On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:09:53 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in <s35egidepcs0ga7rfb1p8rjhu2caes1h3q@4ax.com>:>On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 10:32:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Sep 2023 22:38:41 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd >><whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in >><08d599b3-ab2b-4526-958a-e65cc96a540bn@googlegroups.com>: >> >>>On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:05:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje= >>> wrote: >>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Sep 2023 08:04:49 -0700) it happened John Larkin= >>> >>>> <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in >>>> <crgbgilsv8kptrpig...@4ax.com>: >>>> >On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 04:29:00 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen >>>> ><lang...@fonz.dk> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>lørdag den 16. september 2023 kl. 13.19.58 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin= >>>: >>>> >>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 11:51:56 +0100, Martin Brown >>>> >>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >On 15/09/2023 16:39, Don Y wrote: >>>> >>> >> On 9/15/2023 3:21 AM, Martin Brown wrote: >>>> >>> >>> We must surely have a lot more rain than in the US and yet our ph= >>>one >>>> >>> >>> lines generally do hold up for ADSL unless it gets very very wet = >>>(as >>>> >>> >>> in flooding). Being on the wrong side of the beck doesn't help.= >>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Are your lines fed from above (e.g., flying off telephone poles)?= >>> >>>> >>> >> Or, do they travel below grade, surfacing just before entering the= >>> >>>> >>> >> subscriber's premises? >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >Modern build is usually the latter but where I am the cables travel= >>> >>>> >>> >underground from the exchange to the village and then up onto poles= >>> >>>> >>> >inside the village. We are a bit unusual in that our lines are archa= >>>ic >>>> >>> >"Exchange Only" lines with no cabinet between us and the exchange.= >>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >Electricity also comes in overhead on the same set of poles which ma= >>>kes >>>> >>> >it difficult for the telco - they have to bring in a cherry picker t= >>>o >>>> >>> >work on their signal level cables at height because of the live wire= >>>s! >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Water frequently infiltrates our buried cables (including the 100+= >>> pair >>>> >>> >> that runs the length of the street, below grade). So, a (rare!) ra= >>>in >>>> >>> >> can leave you with a noisey line that resolves itself BEFORE the l= >>>ineman >>>> >>> >> can get around to actually checking the line, in person. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >That is pretty much the situation here except that it is a lot wette= >>>r >>>> >>> >and the groundwater is mildly alkaline and so corrosive. In addition= >>> >>>> >>> >tree branches can strip the insulation off the overhead cable runs w= >>>hich >>>> >>> >makes it very noisy and can break conductors. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >> Connections to the premises wiring are done above ground in a >>>> >>> >> "telephone network interface" box: the utility's feed is >>>> >>> >> terminated in a pair (typically) of RJ11 jacks. The premises >>>> >>> >> wiring presents as one or more RJ11 plugs. So, a subscriber can >>>> >>> >> "unplug" their wiring from the network to allow the utility >>>> >>> >> to check THEIR wiring without the subscriber's impacting the test.= >>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >That is how modern installs are done with a so called master socket = >>>so >>>> >>> >you can isolate the house wiring and plug into the test socket. You = >>>are >>>> >>> >supposed to do this before reporting a fault. My master POTS socket = >>>is >>>> >>> >"conveniently" located at the far end of the loft where the old copp= >>>er >>>> >>> >cable enters the house. The new fibre install comes from a different= >>> >>>> >>> >pole and has a splice box at ground level with a fibre up to my offi= >>>ce. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >Prehistoric ones were little more than a 4 way terminal block with a= >>> >>>> >>> >Bakelite soap bar shaped cover over the top. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> They connector housings do fail from time to time but they seem t= >>>o >>>> >>> >>> last 5 or 10 years before they fail badly again. I'm not sure how= >>> they >>>> >>> >>> protect wet wires from corrosion though. There are places near me= >>> with >>>> >>> >>> hybrid copper meets aluminium phone wiring which partially rectif= >>>ies >>>> >>> >>> ADSL. So bad that some don't even get 256kbps. Peer to peer micro= >>>wave >>>> >>> >>> has been claiming these dead zones for some time - farmers need i= >>>t. >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Our problem is with the hundreds of feet of 100(?) pair cable >>>> >>> >> that feeds the neighborhood from the main junction box at the entr= >>>ance to >>>> >>> >> the subdivision. Lots of places for a partial short or line imbala= >>>nce >>>> >>> >> to present. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >It is almost invariably the wet corroded joints that cause trouble o= >>>r >>>> >>> >rodents chewing off the insulation. Ours are incredibly fragile now = >>>and >>>> >>> >any disturbance from working on a fault tends to break something els= >>>e. