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Lug Designation

Started by Jordee October 16, 2021
Gardner Bender Insulated
Lug 10-108
Lug 15-108

Both 12-10 AWG
Both 5/16 - 3/8"

What is the difference ?
On 2021/10/16 22:20, Jordee wrote:
> Gardner Bender Insulated > Lug 10-108 > Lug 15-108 > > Both 12-10 AWG > Both 5/16 - 3/8" > > What is the difference ?
Looking at web: 10-108 is 1/4-3/8" 15-108 is 5/16-3/8" piglet
That makes no sense.

1/4 - 3/8"

Hole too big for 1/4" hardware.

I see no difference in the picture of either lug.

Any idea what this is about ?

I am using 3/8" hardware.

The price in packaging is also way different.

10-108   $10.29 for 50 pcs

15-108   $8.22 for 15 pcs

I can not find any info on the metal thickness but maybe that is the 
real difference ?   15-108 is thicker metal ?


piglet wrote:
> On 2021/10/16 22:20, Jordee wrote: >> Gardner Bender Insulated >> Lug 10-108 >> Lug 15-108 >> >> Both 12-10 AWG >> Both 5/16 - 3/8" >> >> What is the difference ? > > Looking at web: > 10-108 is 1/4-3/8" > 15-108 is 5/16-3/8" > > piglet > >
On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 6:37:33 PM UTC, Jordee wrote:
> That makes no sense. > > 1/4 - 3/8" > > Hole too big for 1/4" hardware. > I see no difference in the picture of either lug. > > Any idea what this is about ? > > I am using 3/8" hardware.
> The price in packaging is also way different. > > 10-108 $10.29 for 50 pcs > > 15-108 $8.22 for 15 pcs > > I can not find any info on the metal thickness but maybe that is the > real difference ? 15-108 is thicker metal ? > piglet wrote: > > On 2021/10/16 22:20, Jordee wrote: > >> Gardner Bender Insulated > >> Lug 10-108 > >> Lug 15-108 > >> Both 12-10 AWG > >> Both 5/16 - 3/8" > >> > >> What is the difference ? > > > > Looking at web: > > 10-108 is 1/4-3/8" > > 15-108 is 5/16-3/8" > > > > piglet
I look at the images (since the specs dont have these details) https://www.gardnerbender.com/-/media/inriver/10-108_PKG_01.jpg "5/16 to 3/8 inch stud" "vinyl insulated" "50 pack" https://www.gardnerbender.com/-/media/inriver/15-108_PKG_01.jpg "5/16 to 3/8 inch stud" "vinyl insulated" "15 pack" the ring terminals themselves look identical. Just buy as many as you need. I've never know a commercial-grade termination to be offered in different thicknesses. If they did, one would hope they include this as a spec... Are you designing something? Or just repairing an appliance? When designing a product and an application makes some property critical and the manufacturer doesn't spec it, or cant guarantee it, then before you begin production, you buy some from several manufacturers and test them before choosing the final part . Have had to do this many times... cheers, RS
On 17/10/2021 19:37, Jordee wrote:
> > That makes no sense. > > 1/4 - 3/8" > > Hole too big for 1/4" hardware. > > I see no difference in the picture of either lug. > > Any idea what this is about ? > > I am using 3/8" hardware. > > The price in packaging is also way different. > > 10-108   $10.29 for 50 pcs > > 15-108   $8.22 for 15 pcs > > I can not find any info on the metal thickness but maybe that is the > real difference ?   15-108 is thicker metal ? > > > piglet wrote: >> On 2021/10/16 22:20, Jordee wrote: >>> Gardner Bender Insulated >>> Lug 10-108 >>> Lug 15-108 >>> >>> Both 12-10 AWG >>> Both 5/16 - 3/8" >>> >>> What is the difference ? >> >> Looking at web: >> 10-108 is 1/4-3/8" >> 15-108 is 5/16-3/8" >> >> piglet >> >> >
Dunno, but this page (overview tab) mentions 1/4" .... https://www.gardnerbender.com/en/p/10-108/Vinyl-Insuled-Ring-Terminals# piglet
On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 7:31:22 PM UTC, Rich S wrote:
