Which probably did save a few lives at the start of the epidemic, but because Trump was much too slow to designate new outbreak countries, travelers from Europe were able to start a full-blown epidemic in New York and nothing that anybody did after that was able to stop the disease spreading throughout the United States where it has now cost hundreds of thousands of lives. > > All the rest is lipstick on a pig. > > Flyguy is dismally stupid. > > -- > SL0WMAN, SydneyHey SL0WMAN, you are definitely a glass half-empty kind of libtard. Trump's accomplishments are NEVER enough for an idiot such as yourself, but Lyin' Biden can just wake up, mumble a few incoherent words, and he is BRILLIANT. That list CLEARLY shows the vast range of Trump's accomplishments in all phases of life. In the mean time, Lyin' Biden has managed to FUCK UP many of these accomplishments with the most notable being the crushing crisis at the Border which includes Biden's people sexually assaulting immigrant children.
Reply by ●April 10, 20212021-04-10
On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 10:31:20 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:> On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 10:48:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote: > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 10:47:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 8:22:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 11:42:51 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:15:28 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 6:34:36 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 9:42:02 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:37:13 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:14:50 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:45:09 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:31:26 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 5:26:28 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:38:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > Political jackasses have a particularly hard time separating cause and effect. Their government is in shambles yet they assume they know how to run the country. > > > > > > > > Which government did you have in mind? Trump's administration was a shambles, Obama's rather less so. Obama was stuck with cleaning up after the Dubbya shambles, but did an adequate job. > > > > > > Hey Sloman, only in your drug-addled mind. Here are a list of Trump's accomplishments: > > > > <snip> > > > > It did seem to leave out letting Covid-19 get so well established in the US that it has killed 574,840 US citizens so far - 1,729 per million people. > > > > He did mention the > > >Life-Saving Response to the China Virus > > >Restricted travel to the United States from infected regions of the world. > > >Suspended all travel from China, saving thousands of lives. > > > Required all American citizens returning home from designated outbreak countries to return through designated airports with enhanced screening measures, and to undergo a self-quarantine. > > > Announced further travel restrictions on Iran, the Schengen Area of Europe, the United Kingdom, Ireland, and Brazil. > > Which probably did save a few lives at the start of the epidemic, but because Trump was much too slow to designate new outbreak countries, travelers from Europe were able to start a full-blown epidemic in New York and nothing that anybody did after that was able to stop the disease spreading throughout the United States where it has now cost hundreds of thousands of lives. > > > > All the rest is lipstick on a pig. > > > > Flyguy is dismally stupid. > > > > -- > > SL0WMAN, Sydney > > Hey SL0WMAN, you are definitely a glass half-empty kind of libtard. Trump's accomplishments are NEVER enough for an idiot such as yourself, but Lyin' Biden can just wake up, mumble a few incoherent words, and he is BRILLIANT. That list CLEARLY shows the vast range of Trump's accomplishments in all phases of life. In the mean time, Lyin' Biden has managed to FUCK UP many of these accomplishments with the most notable being the crushing crisis at the Border which includes Biden's people sexually assaulting immigrant children.Let's just highlight ONE area of Trump's accomplishments: Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery. Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020. Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration. Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent. This is a CLEAR WIN for all Americans, not just conservatives, but the libtard media pretty much ignored unemployment until it started increasing due to the Chinese virus.
Reply by ●April 10, 20212021-04-10
Flyguy wrote:> Hey SL0WMAN, only in your drug-addled mind. Here are a list of Trump's > accomplishments: > > Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most > prosperous economy.[... 700+ lines of mindless drivel ...] If I ever saw anything drug-addled on Usenet it's that list. Questions of truth aside, where do you find the TIME to assemble all that crap? It boggles the mind. -- robert
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On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 2:30:48 PM UTC-4, Robert Latest wrote:> Flyguy wrote: > > Hey SL0WMAN, only in your drug-addled mind. Here are a list of Trump's > > accomplishments: > > > > Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most > > prosperous economy. > [... 700+ lines of mindless drivel ...] > > If I ever saw anything drug-addled on Usenet it's that list. Questions of truth > aside, where do you find the TIME to assemble all that crap? It boggles the > mind. > > -- > robertHe didn't assemble anything. He just copied it verbatim. I doubt he even read most of it. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/ -- Rick C. +- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging +- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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FlyTurd <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:296c587b-457a-49c4-bbdc- d569e3992aadn@googlegroups.com:> Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.You been listening to Trump spout his bullshit statistics too long, turd boy. Like the 6000 jobs he "created" in Scotland. That turned into only 150 and many of those he sent over from NYC. Empty promises. By using his lies there, let's see... 150 / 6000 = 0.025 So... 1.2M X 0.025 = 30000. And that is on a good day... maybe... over the entire 4 years.
