On 8/12/2020 9:29 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:11 AM UTC+10, Anthony Stewart wrote: >> On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:09 p.m., bitrex wrote: >>> On 8/12/2020 5:57 PM, Tony Stewart wrote: >>>> On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote: > > <snip> > >> Ah , here we can go to any hospital, free and if they find a better >> surgeon available sooner, they'll send you if you can't go on your own >> steam. >> >> Why is the USA the only developed country without free healthcare? > > No developed country has free health care, but most of them have universal health insurance, which means that you pay a fixed premium all your life and don't have to pay for medical attention when you need it. > > The US doesn't have it, because it was invented by that arch-socialist, Otto von Bismarck > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck > > and adopting it would violate their ideological purity, or that's the story that James Arthur likes to tell. > > In reality, work-related health insurance is one of many devices US employers use to coerce their employees, and the US health insurance business creams off a lot of profit from insuring people against medical costs that are half again higher per head than they are in the most expensive parts of the rest of the developed world. > > They spend some of these profits on paying lobbyists to block any legislation that might derail their gravy train. The battle against Obamacare is a case in point. James Arthur posted a lot of their propaganda here while that battle was going on, and it was obviously designed to be deceptive and misleading, as I had fun pointing out. >It's a pretty pitiful amount of net profit, too. Apple makes nearly 3 times as much net as all the private health insurance companies combined. a fraction of one percent of GDP. The lions share of it goes to the bank accounts of maybe 500 top executives. it's a salami-slicing operation.
Math+ Protocol and no ventilators reduces CFR
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On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:45:59 AM UTC+10, bitrex wrote:> On 8/12/2020 9:29 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: > > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:16:11 AM UTC+10, Anthony Stewart wrote: > >> On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:09 p.m., bitrex wrote: > >>> On 8/12/2020 5:57 PM, Tony Stewart wrote: > >>>> On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 4:16 p.m., bitrex wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > >> Ah , here we can go to any hospital, free and if they find a better > >> surgeon available sooner, they'll send you if you can't go on your own > >> steam. > >> > >> Why is the USA the only developed country without free healthcare? > > > > No developed country has free health care, but most of them have universal health insurance, which means that you pay a fixed premium all your life and don't have to pay for medical attention when you need it. > > > > The US doesn't have it, because it was invented by that arch-socialist, Otto von Bismarck > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck > > > > and adopting it would violate their ideological purity, or that's the story that James Arthur likes to tell. > > > > In reality, work-related health insurance is one of many devices US employers use to coerce their employees, and the US health insurance business creams off a lot of profit from insuring people against medical costs that are half again higher per head than they are in the most expensive parts of the rest of the developed world. > > > > They spend some of these profits on paying lobbyists to block any legislation that might derail their gravy train. The battle against Obamacare is a case in point. James Arthur posted a lot of their propaganda here while that battle was going on, and it was obviously designed to be deceptive and misleading, as I had fun pointing out. > > > It's a pretty pitiful amount of net profit, too. Apple makes nearly 3 > times as much net as all the private health insurance companies > combined. a fraction of one percent of GDP. The lions share of it goes > to the bank accounts of maybe 500 top executives. > > it's a salami-slicing operation.If you devote most of your profits to over-paying your top executives, they don't show up as net profits distributed to share-holders. One of the obvious driver of US income inequality is the enormous salaries that end up in the pockets of the top executives. https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/ These are the people who decide how much of the company income gets paid to lobbyists. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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On 13/08/20 02:12, Bill Sloman wrote:> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 5:48:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >> >>> On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote: >>>>>> On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote: > > <snip> > >>> There's no magic for you, don't expect it. >> >> Of course I experience magic. It's sad that you don't seem to. > > As Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magicDamn. You beat me to it :)
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On 12/08/20 23:24, Tony Stewart wrote:> On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote: >> Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are millions >> of Americans who'd rather die than ever give a darkie a penny of their own >> money, for anything > > One of many reasons I'd rather not be American. Albeit nice place to visit. Many > of my relatives would rather not travel there due to attitudes, minority or not.My parents emigrated by boat to Pittsburg when I was 6 weeks old. My mother still has my father's "US Steel" lapel badge. They chose to return when I was 18 months old. Nuff said.
