I purchased GFNT2-3W GCFI from Amazon. (Leviton) I have 124V between the screw where the white wire goes and the screw where the black wire goes. I have the ground wire connected. I have no voltage on the outlets. The GFCI show no sign of being tripped. Resetting does nothing. I did a continuity test on the remaining two GCFIs, I have no continuity between Hot and the outlet pin or N and the outlet pin. The green screw and the outlet ground pin does have continuity. I'm not using it to power another outlet and I do have power to the proper screw terminals. Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from the screws to the outlet pins? Mikek -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
I installed a GCFI, it has no output.
Started by ●September 22, 2020
Reply by ●September 22, 20202020-09-22
On 9/22/20 3:26 PM, amdx wrote:> Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from > the screws to the outlet pins?I don't /know/. But I do /speculate/ that at least the hot, if not the hot and neutral would be open until the outlet is reset. This means that an unpowered outlet probably would be open. My hunch is that this is part of the safety measure that the outlet can't /automatically/ start powering something when feed power is turned on /without/ someone intervening. This is probably a safety factor. Sort of like a latching switch. You have to turn it on, but it will hold itself on until it has a reason to trip and turn off. I know that the GFCI that's built into the end of my pressure washer cord also requires me to explicitly turn it on. I can hear a little click and see a light turn on when I do so. If I unplug it, I hear the click when I unplug it. Simply plugging it in is not sufficient. I must also reset the GFCI built into the end of the cord. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Reply by ●September 22, 20202020-09-22
On 9/22/2020 7:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 9/22/20 3:26 PM, amdx wrote: >> Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from >> the screws to the outlet pins? > > I don't /know/. > > But I do /speculate/ that at least the hot, if not the hot and neutral > would be open until the outlet is reset. This means that an unpowered > outlet probably would be open. > > My hunch is that this is part of the safety measure that the outlet > can't /automatically/ start powering something when feed power is > turned on /without/ someone intervening. This is probably a safety > factor. Sort of like a latching switch. You have to turn it on, but > it will hold itself on until it has a reason to trip and turn off. > > I know that the GFCI that's built into the end of my pressure washer > cord also requires me to explicitly turn it on. I can hear a little > click and see a light turn on when I do so. If I unplug it, I hear > the click when I unplug it. Simply plugging it in is not sufficient. > I must also reset the GFCI built into the end of the cord. > > > Well, I thought I knew how they worked, but something is not coming together here. I don't think it works like the one on your pressure washer, but it sure doesn't work like I expected. I have one powered and two un-powered, but it seems neither has continuity. I'll be calling Leviton in the morning to find out what I'm missing. Mikek -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Reply by ●September 23, 20202020-09-23
On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 8:15:19 PM UTC-4, Grant Taylor wrote:> On 9/22/20 3:26 PM, amdx wrote: > > Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from > > the screws to the outlet pins? > > I don't /know/. > > But I do /speculate/ that at least the hot, if not the hot and neutral > would be open until the outlet is reset. This means that an unpowered > outlet probably would be open. > > My hunch is that this is part of the safety measure that the outlet > can't /automatically/ start powering something when feed power is turned > on /without/ someone intervening. This is probably a safety factor. > Sort of like a latching switch. You have to turn it on, but it will > hold itself on until it has a reason to trip and turn off. > > I know that the GFCI that's built into the end of my pressure washer > cord also requires me to explicitly turn it on. I can hear a little > click and see a light turn on when I do so. If I unplug it, I hear the > click when I unplug it. Simply plugging it in is not sufficient. I > must also reset the GFCI built into the end of the cord.He did connect power and a ground, but with no load and hit the reset. This was the first thing he described. He is only checking for continuity as a second method. I don't know of any reason why his outlet would not provide power unless either he is connecting it wrong or it is defective. I read the product brochure and it has an LED to show the operating status. A green light means it is working and there should be power on the outlets. A red light means try the test, then reset buttons in that order. If it stays red it is faulty and should be replaced. No light means it is ether tripped or there is no power in the circuit. Mike didn't say anything about the lights. -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●September 23, 20202020-09-23