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >It got so bad at one point that they had to ship in additional POTS= >>> >>>> >>> >engineers from outside the county to get on top of pending repairs.= >>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >I haven't been able to find a picture of our underground configurati= >>>on >>>> >>> >(it is quite rare now) but this one of a normal passive BT cabinet i= >>>sn't >>>> >>> >too dissimilar if you image no supporting structure and the whole lo= >>>t of >>>> >>> >multicoloured knitting stuffed randomly into a double width manhole.= >>> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >https://www.reddit.com/r/cablegore/comments/333ek9/inside_a_bt_telep= >>>hone_cabinet/ >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> There may be a slight difference in texture which is what seems t= >>>o >>>> >>> >>> guide their choice of exactly what to nibble. We solved our probl= >>>ems >>>> >>> >>> on radio telescope cable runs by flooding the ducts with dry nitr= >>>ogen. >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Various "burrowing creatures" are more of a problem with the >>>> >>> >> AC mains (which are also below grade). Part of the service >>>> >>> >> procedure for each of the ground-mounted transformers is to >>>> >>> >> fill the exposed earth *inside* the enclosure with mortar >>>> >>> >> and wet it to form a bit of a crust to discourage the critters >>>> >>> >> from gaining entry to the high voltage wiring (fried critters!).= >>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Packrats tend to enjoy feasting on the wire in automobiles, >>>> >>> >> accessing that from the underside. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >Apparently pine martens are keen on BMW brake hose and wiring insula= >>>tion >>>> >>> >(and they are now moving into my area of the UK). >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-life/261913-pine-martens-brake-pip= >>>es.html >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> I collect pictures of disgusting wiring. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rdbz4ayuw0w60ch1f4dot/h?rlkey=k14c22= >>>nkj1leclay7itlpk28z&dl=0 >>>> >> >>>> >>looks like artwork made by craftsmen compared to the stuff you see from= >>> India >>>> > >>>> >San Francico has stunning views that are usually ruined by hideous >>>> >wiring. It's being undergrounded, which should be mostly done in a >>>> >couple of hundred years. >>>> SF likely will not exist in a couple of years... >>>> I was just reading that California is going to sue five big oil and gas companies for heating up earth: >>>> ExxonMobil,BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Shell. >>>> >>>> They should be grateful to those companies ... >>> >>>Gratitude for products, but not for byproducts. The purpose of suing is to get a court to >>>consider the issue of those byproducts having a large-scale pollution cost, that SHOULD >>>be accounted for in economic decisions, and paid for by the customers of >>>'big oil and gas companies'. If those bit companies add the cost of >>>pollution to their products' costs, the suits will have satisfied California, >>>and reward the oil-and-gas folk a bit of repayment for their collection of the new tax... >>> >>>The money losers, will be Jan Panteltje and associates. We're all his associates on >>>this forum, of course. >> >>Well, from the POV from reality, >>let's just all those companies as from now stop supplying California >>with oil, gas and ALL byproducts from oil, such as plastic, energy, >>everything. >>The lynching of those political insane CO2 clowns would be a hit on TV if >>they still HAD the electricity to watch it, or even the components to make those. >>No cars, no equipment to work the land, no food, no heating, no aircos >>NOTHING. >> >>There are too many lawyers in the US anyways, pestering people, they even have a go at presidents, >>like the great leader Trump who stopped the war in Afghanistan. >>The real war criminals like Bush for example still run free. >>Telling Saddam to attack Saudi Arabia and then making war on Saddam and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia all that for profit. >>No word of the environmental impact of the wars US makes!!!! >>And now the fuck you 'merricans think you can pollute EUROPE WITH YOUR GODDAMED DEPLETED AMMO? >> >>Time for that silly empire of ever lower IQ war mongers to perish. >>amen >> >>As to speed and cables, all power lines apart from HV lines are underground here. > >It's hilly and rocky here. Digging is expensive. We use a microwave >link for our internet at work because it would have cost about $100K >to dig up the street and run fiber. > >All streets should have a utility tunnel. Too late here. > >>And I have a Huawei 4G USB stick here plugged into a Raspberry Pi 4 for internet and am posting this with the Usenet reader I >>wrote myself. >>That USB stick works just as well and id automatically detected in my laptop running Ubuntu when I am elsewhere. >>Teefee comes via satellite, all free to air, and EVERYTHING will work if there is no power as I have solar cells >>and a 250 Ah battery backup with a 2000 W converter to 230 V 50 Hz. >> >>What a joke you 'merricans have become. > >Life is great here, if you turn off your phone and avoid reading the >gloomy part of the news, which is about 90%. > >People are not trekking a couple thousand miles to get into Russia or >Cuba or Somalia.People come in the thousands every day to try to get into Europe. Yesterday 5000 arrived in little boats: https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2023/0913/Italy-struggles-with-record-migration-as-5-000-arrive-in-one-day Is it all part of climate change caused migration, will Africa become inhabitable, warlords, food shortages...?