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 6:37:33 PM UTC, Jordee wrote: > > That makes no sense. > > > > 1/4 - 3/8" > > > > Hole too big for 1/4" hardware. > > I see no difference in the picture of either lug. > > > > Any idea what this is about ? > > > > I am using 3/8" hardware. > > > The price in packaging is also way different. > > > > 10-108 $10.29 for 50 pcs > > > > 15-108 $8.22 for 15 pcs > > > > I can not find any info on the metal thickness but maybe that is the > > real difference ? 15-108 is thicker metal ? > > piglet wrote: > > > On 2021/10/16 22:20, Jordee wrote: > > >> Gardner Bender Insulated > > >> Lug 10-108 > > >> Lug 15-108 > > >> Both 12-10 AWG > > >> Both 5/16 - 3/8" > > >> > > >> What is the difference ? > > > > > > Looking at web: > > > 10-108 is 1/4-3/8" > > > 15-108 is 5/16-3/8" > > > > > > piglet > I look at the images (since the specs dont have these details) > https://www.gardnerbender.com/-/media/inriver/10-108_PKG_01.jpg > "5/16 to 3/8 inch stud" > "vinyl insulated" > "50 pack" > > https://www.gardnerbender.com/-/media/inriver/15-108_PKG_01.jpg > "5/16 to 3/8 inch stud" > "vinyl insulated" > "15 pack" > > the ring terminals themselves look identical. Just buy as many as you need. > I've never know a commercial-grade termination to be offered in different thicknesses. > If they did, one would hope they include this as a spec... > > Are you designing something? Or just repairing an appliance? > When designing a product and an application makes some property critical > and the manufacturer doesn't spec it, or cant guarantee it, then > before you begin production, you buy some from several manufacturers > and test them before choosing the final part . Have had to do this > many times... > > cheers, RS
If you want more selection, and have specific needs, go industrial vendor, where you Can get different thicknesses, and use their product selector. More manufacturers to pick from. e.g., https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/terminals-ring-connectors/394?s=N4IgjCBcoJwExVAYygMwIYBsDOBTANCAPZQDaIAzAKwAcMdIAuoQA4AuUIAymwE4CWAOwDmIAL6E49RCBSQMOAsTKUpNAAwB2Jqw6RufIaIkgpMGXIV5CJSOTAaKFCMxDtOPASPEmAbDP4AE04wABZtXQ9Db0I2AE8WXE5A7BQxMSA
On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 7:53:19 PM UTC, piglet wrote:
> On 17/10/2021 19:37, Jordee wrote: > > > > That makes no sense. > > > > 1/4 - 3/8" > > > > Hole too big for 1/4" hardware. > > > > I see no difference in the picture of either lug. > > > > Any idea what this is about ? > > > > I am using 3/8" hardware. > > > > The price in packaging is also way different. > > > > 10-108 $10.29 for 50 pcs > > > > 15-108 $8.22 for 15 pcs > > > > I can not find any info on the metal thickness but maybe that is the > > real difference ? 15-108 is thicker metal ? > > > > > > piglet wrote: > >> On 2021/10/16 22:20, Jordee wrote: > >>> Gardner Bender Insulated > >>> Lug 10-108 > >>> Lug 15-108 > >>> > >>> Both 12-10 AWG > >>> Both 5/16 - 3/8" > >>> > >>> What is the difference ? > >> > >> Looking at web: > >> 10-108 is 1/4-3/8" > >> 15-108 is 5/16-3/8" > >> > >> piglet > >> > >> > > > Dunno, but this page (overview tab) mentions 1/4" .... > > https://www.gardnerbender.com/en/p/10-108/Vinyl-Insuled-Ring-Terminals# > > piglet
Fact-checking web pages, a never-ending job, I think... :-) True, that overview page states 1/4" as minimum stud size, package has 5/16". The actual opening is just over 3/8" to accommodate that size stud. So using it on a 1/4" stud can be done, but will permit a looser connection. So the whole fastener stack becomes even more important (washers, lockwashers and nuts). Maybe some products don't follow a standard, or do, but it allows such slop on the power/ground lug. My experience with power supply manufacturing, the ground lug assembly is a serious design & assembly process. regards, RS
On 10/16/2021 4:20 PM, Jordee wrote:
> Gardner Bender Insulated > Lug 10-108 > Lug 15-108 > > Both 12-10 AWG > Both 5/16 - 3/8" > > What is the difference ?
I went to the site, 10-108 says quantity 50 https://www.gardnerbender.com/en/p/20-108/Vinyl-Insuled-Ring-Terminals#tabMarketingResources 15-108 says quantity 15
> https://www.gardnerbender.com/-/media/inriver/15-108_PKG_01.jpg?modified=20200715015743
20-108 quantity 13    :-(
> https://www.gardnerbender.com/-/media/inriver/20-108_PKG_01.jpg?modified=20200117134528
But using prefix  25, 30, 50 return dead links. I looked at the pictures of the packaging for the quantity.                                                 Mikek -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Jordee <Jordee@Noplace.com> wrote in news:skffn7$1qov$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