On 9/23/2020 1:12 AM, Ricketty C wrote:> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 8:15:19 PM UTC-4, Grant Taylor wrote: >> On 9/22/20 3:26 PM, amdx wrote: >>> Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from >>> the screws to the outlet pins? >> I don't /know/. >> >> But I do /speculate/ that at least the hot, if not the hot and neutral >> would be open until the outlet is reset. This means that an unpowered >> outlet probably would be open. >> >> My hunch is that this is part of the safety measure that the outlet >> can't /automatically/ start powering something when feed power is turned >> on /without/ someone intervening. This is probably a safety factor. >> Sort of like a latching switch. You have to turn it on, but it will >> hold itself on until it has a reason to trip and turn off. >> >> I know that the GFCI that's built into the end of my pressure washer >> cord also requires me to explicitly turn it on. I can hear a little >> click and see a light turn on when I do so. If I unplug it, I hear the >> click when I unplug it. Simply plugging it in is not sufficient. I >> must also reset the GFCI built into the end of the cord. > He did connect power and a ground, but with no load and hit the reset. This was the first thing he described. He is only checking for continuity as a second method. > > I don't know of any reason why his outlet would not provide power unless either he is connecting it wrong or it is defective. > > I read the product brochure and it has an LED to show the operating status. A green light means it is working and there should be power on the outlets. A red light means try the test, then reset buttons in that order. If it stays red it is faulty and should be replaced. No light means it is ether tripped or there is no power in the circuit. > > Mike didn't say anything about the lights. >Thanks Ricketty, you set me on the right path. The GFCI is shipped in the tripped position, and that does open both H and N between the screw terminal and the outlets. Thus no continuity. I followed the procedure list which I had missed! (I have a great excuse for missing it!)* The reset button is hard to push, I had to use a toothbrush handle, it needs to be push deeper than you can do it with a finger. It finally did reset and works, I used the test button and tripped it and reset it again. All is working now. Thanks, Mikek *I woke up with an irritated eye, extremely light sensitive, I could not look at my computer screen even with sunglasses on. I went to the eye doc, he said I have developed a problem from contact overwearing. Adding I had a build up of white blood cells, sterile something or other. He told not to wear my contacts at all, and I may or may not end up with a little scar tissue. I got eye drops and an ointment. Feeling much better today. Note of caution, I've been wearing contacts for over 20 years, I never took them out even when I slept. I only removed them when they fell out or were uncomfortable. Often I would wear them a month, never had a problem, until I did! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Reply by ●September 23, 20202020-09-23
On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:26:06 -0500, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:>I purchased GFNT2-3W GCFI from Amazon. (Leviton) > �I have 124V between the screw where the white wire goes and the screw >where the black wire goes. I have the ground wire connected. I have no >voltage on the outlets. The GFCI show no sign of being tripped. >Resetting does nothing. I did a continuity test on the remaining two >GCFIs, I have no continuity between Hot and the outlet pin or N and the >outlet pin. The green screw and the outlet ground pin does have >continuity. I'm not using it to power another outlet and I do have power >to the proper screw terminals. > �Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from >the screws to the outlet pins? > > ����������������������������������������������������� MikekAre you just measuring the input, or have you loaded the input without the GFI recently. You will get measurements on a live wire, even with a lousy neutral connection. That's what a GFI is supposed to protect you from. Load the line and check its functionality before the GFI. RL
Reply by ●September 24, 20202020-09-24