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On 12/08/20 23:26, bitrex wrote:> On 8/12/2020 6:24 PM, Tony Stewart wrote: >> On Wed. 12 Aug.-20 6:20 p.m., bitrex wrote: >>> Because if everyone gets it then the blacks get it too and there are millions >>> of Americans who'd rather die than ever give a darkie a penny of their own >>> money, for anything >> >> One of many reasons I'd rather not be American. Albeit nice place to visit. >> Many of my relatives would rather not travel there due to attitudes, minority >> or not. > > It has its ups and downs. There are patriots who are honest about the latter, > and "patriots" who tell themselves stories.Yup. Mensch is mensch, the whole world over.
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On 13/08/20 02:29, Bill Sloman wrote:> In reality, work-related health insurance is one of many devices US employers > use to coerce their employees, and the US health insurance business creams > off a lot of profit from insuring peopleAbsolutely correct on both counts. That's *precisely* what happens.
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On 12/08/20 23:28, Tony Stewart wrote:> What are you doing to make yourself in a younger category?You can put yourself into a younger category than the average male, simply by being female. That reduces your "covid age" by 5 years. That figure is "moderately robust". You can also increase your age by the factors (e.g. ethnicity, BMI, hypertension, cancers etc) given at https://alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/ but it notes many figures are "provisional"
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On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 2:14:44 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > > >On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote: > >> On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote: > >>> As I stated previously and received critical feedback for lack of > >>> evidence on the treatment protocol with Vit C etc, the author of the > >>> MATH+ protocol at EVMU indicated his patient recovery was 6.1% vs the > >>> average of all hospitals at 24%. > >>> > >>> Take any value you wish from this. https://youtu.be/xZJixjgu3tk > >>> > >> > >> It's amusing and sad a lot of Americans seem to think they're going to > >> go into a hospital when they're ill and order anyone around as to what > >> treatment or standard of care they receive. > >> > >> at least one commenter seems to get it: > >> > >> "As a layperson living in a COVID19 hotspot (South Florida), how do I go > >> about finding a medical care facility or medical practitioners that are > >> using the MATH+ protocol in the event that I, or someone in my family, > >> becomes infected with the virus? It is all well and good for us to > >> understand a treatment regimen that appear effective, but what good is > >> it if you cant find someone that is actually applying this protocol?" > > > >Also probably get better treatment in general in areas with medical > >facilities that aren't flooded with other arrogant mask-freedom > >social-distancing-denalists who think doctors have fucking magic if > >anything should happens. > > Wow. What an attitude.I swear, Larkin can complain about others' posts all he wants, but he can just as easily not engage those who he accuses of being so ill tempered, no? I still say he doesn't come here for the huntin'. -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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On 12/08/2020 23:28, Tony Stewart wrote:> " >> >> I suspect your hospital won't find any answers and they won't tell you >> their CFR either. (Case Fatality Rate) >> >> You have a right to know. > > These are the CFR's for our province of Ontario. > > 10% average > > Age CFR(%, adjusted censoring) > 80+ 37% > 70's 21% > 60's 6.5% > 50's 2.0% > 40's 0.7% > 30's 0.3% > 20's 0.1% > <20 0 > > > What are you doing to make yourself in a younger category?They seem biassed to only count serious cases that end up in hospital. UK MRC national UK data shows average values between a factor of two and two orders of magnitude lower for the more reasonable measure of IFR. Age Median 95% CrI (lower) 95% CrI (upper) 1 Overall 1.4% 1% 1.8% 2 <1yr,1-4 0.00052% 5.5e-05% 0.0017% 3 5-14 0.0013% 7e-04% 0.0022% 4 15-24 0.0045% 0.0029% 0.0068% 5 25-44 0.031% 0.023% 0.039% 6 45-64 0.46% 0.35% 0.58% 7 65-74 3.1% 2.3% 3.9% 8 75+ 18% 14% 23% Source https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/report-on-nowcasting-and-forecasting-6th-august-2020/ Select the IFR tab on Epidemic Summary. A new one is due out today. -- Regards, Martin Brown
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On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:35:39 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:>On 13/08/20 02:12, Bill Sloman wrote: >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 5:48:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:54:25 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/12/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:48:57 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/12/2020 1:38 PM, bitrex wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/12/2020 1:27 PM, Anthony Stewart wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>>> There's no magic for you, don't expect it. >>> >>> Of course I experience magic. It's sad that you don't seem to. >> >> As Arthur C. Clarke pointed out, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > >Damn. You beat me to it :)As Larkin pointed out, To any sufficiently intelligent being, everything is obvious. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc Science teaches us to doubt. Claude Bernard
