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Started by Unlisted June 19, 2021
Has anyone figured out how much  power can be transmitted on a LPFM station if you could get approved? 

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On 6/20/2021 11:03 AM, Rick C wrote:
> Has anyone figured out how much power can be transmitted on a LPFM station if you could get approved? >
Ya, a max of "100 watts ERP at 30 meters (100 feet) antenna height above average terrain (HAAT)." <https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/lpfm>
On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 08:03:23 -0700, Rick C wrote:

> Has anyone figured out how much power can be transmitted on a LPFM > station if you could get approved?
https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/lpfm ...LPFM stations are authorized for noncommercial educational broadcasting only (no commercial operation) and operate with an effective radiated power (ERP) of 100 watts (0.1 kilowatts) or less, with maximum facilities of 100 watts ERP at 30 meters (100 feet) antenna height above average terrain (HAAT). ...
On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 09:47:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>Or I could just upgrade to general, the test doesn't seem hard.
Some time in the distant past, the FCC removed the 13 wpm Morse code requirement for the General class license. Since the technical part of the Technician and General class license exams were identical (when I passed the Tech exam), the FCC offered me an easy upgrade to General without having to retake the exam. So, I arrived at the designated place ready to fill out a form, pay a few dollars, and receive and instant upgrade. Instead, one of the volunteer examiners suggested I take the Extra Class exam instead. Same low price. If I failed the exam, I would still get the General class upgrade as a consolation prize. Great. However, there was a small problem. Since I didn't expect to take an exam, I hadn't studied. I was fairly certain that I could pass the theory sections, but there were some questions dealing with rules, operations, and on the air protocols, where I wasn't so certain. I borrowed a calculator and began guessing answers. After checking my answers at least 3 times, and probably changing some correct guesses to incorrect answers, I decided that it was time to give up. Much to my surprise, I passed the exam. I was now an Extra Class license holder. I was then informed that this entitled me to change my call sign. However, I couldn't just pick my personalized preference but had to take the next available call sign in the pool. It wasn't great, but was an improvement over my previous call sign: <https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2482894> So, if you know anything about electronics and RF, and can memorize some arcane FCC rules and regulations, you can certainly pass the General class exam, and probably also pass the Extra class exam. I suggest you hurry before the FCC imposes a $35 application fee: <http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-reduces-proposed-amateur-radio-application-fee-to-35> -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On 6/20/2021 2:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 09:47:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> Or I could just upgrade to general, the test doesn't seem hard. > > Some time in the distant past, the FCC removed the 13 wpm Morse code > requirement for the General class license. Since the technical part > of the Technician and General class license exams were identical (when > I passed the Tech exam), the FCC offered me an easy upgrade to General > without having to retake the exam. So, I arrived at the designated > place ready to fill out a form, pay a few dollars, and receive and > instant upgrade. Instead, one of the volunteer examiners suggested I > take the Extra Class exam instead. Same low price. If I failed the > exam, I would still get the General class upgrade as a consolation > prize. Great.
Yeah, they were OK with me taking further tests that night to move on up but I hadn't studied for 'em and it feels bad to just make guesses. Plus it was relatively crowded at the testing location that night; about a dozen test-takers and maybe a half-dozen guys proctoring (seemed like more than necessary), a number of both weren't bothering with masking, and the room at the local fish & game was small enough that I didn't much feel like spending more than a half hour there, it was during the winter 2020 case surge.
> However, there was a small problem. Since I didn't expect to take an > exam, I hadn't studied. I was fairly certain that I could pass the > theory sections, but there were some questions dealing with rules, > operations, and on the air protocols, where I wasn't so certain. I > borrowed a calculator and began guessing answers. After checking my > answers at least 3 times, and probably changing some correct guesses > to incorrect answers, I decided that it was time to give up. Much to > my surprise, I passed the exam. I was now an Extra Class license > holder. > > I was then informed that this entitled me to change my call sign. > However, I couldn't just pick my personalized preference but had to > take the next available call sign in the pool. It wasn't great, but > was an improvement over my previous call sign: > <https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2482894> > > So, if you know anything about electronics and RF, and can memorize > some arcane FCC rules and regulations, you can certainly pass the > General class exam, and probably also pass the Extra class exam. I > suggest you hurry before the FCC imposes a $35 application fee: > <http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-reduces-proposed-amateur-radio-application-fee-to-35>
Can't remember what I paid for the first test end of 2020, pretty sure I paid something though it may have been $15 or $25. I received a nice welcome Radiogram in the mail soon after from "Kate" K6HTN in Pasadena CA, my girlfriend though that was very cool and old-timey.
On 6/20/2021 11:51 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> So, if you know anything about electronics and RF, and can memorize > some arcane FCC rules and regulations, you can certainly pass the > General class exam, and probably also pass the Extra class exam. I > suggest you hurry before the FCC imposes a $35 application fee: > <http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-reduces-proposed-amateur-radio-application-fee-to-35>
That was my attitude. But, then I thought: "And what am I going to actually *do* with this, given that my waking hours are already spoken for... I'd much rather listen to some good music than hunt for idle chatter!"
On 6/20/2021 8:47 AM, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/19/2021 9:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 19:57:55 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> I got my technician license late last year cuz I figured at age 40 it >>> was probably something I should do and might be useful to have at some >>> point, my "rig" so far is an N-75 transceiver: >>> >>> <http://www.4sqrp.com/n-75.php> >> >> RetroTech AM modulation on 75 meters?&nbsp; I can see some value in raising >> the dead, but not for anything that is expected to be "useful".&nbsp; If >> you want to irritate the "old timers", design a radiation hardened >> transceiver that will survive a nuclear apocalypse.&nbsp; The politics on >> 75 meters is worse than in S.E.D. > > Oh, I've basically been using it just as a receiver which it works > pretty well at over 3 - 6.2 MHz to experiment with different antenna > configs. > > Full-power transmit is limited to 3.6-4 MHz and for the moment > technician privs are very limited on HF, the only non-CW allocation is > some USB in the 10 meter band for that class. Trouble is phone on the > higher freqs in my area is kinda dead...but looks like the new band plan > for 2021 is going to add some more phone allocation in HF including > 3.6-4 MHz for that class to use which I'm sure the old timers will hate > but whatevs.