On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 8:09:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:> On 9/23/2020 1:12 AM, Ricketty C wrote: > > On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 8:15:19 PM UTC-4, Grant Taylor wrote: > >> On 9/22/20 3:26 PM, amdx wrote: > >>> Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from > >>> the screws to the outlet pins? > >> I don't /know/. > >> > >> But I do /speculate/ that at least the hot, if not the hot and neutral > >> would be open until the outlet is reset. This means that an unpowered > >> outlet probably would be open. > >> > >> My hunch is that this is part of the safety measure that the outlet > >> can't /automatically/ start powering something when feed power is turned > >> on /without/ someone intervening. This is probably a safety factor. > >> Sort of like a latching switch. You have to turn it on, but it will > >> hold itself on until it has a reason to trip and turn off. > >> > >> I know that the GFCI that's built into the end of my pressure washer > >> cord also requires me to explicitly turn it on. I can hear a little > >> click and see a light turn on when I do so. If I unplug it, I hear the > >> click when I unplug it. Simply plugging it in is not sufficient. I > >> must also reset the GFCI built into the end of the cord. > > He did connect power and a ground, but with no load and hit the reset. This was the first thing he described. He is only checking for continuity as a second method. > > > > I don't know of any reason why his outlet would not provide power unless either he is connecting it wrong or it is defective. > > > > I read the product brochure and it has an LED to show the operating status. A green light means it is working and there should be power on the outlets. A red light means try the test, then reset buttons in that order. If it stays red it is faulty and should be replaced. No light means it is ether tripped or there is no power in the circuit. > > > > Mike didn't say anything about the lights. > > > Thanks Ricketty, you set me on the right path. > > The GFCI is shipped in the tripped position, and that does open both H > and N between the screw terminal and the outlets. Thus no continuity. > > I followed the procedure list which I had missed! (I have a great excuse > for missing it!)* > > The reset button is hard to push, I had to use a toothbrush handle, it > needs to be push deeper than you can do it with a finger. > > It finally did reset and works, I used the test button and tripped it > and reset it again. All is working now. > > Thanks, Mikek > > *I woke up with an irritated eye, extremely light sensitive, I could not > look at my computer screen even with sunglasses on. > > I went to the eye doc, he said I have developed a problem from contact > overwearing. Adding I had a build up of white blood cells, > > sterile something or other. He told not to wear my contacts at all, > and I may or may not end up with a little scar tissue. > > I got eye drops and an ointment. > > Feeling much better today. > > Note of caution, I've been wearing contacts for over 20 years, I never > took them out even when I slept. > > I only removed them when they fell out or were uncomfortable. Often I > would wear them a month, never had a problem, until I did!Yes, many things are that way, they are no problem... until they are. Many people in the meantime refuse to believe it is a problem... until it is and it is too late to prevent it. Hope your eye is fine. So does your GFCI have an LED light or is it not the part number you gave us? -- Rick C. + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●September 24, 20202020-09-24
On 9/23/2020 6:09 AM, amdx wrote:> On 9/23/2020 1:12 AM, Ricketty C wrote: >> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 8:15:19 PM UTC-4, Grant Taylor wrote: >>> On 9/22/20 3:26 PM, amdx wrote: >>>> Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from >>>> the screws to the outlet pins? >>> I don't /know/. >>> >>> But I do /speculate/ that at least the hot, if not the hot and neutral >>> would be open until the outlet is reset. This means that an unpowered >>> outlet probably would be open. >>> >>> My hunch is that this is part of the safety measure that the outlet >>> can't /automatically/ start powering something when feed power is turned >>> on /without/ someone intervening. This is probably a safety factor. >>> Sort of like a latching switch. You have to turn it on, but it will >>> hold itself on until it has a reason to trip and turn off. >>> >>> I know that the GFCI that's built into the end of my pressure washer >>> cord also requires me to explicitly turn it on. I can hear a little >>> click and see a light turn on when I do so. If I unplug it, I hear the >>> click when I unplug it. Simply plugging it in is not sufficient. I >>> must also reset the GFCI built into the end of the cord. >> He did connect power and a ground, but with no load and hit the >> reset. This was the first thing he described. He is only checking >> for continuity as a second method. >> >> I don't know of any reason why his outlet would not provide power >> unless either he is connecting it wrong or it is defective. >> >> I read the product brochure and it has an LED to show the operating >> status. A green light means it is working and there should be power >> on the outlets. A red light means try the test, then reset buttons in >> that order. If it stays red it is faulty and should be replaced. No >> light means it is ether tripped or there is no power in the circuit. >> >> Mike didn't say anything about the lights. >> > Thanks Ricketty, you set me on the right path. > > The GFCI is shipped in the tripped position, and that does open both H > and N between the screw terminal and the outlets. Thus no continuity.In the good-old-days the load terminals connected directly to the receptacle. If you wired it backwards line-load the receptacle would never disconnect (not be protected). It seemed to work with test-reset, and downstream loads would be GFCI protected. They changed them so when tripped the line, load, and receptacle are all disconnected from each other, which eliminates the problem above. You have to reset the GFCI for it to work. If wired line-load backwards it can't be reset.