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Reply by ●September 17, 20232023-09-17
Reply by ●September 17, 20232023-09-17
On 12/09/2023 15:18, John Larkin wrote:> I signed up with Comcast for, I think, 30 megabit cable internet. I > had a service problem a while back so they upgraded "for free" to 50. > I just ran a speed test and it's 920+38 Mbits. This is with a CAT5 > cable right from their modem. > > At work, we have a MonkeyBrains dish. We pay for 50+50 and get > 500+500. > > This seems to be a trend, much faster internet than we signed up for, > same price. The backbone fibers must be moving petabits. > > >Maybe you signed up for megabytes and you're measuring megabits ? 8 data 1 start 1 stop ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Reply by ●September 17, 20232023-09-17
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 23:14:00 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> wrote:>On 12/09/2023 15:18, John Larkin wrote: >> I signed up with Comcast for, I think, 30 megabit cable internet. I >> had a service problem a while back so they upgraded "for free" to 50. >> I just ran a speed test and it's 920+38 Mbits. This is with a CAT5 >> cable right from their modem. >> >> At work, we have a MonkeyBrains dish. We pay for 50+50 and get >> 500+500. >> >> This seems to be a trend, much faster internet than we signed up for, >> same price. The backbone fibers must be moving petabits. >> >> >> >Maybe you signed up for megabytes and you're measuring megabits ? 8 data >1 start 1 stop ?All megabits. And it's not an RS-232 interface. I don't know how cable modems work. Some complex constellation modulation I suppose. Maybe some 8b10b in there somewhere.
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Reply by ●September 18, 20232023-09-18
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in <13fb7301-2990-4318-9d6f-c4ff734b4791n@googlegroups.com>:>On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 3:32:41 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wr= >ote: >> On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Sep 2023 22:38:41 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3r= >d >> <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in >> <08d599b3-ab2b-4526...@googlegroups.com>: >> >> >On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:05:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Pantel= >tje= >> > wrote: > >> >> SF likely will not exist in a couple of years... >> >> I was just reading that California is going to sue five big oil and ga= >s companies for heating up earth: >> >> ExxonMobil,BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Shell. >> >> >> >> They should be grateful to those companies ... >> > >> >Gratitude for products, but not for byproducts. The purpose of suing is = >to get a court to >> >consider the issue of those byproducts having a large-scale pollution co= >st, that SHOULD >> >be accounted for in economic decisions, and paid for by the customers of= > >> >'big oil and gas companies'. If those bit companies add the cost of >> >pollution to their products' costs, the suits will have satisfied Califo= >rnia, >> >and reward the oil-and-gas folk a bit of repayment for their collection = >of the new tax... >> > >> >The money losers, will be Jan Panteltje and associates. We're all his as= >sociates on >> >this forum, of course. > >> Well, from the POV from reality, > >Oh, that's bad wording; reality is large, offers many points of view, not j= >ust one. >A lawsuit means there's at least two to be considered here. > >> let's just all those companies as from now stop supplying California >> with oil, gas and ALL byproducts from oil, such as plastic, energy, >> everything. > >... which will not terminate the suit, since damage is present and unremedi= >ed, not just >potential for the future > >> The lynching of those political insane CO2 clowns would be... > >a hate crime?No self protection You know, making money -using lawsuits and lawyers- does not produce anything no wonder US debt keeps increasing! Simple math!!
Reply by ●September 18, 20232023-09-18
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Sep 2023 10:28:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in <lmcegi570nu4a1v3upahkos9uuor6qioam@4ax.com>:>>>>>San Francico has stunning views that are usually ruined by hideous >>>>>wiring. It's being undergrounded, which should be mostly done in a >>>>>couple of hundred years. >>>> >>>> >>>>SF likely will not exist in a couple of years... >>>>I was just reading that California is going to sue five big oil and gas companies for heating up earth: >>>> ExxonMobil,BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Shell. >>>> >>>>They should be grateful to those companies that made California liveable and the industry and jobs they created, >>>>The complete insane climate idiots that infected politics using CO2 witch hunts means the end of civilization. >>> >>>Electing greenie morons will change, as people sit hungry in the cold >>>and dark in their dead Teslas. >>> >>>SF will exist for a long time. Lots of people will always want to live >>>here. >> >>Sure Su[p]perman will come to the rescue when the Andreas fault is triggered? > >Sure, we'll have another big one eventually. Climate Change doesn't >cause earthquakes, although some idiots have claimed it does.All thing in nature are interacting. Continental shelfs move and cause earthquakes, create mountains that then change weather etc.. Vulcanos are created by the movement that then change the atmosphere,, land turns to sea and the other way around. Weather lets us drill for oil and change the land and coast lines, actions that may well trigger earthquakes.. We -are- part of it all. As do our nuke test / wars.,..>Since the 1989 quake, building codes here have impoved, both for new >construction and for older structures. Wood frame houses are required >to be reinforced against ground-floor-garage "soft-story" failure and >bricks must be reinforced. Our house was built in 1992, and it has a >steel frame concreted into bedrock, with plywood shear walls. Our real >concern would be a giant fire. > >We spent a goodly part of a megbuck to harden our company building. > >Current geology speculation suggests the big dangers are earthquake in >southern California and a massive tsunami in Washington and Oregon. > >A big quake in mid/eastern USA, like the one in 1811, would be >ghastly. Too many unreinforced brick and stone structures. > >England has lots of stone structures but doesn't get serious quakes, >but many places in europe do both.Here massive flooding in the future due to rising sea levels is expected. So mass migration will follow... Then warm periods, ice ages.. comets .. changes in the sun.. it is all dynamic we participate and are part of it, in the end just a transient (like the dinos) in the universe full of stars and other mysterious (to us) things.