Actually, the document you linked to says 3.605 MHz to 3.995 MHz.
> Or I could just upgrade to general, the test doesn't seem hard.
You probably have the knowledge to upgrade even higher. Why not go for it?
On 6/20/2021 5:58 PM, John S wrote:
> On 6/20/2021 8:47 AM, bitrex wrote: >> On 6/19/2021 9:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 19:57:55 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I got my technician license late last year cuz I figured at age 40 it >>>> was probably something I should do and might be useful to have at some >>>> point, my "rig" so far is an N-75 transceiver: >>>> >>>> <http://www.4sqrp.com/n-75.php> >>> >>> RetroTech AM modulation on 75 meters?&nbsp; I can see some value in raising >>> the dead, but not for anything that is expected to be "useful".&nbsp; If >>> you want to irritate the "old timers", design a radiation hardened >>> transceiver that will survive a nuclear apocalypse.&nbsp; The politics on >>> 75 meters is worse than in S.E.D. >> >> Oh, I've basically been using it just as a receiver which it works >> pretty well at over 3 - 6.2 MHz to experiment with different antenna >> configs. >> >> Full-power transmit is limited to 3.6-4 MHz and for the moment >> technician privs are very limited on HF, the only non-CW allocation is >> some USB in the 10 meter band for that class. Trouble is phone on the >> higher freqs in my area is kinda dead...but looks like the new band >> plan for 2021 is going to add some more phone allocation in HF >> including 3.6-4 MHz for that class to use which I'm sure the old >> timers will hate but whatevs. > > Actually, the document you linked to says 3.605 MHz to 3.995 MHz.
Oops! I just noticed that you got close enough :O
> >> Or I could just upgrade to general, the test doesn't seem hard. > > You probably have the knowledge to upgrade even higher. Why not go for it?
On 6/20/2021 6:58 PM, John S wrote:
> On 6/20/2021 8:47 AM, bitrex wrote: >> On 6/19/2021 9:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 19:57:55 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I got my technician license late last year cuz I figured at age 40 it >>>> was probably something I should do and might be useful to have at some >>>> point, my "rig" so far is an N-75 transceiver: >>>> >>>> <http://www.4sqrp.com/n-75.php> >>> >>> RetroTech AM modulation on 75 meters?&nbsp; I can see some value in raising >>> the dead, but not for anything that is expected to be "useful".&nbsp; If >>> you want to irritate the "old timers", design a radiation hardened >>> transceiver that will survive a nuclear apocalypse.&nbsp; The politics on >>> 75 meters is worse than in S.E.D. >> >> Oh, I've basically been using it just as a receiver which it works >> pretty well at over 3 - 6.2 MHz to experiment with different antenna >> configs. >> >> Full-power transmit is limited to 3.6-4 MHz and for the moment >> technician privs are very limited on HF, the only non-CW allocation is >> some USB in the 10 meter band for that class. Trouble is phone on the >> higher freqs in my area is kinda dead...but looks like the new band >> plan for 2021 is going to add some more phone allocation in HF >> including 3.6-4 MHz for that class to use which I'm sure the old >> timers will hate but whatevs. > > Actually, the document you linked to says 3.605 MHz to 3.995 MHz. > > >> Or I could just upgrade to general, the test doesn't seem hard. > > You probably have the knowledge to upgrade even higher. Why not go for it?
Frustratingly they weren't doing remote tests during the winter surge and I didn't feel like hanging around too long. Next scheduled one is mid July and I think I'll go back for the general at that point
On 6/20/2021 7:21 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/20/2021 6:58 PM, John S wrote: >> On 6/20/2021 8:47 AM, bitrex wrote: >>> On 6/19/2021 9:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 19:57:55 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I got my technician license late last year cuz I figured at age 40 it >>>>> was probably something I should do and might be useful to have at some >>>>> point, my "rig" so far is an N-75 transceiver: >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.4sqrp.com/n-75.php> >>>> >>>> RetroTech AM modulation on 75 meters?&nbsp; I can see some value in raising >>>> the dead, but not for anything that is expected to be "useful".&nbsp; If >>>> you want to irritate the "old timers", design a radiation hardened >>>> transceiver that will survive a nuclear apocalypse.&nbsp; The politics on >>>> 75 meters is worse than in S.E.D. >>> >>> Oh, I've basically been using it just as a receiver which it works >>> pretty well at over 3 - 6.2 MHz to experiment with different antenna >>> configs. >>> >>> Full-power transmit is limited to 3.6-4 MHz and for the moment >>> technician privs are very limited on HF, the only non-CW allocation >>> is some USB in the 10 meter band for that class. Trouble is phone on >>> the higher freqs in my area is kinda dead...but looks like the new >>> band plan for 2021 is going to add some more phone allocation in HF >>> including 3.6-4 MHz for that class to use which I'm sure the old >>> timers will hate but whatevs. >> >> Actually, the document you linked to says 3.605 MHz to 3.995 MHz. >> >> >>> Or I could just upgrade to general, the test doesn't seem hard. >> >> You probably have the knowledge to upgrade even higher. Why not go for >> it? > > Frustratingly they weren't doing remote tests during the winter surge > and I didn't feel like hanging around too long.
Not that there's really any mechanism to do that I guess, you could just have the answer key at home...