This has been in the science news lately. https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics. And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we) always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct from hallucinations.
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On Wednesday 3 January 2024 at 01:38:38 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:> This has been in the science news lately. > > https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words > > Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize > objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics. > > And maybe 10% of the population is never really in the dark. They (we) > always see flashing geometric patterns, which are distinct from > hallucinations.Life is for real Delusional ideas stay for virtual life. Population is not something for real. Just ask your questions to your dad, to some other real persons.
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On 2024-01-03, John Larkin wrote:> This has been in the science news lately. > > https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words > > Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize > objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics.I can't (or well not well). Like "close your eyes and imagine an apple" might (*MIGHT*) get me "circle, red, stick out the top" (otherwise, just the black of the inside of my eyelids. On the other hand, ask me to draw a shape that'll fold into a cube, and I'll whip that up right quick (plus tabs for glue, etc). Likewise, stuff like "will this bookshelf fit on that wall" type things can usually be generalized to a "yeah, probably" or "notta chance" by eye. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 01:07:51 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:>On 2024-01-03, John Larkin wrote: >> This has been in the science news lately. >> >> https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words >> >> Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize >> objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics. > >I can't (or well not well). Like "close your eyes and imagine an apple" >might (*MIGHT*) get me "circle, red, stick out the top" (otherwise, just >the black of the inside of my eyelids. > >On the other hand, ask me to draw a shape that'll fold into a cube, and >I'll whip that up right quick (plus tabs for glue, etc). Likewise, stuff >like "will this bookshelf fit on that wall" type things can usually be >generalized to a "yeah, probably" or "notta chance" by eye.That's interesting. You can invent things with a pencil, on paper, but you can't visualize them? I can visualize simple circuits, but serious stuff must be drawn. With a pencil on paper, not CAD. Visualization is often a sort of out-of-focus image, a hint of what's possible. I'm very good at sizes and volumes, as whether the leftover soup in the pot will fit into this square plastic storage thing. Good to about 5% there. I also guess circuit values pretty close. I notice that some engineers are terrible at estimating magnitudes, like whether PCB capacitance will affect this circuit (when it won't by a million-to-1) People are so different.
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On 2024-01-03, John Larkin wrote:> On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 01:07:51 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> > wrote: > >>On 2024-01-03, John Larkin wrote: >>> This has been in the science news lately. >>> >>> https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/why-some-people-cant-visualize-images-and-may-dream-in-words >>> >>> Something like one to three per cent of the population can't visualize >>> objects. I wonder if such people can still design electronics. >> >>I can't (or well not well). Like "close your eyes and imagine an apple" >>might (*MIGHT*) get me "circle, red, stick out the top" (otherwise, just >>the black of the inside of my eyelids. >> >>On the other hand, ask me to draw a shape that'll fold into a cube, and >>I'll whip that up right quick (plus tabs for glue, etc). Likewise, stuff >>like "will this bookshelf fit on that wall" type things can usually be >>generalized to a "yeah, probably" or "notta chance" by eye. > > That's interesting. You can invent things with a pencil, on paper, but > you can't visualize them? > > I can visualize simple circuits, but serious stuff must be drawn. With > a pencil on paper, not CAD. Visualization is often a sort of > out-of-focus image, a hint of what's possible.If by "visualize", you mean "see a picture of it in my head" - no, not really. Like I *know* a cube can be made of 6 1" squares laid out in a "t" pattern; but even describing it here, it's not like I see a picture of that layout in my head (fuzzy or not). Actually, in the case of this "foldable template", it's almost more a series of instructions describing the lines. Not quite as blatant as what I've written below, but it's the best approximation I can put to paper: LINE 1.1, 2.1, BOLD LINE 1.1, 1.2, BOLD LINE 2.1, 2.2, BOLD LINE 1.2, 2.2, DASH [...] (Instructions -> "Cut on BOLD lines, fold on DASH...")> > I'm very good at sizes and volumes, as whether the leftover soup in > the pot will fit into this square plastic storage thing. Good to about > 5% there. I also guess circuit values pretty close. I notice that some > engineers are terrible at estimating magnitudes, like whether PCB > capacitance will affect this circuit (when it won't by a million-to-1)I've not yet had to worry about parasitic loads on a PCB .. but then again, I'm way down at DC out on the boards (eh, okay, 1 or 2 MHz on an SPI bus sometimes, but the RF engineers I know [jokingly] told me that's basically just DC anyway ;) ) -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
