Curious

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 01:46:58 -0800 (PST), Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, 31 December 2021 at 11:12:53 UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On 31 Dec 2021 08:38:07 GMT, Robert Latest <bobl...@yahoo.com> 
>> wrote:
>> >Rick C wrote: 
>> >> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 1:05:20 PM UTC-4, Robert Latest wrote: 
>> >>> Rick C wrote: 
>> >>> > Even the part that doesn't drive depends on the other part to get products 
>> >>> > and food produced and delivered and support their way of life. 
>> >>> Not as much as our lifestyle depends on their being paid so little that they 
>> >>> won't ever be able to afford to significantly pollute the planet. 
>> >> 
>> >> What??? Have you gone off the deep end??? 
>> > 
>> >No. 
>> > 
>> >> What part of 7 billion do you not understand? No one needs to drive cars or 
>> >> sit in hot tubs to pollute the planet when there are 7 billion of us all 
>> >> working to the same end. 
>> > 
>> >Exactly my point. It is intrinsically impossible for all 7 billion to have that.
>> Everyone should have electricity, clean running water, reasonably 
>> comfortable shelter, some sort of communications, transport, a decent 
>> diet, basic medical care, access to education, and basic safety. 
>> 
>> There is no reason that 7 billion people shouldn't have that. The 
>> fraction of the population living in extreme poverty continues to 
>> decline.
>
>It declines despite the definition being revised upward. 
>But the reasons for poverty are real, and not ceasing to exist any time soon.

The main reason for poverty now is bad politics. Compare the Koreas
for example. Compare Venezuela to Costa Rica. Dictators wreck
economies.



-- 

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 8:09:33 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> The main reason for poverty now is bad politics. Compare the Koreas 
> for example. Compare Venezuela to Costa Rica. Dictators wreck 
> economies.

Oh, there's population pressures and land depletion issues also; the  old days when
a tribe could move into new territory, and herders find fresh pastures, and loners could
forage in the wild, conferred a bit of safety that city-bound populations don't have.

Blaming 'bad politics' might be a cheap shot; which is the cause, and which the effect?
Economics of limited resources are subject to Malthusian logic.
Politics is always involved, but so is gravity, and air, by the simple mechanism of
ubiquity in human life.

On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 3:09:33 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 01:46:58 -0800 (PST), Tabby <tabb...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> >On Friday, 31 December 2021 at 11:12:53 UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> >> On 31 Dec 2021 08:38:07 GMT, Robert Latest <bobl...@yahoo.com> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> >Rick C wrote: 
> >> >> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 1:05:20 PM UTC-4, Robert Latest wrote: 
> >> >>> Rick C wrote: 
> >> >>> > Even the part that doesn't drive depends on the other part to get products 
> >> >>> > and food produced and delivered and support their way of life. 
> >> >>> Not as much as our lifestyle depends on their being paid so little that they 
> >> >>> won't ever be able to afford to significantly pollute the planet. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> What??? Have you gone off the deep end??? 
> >> > 
> >> >No. 
> >> > 
> >> >> What part of 7 billion do you not understand? No one needs to drive cars or 
> >> >> sit in hot tubs to pollute the planet when there are 7 billion of us all 
> >> >> working to the same end. 
> >> > 
> >> >Exactly my point. It is intrinsically impossible for all 7 billion to have that. 
> >> Everyone should have electricity, clean running water, reasonably 
> >> comfortable shelter, some sort of communications, transport, a decent 
> >> diet, basic medical care, access to education, and basic safety. 
> >> 
> >> There is no reason that 7 billion people shouldn't have that. The 
> >> fraction of the population living in extreme poverty continues to 
> >> decline. 
> > 
> >It declines despite the definition being revised upward. 
>
> >But the reasons for poverty are real, and not ceasing to exist any time soon.
>
> The main reason for poverty now is bad politics. Compare the Koreas 
> for example. Compare Venezuela to Costa Rica. Dictators wreck 
> economies.

So do right-wing politicians. The US has more poverty than Sweden. John Larkin won't be able to process this. He liked what Donald Trump did to the US economy, because the effect on his business was positive. Less well-off people were less impressed.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:49:59 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 8:09:33 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> The main reason for poverty now is bad politics. Compare the Koreas 
>> for example. Compare Venezuela to Costa Rica. Dictators wreck 
>> economies.
>
>Oh, there's population pressures and land depletion issues also; the  old days when
>a tribe could move into new territory, and herders find fresh pastures, and loners could
>forage in the wild, conferred a bit of safety that city-bound populations don't have.
>
>Blaming 'bad politics' might be a cheap shot; which is the cause, and which the effect?
>Economics of limited resources are subject to Malthusian logic.
>Politics is always involved, but so is gravity, and air, by the simple mechanism of
>ubiquity in human life.

Does the climate change suddenly in the dmz between the Koreas?

https://tinyurl.com/4pcdk3rj



-- 

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 8:03:56 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:49:59 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> >On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 8:09:33 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> > 
> >> The main reason for poverty now is bad politics. Compare the Koreas 
> >> for example.

> >Oh, there's population pressures and land depletion issues also...
> >Blaming 'bad politics' might be a cheap shot...

> >Politics is always involved, but so is gravity, and air, by the simple mechanism of 
> >ubiquity in human life.

> Does the climate change suddenly in the dmz between the Koreas? 

Well, it's another ubiquitous influence.   Most poverty, though, isn't represented by
North Korea.   There's a bit of international market presence of goods from that
little principality, the economy isn't a simple wreck.

<https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2020/12/01/arms-for-oil-how-north-korea-and-iran-facilitate-each-others-security-strategies/>