On 10/18/2023 12:17 PM, whit3rd wrote:> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:35:33 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote: >> On 10/16/2023 7:50 AM, Arie de Muijnck wrote: >>> On 2023-10-15 04:44, Don Y wrote: >>>> It seems like nothing is coming close to replacing (or, >>>> acting as an alternative) RJ45's for ethernet applications. > >> It's interesting that the flimsy connectors in widespread use >> haven't found a more robust replacement, esp as more and more >> "casual" users have (bad?) experiences with them! > > As a semi-casual user, I've had bad experiences, then got a bag of replacement > connectors and a crimp tool... that fixed all my problems. A different connector > would just be... a new bunch of problems.Most folks aren't going to make (or repair) their own cables. One can buy "hooded" (and equivalent) connector shells. But, often they are poorly made (even made of HARD plastic so you can't deform them to release the latch). As most casual users don't have a box of spare cables on hand (of the appropriate length), a broken connector means a trip to the store to be operational, again.
RJ45 (8P8C) alternatives IN USE for ethernet
Started by ●October 14, 2023
Reply by ●October 18, 20232023-10-18
Reply by ●October 18, 20232023-10-18
On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote:> On 10/18/2023 12:17 PM, whit3rd wrote: >> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:35:33 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote: >>> On 10/16/2023 7:50 AM, Arie de Muijnck wrote: >>>> On 2023-10-15 04:44, Don Y wrote: >>>>> It seems like nothing is coming close to replacing (or, >>>>> acting as an alternative) RJ45's for ethernet applications. >> >>> It's interesting that the flimsy connectors in widespread use >>> haven't found a more robust replacement, esp as more and more >>> "casual" users have (bad?) experiences with them! >> >> As a semi-casual user, I've had bad experiences, then got a bag of replacement >> connectors and a crimp tool... that fixed all my problems. A different connector >> would just be... a new bunch of problems. > > Most folks aren't going to make (or repair) their own cables.So then they buy a new one, or call their friend / relative who can fix it for them. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
Reply by ●October 18, 20232023-10-18
On 10/18/2023 3:13 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:> On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote: >> On 10/18/2023 12:17 PM, whit3rd wrote: >>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:35:33 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote: >>>> On 10/16/2023 7:50 AM, Arie de Muijnck wrote: >>>>> On 2023-10-15 04:44, Don Y wrote: >>>>>> It seems like nothing is coming close to replacing (or, >>>>>> acting as an alternative) RJ45's for ethernet applications. >>> >>>> It's interesting that the flimsy connectors in widespread use >>>> haven't found a more robust replacement, esp as more and more >>>> "casual" users have (bad?) experiences with them! >>> >>> As a semi-casual user, I've had bad experiences, then got a bag of replacement >>> connectors and a crimp tool... that fixed all my problems. A different connector >>> would just be... a new bunch of problems. >> >> Most folks aren't going to make (or repair) their own cables. > > So then they buy a new one, or call their friend / relative who can fix > it for them.Which is how my supply of spares has been exhausted. Note that no one ever calls looking for a spare printer cable, audio cable, USB cable, etc. as they don't fail like network cables do.
Reply by ●October 18, 20232023-10-18
On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote:> On 10/18/2023 3:13 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: >> On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote: >>> [...] >>> Most folks aren't going to make (or repair) their own cables. >> >> So then they buy a new one, or call their friend / relative who can fix >> it for them. > > Which is how my supply of spares has been exhausted. > > Note that no one ever calls looking for a spare printer cable, > audio cable, USB cable, etc. as they don't fail like network > cables do.Or people just have a glut of USB cables these days, because /everything/ comes with it's new (USB) charger & charging cable ... so, drawer full already. I've still got the same network cables as I used in college, albeit cut in half because I didn't need to run 50 foot of cable around the perimeter of the (dorm) room :) -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
Reply by ●October 18, 20232023-10-18
On 10/18/2023 5:45 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:> On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote: >> On 10/18/2023 3:13 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: >>> On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote: >>>> [...] >>>> Most folks aren't going to make (or repair) their own cables. >>> >>> So then they buy a new one, or call their friend / relative who can fix >>> it for them. >> >> Which is how my supply of spares has been exhausted. >> >> Note that no one ever calls looking for a spare printer cable, >> audio cable, USB cable, etc. as they don't fail like network >> cables do. > > Or people just have a glut of USB cables these days, because > /everything/ comes with it's new (USB) charger & charging cable ... so, > drawer full already.And every THING needs the cable that came with it! How often do you buy something and get a "spare cable" in the package?> I've still got the same network cables as I used in college, albeit cut > in half because I didn't need to run 50 foot of cable around the > perimeter of the (dorm) room :)Orange hose when I was in college...