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:>On 4/7/2021 11:17 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:16:25 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> On 4/6/2021 8:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 18:49:58 -0700 (PDT), George Herold >>>> <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:38:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolutionize-corporate-taxation >>>>>> >>>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >>>>> IDK, 21% seems OK. I would like to get rid of the 'loop holes' or whatever that let Amazon and others pay ~zero federal tax. >>>> >>>> They do that by offshoring assets. Non-American companies do that >>>> automatically. >>>> >>>> Tax US companies enough, and they will relocate to Aruba, or go out of >>>> business. >>>> >>>> So don't tax them at all, and keep the jobs here. >>> >>> US Tax Law favored entities relocating to Puerto Rico. Many pharmaceutical >>> companies set up shop, there -- instead of their locations in New Jersey, >>> Michigan, etc. >>> >>> Their once strong position, there, has been eroded. Not by lower taxes >>> but by lower production costs -- in places like India, China, etc. >>> >>> Do you think we make cars in MX because the *taxes* are lower? >> >> Certainly. No FICA or unemployment taxes. Probably low property taxes >> and fees. And no unions. They can build engines cheap in Mexico, pay >> high prices for parts on the books, and transfer profits from high tax >> regions to low tax ones. Like Google does with IP and Ireland. >> >> A lot of VWs are built in Mexico for the same reasons. >> >> >>> Do you think we have boards built in China because the taxes >>> are lower? >> >> Because all costs are lower. >> >> >>> Or, the shipping costs are gummit subsidized? Is >>> it because US vendors are inept and can't make a decent board? >> >> I can buy an electronic gadget from China, with shipping, for less >> than I can buy the parts here. >> >>> >>> Solution: come up with a common rate of pay for all workers, right? >>> And, as we can't force other countries to bring their pay *up*, lets >>> just deflate US wages! >> >> Better yet, tax imports the same as domestic production. >> >> >> > >I wonder what Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, would think about >that idea.That's what a VAT does, and it's used by most countries world-wide. It requires coordination and cooperation between local (eg. state and lower) taxation and federal taxation so it's unlikely to work in the US as long as there is a choice (such as just printing money). -- Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 11:33:31 -0700, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:>On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 08:38:28 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com >wrote: > >> >>https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolutionize-corporate-taxation >> >>My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. > >https://www.nam.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/TaxStudyOnePager.pdf > >If 28% corporate tax rate is worse than 21, what is the best rate? I >suggest zero.�the art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing.� -- Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 19:54:02 -0400, Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:>On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >>On 4/7/2021 11:17 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:16:25 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/6/2021 8:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 18:49:58 -0700 (PDT), George Herold >>>>> <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:38:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>> https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolutionize-corporate-taxation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >>>>>> IDK, 21% seems OK. I would like to get rid of the 'loop holes' or whatever that let Amazon and others pay ~zero federal tax. >>>>> >>>>> They do that by offshoring assets. Non-American companies do that >>>>> automatically. >>>>> >>>>> Tax US companies enough, and they will relocate to Aruba, or go out of >>>>> business. >>>>> >>>>> So don't tax them at all, and keep the jobs here. >>>> >>>> US Tax Law favored entities relocating to Puerto Rico. Many pharmaceutical >>>> companies set up shop, there -- instead of their locations in New Jersey, >>>> Michigan, etc. >>>> >>>> Their once strong position, there, has been eroded. Not by lower taxes >>>> but by lower production costs -- in places like India, China, etc. >>>> >>>> Do you think we make cars in MX because the *taxes* are lower? >>> >>> Certainly. No FICA or unemployment taxes. Probably low property taxes >>> and fees. And no unions. They can build engines cheap in Mexico, pay >>> high prices for parts on the books, and transfer profits from high tax >>> regions to low tax ones. Like Google does with IP and Ireland. >>> >>> A lot of VWs are built in Mexico for the same reasons. >>> >>> >>>> Do you think we have boards built in China because the taxes >>>> are lower? >>> >>> Because all costs are lower. >>> >>> >>>> Or, the shipping costs are gummit subsidized? Is >>>> it because US vendors are inept and can't make a decent board? >>> >>> I can buy an electronic gadget from China, with shipping, for less >>> than I can buy the parts here. >>> >>>> >>>> Solution: come up with a common rate of pay for all workers, right? >>>> And, as we can't force other countries to bring their pay *up*, lets >>>> just deflate US wages! >>> >>> Better yet, tax imports the same as domestic production. >>> >>> >>> >> >>I wonder what Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, would think about >>that idea. > >That's what a VAT does, and it's used by most countries world-wide. It >requires coordination and cooperation between local (eg. state and >lower) taxation and federal taxation so it's unlikely to work in the >US as long as there is a choice (such as just printing money).I think the basic idea of VAT is to hide the taxes from people who buy things. Value add? We can't allow that sort of thing.
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 19:55:39 -0400, Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:>On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 11:33:31 -0700, John Larkin ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote: > >>On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 08:38:28 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com >>wrote: >> >>> >>>https://theweek.com/articles/975735/janet-yellens-proposal-revolutionize-corporate-taxation >>> >>>My counter-offer to Yellin is zero corporate tax rates. >> >>https://www.nam.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/TaxStudyOnePager.pdf >> >>If 28% corporate tax rate is worse than 21, what is the best rate? I >>suggest zero. > >�the art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain >the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible >amount of hissing.�The debate becomes "What process creates the maximum tax revenue?" and not "What is best for the citizens?" Most of the world has a governing class whose first interests are their own.