> > I followed the procedure list which I had missed! (I have a great excuse > for missing it!)* >
Reply by ●September 24, 20202020-09-24
On 9/24/2020 8:35 AM, Ricketty C wrote:> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 8:09:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote: >> On 9/23/2020 1:12 AM, Ricketty C wrote: >>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 8:15:19 PM UTC-4, Grant Taylor wrote: >>>> On 9/22/20 3:26 PM, amdx wrote: >>>>> Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from >>>>> the screws to the outlet pins? >>>> I don't /know/. >>>> >>>> But I do /speculate/ that at least the hot, if not the hot and neutral >>>> would be open until the outlet is reset. This means that an unpowered >>>> outlet probably would be open. >>>> >>>> My hunch is that this is part of the safety measure that the outlet >>>> can't /automatically/ start powering something when feed power is turned >>>> on /without/ someone intervening. This is probably a safety factor. >>>> Sort of like a latching switch. You have to turn it on, but it will >>>> hold itself on until it has a reason to trip and turn off. >>>> >>>> I know that the GFCI that's built into the end of my pressure washer >>>> cord also requires me to explicitly turn it on. I can hear a little >>>> click and see a light turn on when I do so. If I unplug it, I hear the >>>> click when I unplug it. Simply plugging it in is not sufficient. I >>>> must also reset the GFCI built into the end of the cord. >>> He did connect power and a ground, but with no load and hit the reset. This was the first thing he described. He is only checking for continuity as a second method. >>> >>> I don't know of any reason why his outlet would not provide power unless either he is connecting it wrong or it is defective. >>> >>> I read the product brochure and it has an LED to show the operating status. A green light means it is working and there should be power on the outlets. A red light means try the test, then reset buttons in that order. If it stays red it is faulty and should be replaced. No light means it is ether tripped or there is no power in the circuit. >>> >>> Mike didn't say anything about the lights. >>> >> Thanks Ricketty, you set me on the right path. >> >> The GFCI is shipped in the tripped position, and that does open both H >> and N between the screw terminal and the outlets. Thus no continuity. >> >> I followed the procedure list which I had missed! (I have a great excuse >> for missing it!)* >> >> The reset button is hard to push, I had to use a toothbrush handle, it >> needs to be push deeper than you can do it with a finger. >> >> It finally did reset and works, I used the test button and tripped it >> and reset it again. All is working now. >> >> Thanks, Mikek >> >> *I woke up with an irritated eye, extremely light sensitive, I could not >> look at my computer screen even with sunglasses on. >> >> I went to the eye doc, he said I have developed a problem from contact >> overwearing. Adding I had a build up of white blood cells, >> >> sterile something or other. He told not to wear my contacts at all, >> and I may or may not end up with a little scar tissue. >> >> I got eye drops and an ointment. >> >> Feeling much better today. >> >> Note of caution, I've been wearing contacts for over 20 years, I never >> took them out even when I slept. >> >> I only removed them when they fell out or were uncomfortable. Often I >> would wear them a month, never had a problem, until I did! > Yes, many things are that way, they are no problem... until they are. Many people in the meantime refuse to believe it is a problem... until it is and it is too late to prevent it. > > Hope your eye is fine. > > So does your GFCI have an LED light or is it not the part number you gave us? >It does have an LED light, but the only time I see it glow is when I reset the GFCI. And then it is only a momentary red glow during the reset. It does not glow when the GFCI is tripped. My eye feels fine, which it always did a day after taking out my contact any other time I had irritation. I see the doc again tomorrow, he will let me know if it is healing internally. I suspect it will be fine, but I really, really, like my contacts and don't like glasses, so there may be a dilemma. Mikek -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Reply by ●September 24, 20202020-09-24