Reply by ●September 18, 20232023-09-18
On 17/09/2023 16:15, John Larkin wrote:> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:32:28 +0100, Martin Brown > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 16/09/2023 12:19, John Larkin wrote: >> >>> I collect pictures of disgusting wiring. >>> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rdbz4ayuw0w60ch1f4dot/h?rlkey=k14c22nkj1leclay7itlpk28z&dl=0 >> >> It seems to me a miracle that telecoms stuff actually works! > > Our utilities, including cable/internet, are actually quite reliable. > I can't explain that. > > Our cable modem hangs up once in a while, but that's just the usual > software bugs. A hard power cycle fixes that.When I had a cable modem in Belgium it was so reliable that I never had to look at it until it was time to move out. The PSU brick for it ran so hot that the label on the outside of it was slightly scorched! Scary!!! My fibre modem hasn't been rebooted since installation apart from when it was unplugged for rearranging my office furniture. It is very stable. ADSL links used to die at least every couple of months with router firmware either going unresponsive or claiming perfect signal synch but no data transfer so incrementing hard unrecoverable error seconds in realtime. I always got a few of those per day in normal operation. -- Martin Brown
Reply by ●September 18, 20232023-09-18
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:36:03 +0100, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:>On 17/09/2023 16:15, John Larkin wrote: >> On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:32:28 +0100, Martin Brown >> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 16/09/2023 12:19, John Larkin wrote: >>> >>>> I collect pictures of disgusting wiring. >>>> >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rdbz4ayuw0w60ch1f4dot/h?rlkey=k14c22nkj1leclay7itlpk28z&dl=0 >>> >>> It seems to me a miracle that telecoms stuff actually works! >> >> Our utilities, including cable/internet, are actually quite reliable. >> I can't explain that. >> >> Our cable modem hangs up once in a while, but that's just the usual >> software bugs. A hard power cycle fixes that. > >When I had a cable modem in Belgium it was so reliable that I never had >to look at it until it was time to move out. The PSU brick for it ran so >hot that the label on the outside of it was slightly scorched! Scary!!! > >My fibre modem hasn't been rebooted since installation apart from when >it was unplugged for rearranging my office furniture. It is very stable. > >ADSL links used to die at least every couple of months with router >firmware either going unresponsive or claiming perfect signal synch but >no data transfer so incrementing hard unrecoverable error seconds in >realtime. I always got a few of those per day in normal operation.Our Comcast box downloads its software from the mother ship, every time it powers up. That takes about 15 minutes. I asssme they are in the usual constant-upgrade bug manufacturing mode, as downloaded software usually is. If it's easy to fix, it's easy to break.
Reply by ●September 18, 20232023-09-18
On 18/09/2023 15:33, John Larkin wrote:> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:36:03 +0100, Martin Brown > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > >> My fibre modem hasn't been rebooted since installation apart from when >> it was unplugged for rearranging my office furniture. It is very stable. >> >> ADSL links used to die at least every couple of months with router >> firmware either going unresponsive or claiming perfect signal synch but >> no data transfer so incrementing hard unrecoverable error seconds in >> realtime. I always got a few of those per day in normal operation. > > Our Comcast box downloads its software from the mother ship, every > time it powers up. That takes about 15 minutes. I asssme they are in > the usual constant-upgrade bug manufacturing mode, as downloaded > software usually is.Ouch! That is a royal PITA. Mine has to have its firmware updated every now and then if a vulnerability is found and/or exploited but it boots in under a minute from whatever internal SSD/memory stick it has. It issues dire warnings about not switching it off during an update.> If it's easy to fix, it's easy to break.Too true :( -- Martin Brown
