Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levels
Texas power prices briefly soar to $9,000/MWh as heat wave bakes state
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Reply by ●August 15, 20192019-08-15
On 2019/08/15 11:35 a.m., bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:> Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. > > And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levels >Folks will buy air conditioners. You do realize that the more people that live somewhere where it gets hot and they like air conditioners that the power draw will only go up. http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/texas-population/ 4 million more people in 2018 than 2010 - some of them use electricity... John
Reply by ●August 15, 20192019-08-15
John Robertson wrote...> > Folks will buy air conditioners. ...Yes, but if they're smart, they'll cool their house down in the early AM, when (1) the AC is efficient due to cooler outside air, and (2) the electricity is cheaper. Most houses will retain their coolness throughout the day, rising no more than 10-deg, so push it down to 68 or 70 in advance. If Texas were to give individual users demand pricing, they'd soon start adjusting their demand timing. End of problem. -- Thanks, - Win
Reply by ●August 15, 20192019-08-15
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 4:49:41 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:> On 2019/08/15 11:35 a.m., bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote: > > Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. > > > > And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. > > > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levels > > > > Folks will buy air conditioners. You do realize that the more people > that live somewhere where it gets hot and they like air conditioners > that the power draw will only go up. > > http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/texas-population/ > > 4 million more people in 2018 than 2010 - some of them use electricity... > > JohnUmmm-the utilities install the service feeds for these places, so that presumably they know exactly what loading to expect.
Reply by ●August 16, 20192019-08-16
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:> Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. > > And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levels >Damn! Reached the free limit on articles.
Reply by ●August 16, 20192019-08-16
On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 12:09:39 AM UTC-4, Robert Baer wrote:> bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote: > > Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. > > > > And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. > > > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levels > > > Damn! Reached the free limit on articles.Clear your cookies and it will reset. I do that all the time on the PC. Can't figure out how to do it in Google News on my phone though. They feed a lot of Wash Post and NY Times articles and you only get 3 a month. -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●August 16, 20192019-08-16
On 2019/08/15 3:03 p.m., bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:> On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 4:49:41 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote: >> On 2019/08/15 11:35 a.m., bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote: >>> Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. >>> >>> And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. >>> >>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levels >>> >> >> Folks will buy air conditioners. You do realize that the more people >> that live somewhere where it gets hot and they like air conditioners >> that the power draw will only go up. >> >> http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/texas-population/ >> >> 4 million more people in 2018 than 2010 - some of them use electricity... >> >> John > > Ummm-the utilities install the service feeds for these places, so that presumably they know exactly what loading to expect. >My point was that more people = higher energy consumption, so the 'record' energy use could have been predicted and as Winfield pointed out could have been mitigated somewhat by intelligent planning. I suspect the electrical suppliers have not been building power plants to match the increased usage. I haven't researched this, it is simply an assumption on my part. I've seen it so many times before... John :-#)#
Reply by ●August 16, 20192019-08-16
On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:> Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. > > And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levelsIsn't the sun shining when it's that hot? So much for the solar miracle.....
Reply by ●August 16, 20192019-08-16
On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 8:58:20 PM UTC+10, Whoey Louie wrote:> On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote: > > Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. > > > > And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. > > > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levels > > Isn't the sun shining when it's that hot? So much for the solar miracle.....Trader4 hasn't noticed that while solar cells are now cheap Texan power generation firms are even cheaper, and haven't bought any (China is the big supplier), let alone the power storage gear you need when you start getting lots of power from erratic renewable sources. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●August 16, 20192019-08-16
On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 3:02:13 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:> On 2019/08/15 3:03 p.m., bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 4:49:41 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote: > >> On 2019/08/15 11:35 a.m., bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote: > >>> Unbelievable 75GW peak demand due to heat wave, almost nothing in reserve. > >>> > >>> And this is just the warm-up, it's going to get much worse. > >>> > >>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-12/searing-texas-heat-pushes-power-prices-to-near-record-levels > >>> > >> > >> Folks will buy air conditioners. You do realize that the more people > >> that live somewhere where it gets hot and they like air conditioners > >> that the power draw will only go up. > >> > >> http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/texas-population/ > >> > >> 4 million more people in 2018 than 2010 - some of them use electricity... > >> > >> John > > > > Ummm-the utilities install the service feeds for these places, so that presumably they know exactly what loading to expect. > > > > My point was that more people = higher energy consumption, so the > 'record' energy use could have been predicted and as Winfield pointed > out could have been mitigated somewhat by intelligent planning. > > I suspect the electrical suppliers have not been building power plants > to match the increased usage. I haven't researched this, it is simply an > assumption on my part. I've seen it so many times before... > > John :-#)#The idea that regulators didn't know the load demands is ridiculous. What happened was their wind power, which normally runs at 20GW, a significant fraction of their total capacity, dropped to nearly zero during the recent weather.