On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 12:40:01 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:> On 9/24/2020 8:35 AM, Ricketty C wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 8:09:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote: > >> On 9/23/2020 1:12 AM, Ricketty C wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 8:15:19 PM UTC-4, Grant Taylor wrote: > >>>> On 9/22/20 3:26 PM, amdx wrote: > >>>>> Is it normal for unpowered GCFI to not have H and N continuity from > >>>>> the screws to the outlet pins? > >>>> I don't /know/. > >>>> > >>>> But I do /speculate/ that at least the hot, if not the hot and neutral > >>>> would be open until the outlet is reset. This means that an unpowered > >>>> outlet probably would be open. > >>>> > >>>> My hunch is that this is part of the safety measure that the outlet > >>>> can't /automatically/ start powering something when feed power is turned > >>>> on /without/ someone intervening. This is probably a safety factor. > >>>> Sort of like a latching switch. You have to turn it on, but it will > >>>> hold itself on until it has a reason to trip and turn off. > >>>> > >>>> I know that the GFCI that's built into the end of my pressure washer > >>>> cord also requires me to explicitly turn it on. I can hear a little > >>>> click and see a light turn on when I do so. If I unplug it, I hear the > >>>> click when I unplug it. Simply plugging it in is not sufficient. I > >>>> must also reset the GFCI built into the end of the cord. > >>> He did connect power and a ground, but with no load and hit the reset. This was the first thing he described. He is only checking for continuity as a second method. > >>> > >>> I don't know of any reason why his outlet would not provide power unless either he is connecting it wrong or it is defective. > >>> > >>> I read the product brochure and it has an LED to show the operating status. A green light means it is working and there should be power on the outlets. A red light means try the test, then reset buttons in that order. If it stays red it is faulty and should be replaced. No light means it is ether tripped or there is no power in the circuit. > >>> > >>> Mike didn't say anything about the lights. > >>> > >> Thanks Ricketty, you set me on the right path. > >> > >> The GFCI is shipped in the tripped position, and that does open both H > >> and N between the screw terminal and the outlets. Thus no continuity. > >> > >> I followed the procedure list which I had missed! (I have a great excuse > >> for missing it!)* > >> > >> The reset button is hard to push, I had to use a toothbrush handle, it > >> needs to be push deeper than you can do it with a finger. > >> > >> It finally did reset and works, I used the test button and tripped it > >> and reset it again. All is working now. > >> > >> Thanks, Mikek > >> > >> *I woke up with an irritated eye, extremely light sensitive, I could not > >> look at my computer screen even with sunglasses on. > >> > >> I went to the eye doc, he said I have developed a problem from contact > >> overwearing. Adding I had a build up of white blood cells, > >> > >> sterile something or other. He told not to wear my contacts at all, > >> and I may or may not end up with a little scar tissue. > >> > >> I got eye drops and an ointment. > >> > >> Feeling much better today. > >> > >> Note of caution, I've been wearing contacts for over 20 years, I never > >> took them out even when I slept. > >> > >> I only removed them when they fell out or were uncomfortable. Often I > >> would wear them a month, never had a problem, until I did! > > Yes, many things are that way, they are no problem... until they are. Many people in the meantime refuse to believe it is a problem... until it is and it is too late to prevent it. > > > > Hope your eye is fine. > > > > So does your GFCI have an LED light or is it not the part number you gave us? > > > It does have an LED light, but the only time I see it glow is when I > reset the GFCI. > > And then it is only a momentary red glow during the reset. It does not > glow when the GFCI is tripped. > > My eye feels fine, which it always did a day after taking out my contact > any other time I had irritation. > > I see the doc again tomorrow, he will let me know if it is healing > internally. I suspect it will be fine, > > but I really, really, like my contacts and don't like glasses, so there > may be a dilemma.Glad your eye is doing better. I have a good friend who is blind. It's not something to muck about with. https://www.leviton.com/en/docs/SmartlockPro_Self-Test_Brochure.pdf They say normal operation is green, red means the device is faulty, no LED is GFCI tripped or no power to the device. Better than they used to be... if the LED can be seen without getting your nose in the device. One of mine is about 20" off the floor in the garage and I can't get down there to look it in the eye anymore. -- Rick C. -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