Reply by ●October 19, 20232023-10-19
On a sunny day (Wed, 18 Oct 2023 12:17:46 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in <bbee0cf8-7548-4de4-99d0-f37e9ebabc7cn@googlegroups.com>:>On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:35:33 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote: >> On 10/16/2023 7:50 AM, Arie de Muijnck wrote: >> > On 2023-10-15 04:44, Don Y wrote: >> >> It seems like nothing is coming close to replacing (or, >> >> acting as an alternative) RJ45's for ethernet applications. > >> It's interesting that the flimsy connectors in widespread use >> haven't found a more robust replacement, esp as more and more >> "casual" users have (bad?) experiences with them! > >As a semi-casual user, I've had bad experiences, then got a bag of replacem= >ent >connectors and a crimp tool... that fixed all my problems. A different co= >nnector >would just be... a new bunch of problems.Same here, replaced 2 RJ45 connectors last few days, always takes time to get the colors aligned... I also modified a RJ45 PCB female one for POE, it had a few hundred Ohm resistor between the power lines.... Was easy to take apart, cut the tracks to the resistors, make an extra hole and solder 2 power wires.
Reply by ●October 19, 20232023-10-19
On 2023-10-19, Don Y wrote:> On 10/18/2023 5:45 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: >> On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote: >>> On 10/18/2023 3:13 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: >>>> On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote: >>>>> [...] >>>>> Most folks aren't going to make (or repair) their own cables. >>>> >>>> So then they buy a new one, or call their friend / relative who can fix >>>> it for them. >>> >>> Which is how my supply of spares has been exhausted. >>> >>> Note that no one ever calls looking for a spare printer cable, >>> audio cable, USB cable, etc. as they don't fail like network >>> cables do. >> >> Or people just have a glut of USB cables these days, because >> /everything/ comes with it's new (USB) charger & charging cable ... so, >> drawer full already. > > And every THING needs the cable that came with it! > How often do you buy something and get a "spare cable" > in the package?I don't need my new phone's USB-C charger (and corresponding cable), the old one still works fine (so, yay, spare). Likewise, my wireless game controllers that charge over mini- or micro-B -- all of them came with a USB cable, but they don't all need to charge simultaneously. Or the printer, where I replaced an old one (so already had the right USB A/B printer cable -- TBH, I was surprised to find a cable in the box). -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
Reply by ●October 19, 20232023-10-19
On 10/19/2023 3:00 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:> On 2023-10-19, Don Y wrote: >> On 10/18/2023 5:45 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: >>> On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote: >>>> On 10/18/2023 3:13 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: >>>>> On 2023-10-18, Don Y wrote: >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> Most folks aren't going to make (or repair) their own cables. >>>>> >>>>> So then they buy a new one, or call their friend / relative who can fix >>>>> it for them. >>>> >>>> Which is how my supply of spares has been exhausted. >>>> >>>> Note that no one ever calls looking for a spare printer cable, >>>> audio cable, USB cable, etc. as they don't fail like network >>>> cables do. >>> >>> Or people just have a glut of USB cables these days, because >>> /everything/ comes with it's new (USB) charger & charging cable ... so, >>> drawer full already. >> >> And every THING needs the cable that came with it! >> How often do you buy something and get a "spare cable" >> in the package? > > I don't need my new phone's USB-C charger (and corresponding cable), the > old one still works fine (so, yay, spare). Likewise, my wireless game > controllers that charge over mini- or micro-B -- all of them came with a > USB cable, but they don't all need to charge simultaneously. Or the > printer, where I replaced an old one (so already had the right USB A/B > printer cable -- TBH, I was surprised to find a cable in the box).I have each chargeable USB device with its own cable so they can all sit on chargers until needed (phones, BT speakers, tablets, headphones, earpieces, eReaders, etc.). I've found labeling the cables is the easiest way for me to keep track of when one "goes missing". Three of my scanners have a "USB option" (in addition to being network or SCSI accessible) so each is cabled to a host -- for the settings that aren't adjustable over the network. Each external (USB) disk drive is cabled to a host so all I have to do is apply power to access its contents. (I've had to purchase several miniUSB cables as some of the drives have misplaced theirs). I have SATA docks on several machines, each connected to a nearby host. Each UPS is tethered to its corresponding host along with the network. My monitors are (USB) cabled to their hosts to make use of the hubs/card readers embedded in them. I have "extension" cables (MaleA to FemaleA) on any devices where the "real" connector is hard to access (e.g., the rear USB connections on kit that's not located *on* my workbench which likely has OTHER kit piled atop it making moving it -- to access the rear panel -- difficult). I don't like having to "dig out" cables (or any other kit, for that matter -- external disks, mice, monitors, digitizers, motion controllers, etc.) so leave them "stored" where they will actually be used. (How does storing them save any space or make their use any easier?) My "spare cables" are LONG video cables, LONG network cables, LONG SCSI cables, LONG "coax" cables and LONG serial/parallel cables. In a pinch, one will suffice -- until I can make arrangements to get others. It also discourages "borrowers" as no one likes to have a *pile* of wire lying around! SHORT cables leave less slack around here so THEY see use instead of longer ones (e.g., there's ~700 ft of CAT5e in my tiny little office... in ~60 modest length pieces!) [I currently need 8 2m network cables so I'll go chase them down in the next week or so]