> Gardner Bender Insulated > Lug 10-108 > Lug 15-108 > > Both 12-10 AWG > Both 5/16 - 3/8" > > What is the difference ? >
Maybe temp or polymer on the sleeve? Or RoHS compliance? I did not scan through, but I dug it up for ya... From their site... Description: GARDNER BENDER 10-108 RING TERMINAL 12-10AWG Technical Description: Standard Type; Yellow Color; 12 AWG min. Conductor Size; 10 AWG Max. Conductor Size; UL Approval; 75 Deg C Temperature Rating; 50 Standard Package; 1/4 to 3/8 Inch Stud Size; Vinyl Insulated Insulation Type; Gb. Brand UPC: 03207610108 Part Number: 10-108 Dependable and easy to use, Gardner Bender terminals (and wiring accessories) offer the high quality and application flexibility that professionals demand. Available in a variety of packaging options, look to Gardner Bender for secure wire connection options. The Gardner Bender Vinyl-Insulated Ring Terminals (50-Pack) provide dependable protection from high temperature and electric shock. These terminals are ideal for use with 12 - 10 AWG wire and 1/4 in. - 3/8 in. stud size. Color coded insulation for easy identification. Vinyl-insulated barrel provides a maximum 600-Volt rating Designed for use with 12 - 10 AWG wire and 1/4 in. - 3/8 in. stud size Available in a variety of packaging options and stud sizes Rated at 600 Volt Max Temperature rating: 167 deg F (75 deg C) Description: GARDNER BENDER 15-108 12-10AWG 3/8 RING TERMINAL Technical Description: 12-10AWG 3/8 Ring Term UPC: 03207607500 Part Number: 15-108 Dependable and easy to use, Gardner Bender terminals (and wiring accessories) offer the high quality and application flexibility that professionals demand. Available in a variety of packaging options, look to Gardner Bender for secure wire connection options. The Gardner Bender 12 - 10 AWG, 5/16 - 3/8 Stud Size Yellow Vinyl- Insulated Ring Terminals (15-Pack) features a crimp-type design rated to 600-Volt for building wiring and 1,000-Volt for signs and fixtures. Vinyl-insulated barrel is insulation sleeve is securely fastened with a butted seam. Industry standard color-coding indicates wire guage size. 600-volt maximum rating as building wiring and 1,000-volt maximum rating for signs and fixtures. UL listed. Temperature Rating: 167F (75C) Secure, strong crimp-type design UL and CSA safety listings
Rich S <richsulinengineer@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 6:37:33 PM UTC, Jordee wrote: >> That makes no sense. >> >> 1/4 - 3/8" >> >> Hole too big for 1/4" hardware. >> I see no difference in the picture of either lug. >> >> Any idea what this is about ? >> >> I am using 3/8" hardware. > >> The price in packaging is also way different. >> >> 10-108 $10.29 for 50 pcs >> >> 15-108 $8.22 for 15 pcs >> >> I can not find any info on the metal thickness but maybe that is >> the real difference ? 15-108 is thicker metal ? >> piglet wrote: >> > On 2021/10/16 22:20, Jordee wrote: >> >> Gardner Bender Insulated >> >> Lug 10-108 >> >> Lug 15-108 >> >> Both 12-10 AWG >> >> Both 5/16 - 3/8" >> >> >> >> What is the difference ? >> > >> > Looking at web: >> > 10-108 is 1/4-3/8" >> > 15-108 is 5/16-3/8" >> > >> > piglet > > > > I look at the images (since the specs dont have these details) > https://www.gardnerbender.com/-/media/inriver/10-108_PKG_01.jpg > "5/16 to 3/8 inch stud" > "vinyl insulated" > "50 pack" > > https://www.gardnerbender.com/-/media/inriver/15-108_PKG_01.jpg > "5/16 to 3/8 inch stud" > "vinyl insulated" > "15 pack" > > the ring terminals themselves look identical. Just buy as many as > you need. I've never know a commercial-grade termination to be > offered in different thicknesses. If they did, one would hope they > include this as a spec... > > Are you designing something? Or just repairing an appliance? > When designing a product and an application makes some property > critical and the manufacturer doesn't spec it, or cant guarantee > it, then before you begin production, you buy some from several > manufacturers and test them before choosing the final part . Have > had to do this many times... > > cheers, RS >
Weird, it was not on the "specs" tab, but it was on the "overview" tab on their site.