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Started by Jim Thompson January 7, 2014
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:35:04 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 1/7/2014 9:58 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:37:18 +1100, Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >>>> >>>> And sending the model out by E-mail has resulted in mucho bouncing... >>>> seems they think it's a security threat >:-} >>> >>> Append ".bin" to .zip filename and tell recipient to remove it ;-) >>> >>> Grant. >>>> >>>> So go to.... >>>> >>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_SUB.zip> >>>> >>>> This is just the VCO portion. Just treat it like a subcircuit to use >>>> in whatever simulator you want. >>>> >>>> For hints/tricks on subcircuit usage, see these links... >>>> >>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SubcircuitImportByNetlist.pdf> >>>> >>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SUBCKT.zip> >>>> >>>> For the PFD, just build it up using logic parts. >>>> >>>> LATER, I plan to make the whole thing as a behavioral block, but >>>> haven't gotten to it yet <:-| >>>> >>>> ...Jim Thompson >> >> I thwarted Atmel's IT jerks... they rejected anything that was *.zip, >> so I sent it as *.piz ... went straight thru >:-} >> >> ...Jim Thompson >> >Google does the same thing. You can't send an LTspice .lib file because >it thinks it's an executable. > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs
Yep, a correspondent from NZ just confirmed that. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:36:17 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 1/8/2014 10:06 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:49:02 -0700, RobertMacy >> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 06:42:42 -0700, RobertMacy <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >>>>> >>>>> And sending the model out by E-mail has resulted in mucho bouncing... >>>>> seems they think it's a security threat >:-} >>>>> >>>>> So go to.... >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_SUB.zip> >>>>> >>>>> This is just the VCO portion. Just treat it like a subcircuit to use >>>>> in whatever simulator you want. >>>>> >>>>> For hints/tricks on subcircuit usage, see these links... >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SubcircuitImportByNetlist.pdf> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SUBCKT.zip> >>>>> >>>>> For the PFD, just build it up using logic parts. >>>>> >>>>> LATER, I plan to make the whole thing as a behavioral block, but >>>>> haven't gotten to it yet <:-| >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>> >>> >>> not sure why my reply got shaved off... >>> >>> Jim, you told me to rename .zip files as .piz files and send them anyway. >>> which worked for gmail >> >> Yep. IT people are the dumbest stumps on earth ;-) >> >> ...Jim Thompson >> > >It's Windows's automatic behaviour that's the problem. When it sees a >zipfile, it wants to open it in Explorer rather than just let it sit >there. Autorun and its ilk are behind a lot of malware delivery >mechanisms. > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs
Indeed. I have Eudora and Firefox both set up to disallow such behavior. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >
And restored my interest in finishing up a good behavioral model. Could someone with a 74HC4046 and a scope get me a photo of pin C1A with VCC=5V, VCO_IN=2.5V, CAP=1nF, and R1=150K? That will tell me information not to be found on a datasheet. Thanks! (I don't have the part and the closest RatShack is 30 miles away... one of the very few "difficulties" from moving to the boonies :) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On 1/8/2014 12:11 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:36:17 -0500, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 1/8/2014 10:06 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:49:02 -0700, RobertMacy >>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 06:42:42 -0700, RobertMacy <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >>>>>> >>>>>> And sending the model out by E-mail has resulted in mucho bouncing... >>>>>> seems they think it's a security threat >:-} >>>>>> >>>>>> So go to.... >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_SUB.zip> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is just the VCO portion. Just treat it like a subcircuit to use >>>>>> in whatever simulator you want. >>>>>> >>>>>> For hints/tricks on subcircuit usage, see these links... >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SubcircuitImportByNetlist.pdf> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SUBCKT.zip> >>>>>> >>>>>> For the PFD, just build it up using logic parts. >>>>>> >>>>>> LATER, I plan to make the whole thing as a behavioral block, but >>>>>> haven't gotten to it yet <:-| >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> not sure why my reply got shaved off... >>>> >>>> Jim, you told me to rename .zip files as .piz files and send them anyway. >>>> which worked for gmail >>> >>> Yep. IT people are the dumbest stumps on earth ;-) >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >>> >> >> It's Windows's automatic behaviour that's the problem. When it sees a >> zipfile, it wants to open it in Explorer rather than just let it sit >> there. Autorun and its ilk are behind a lot of malware delivery >> mechanisms. >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs > > Indeed. I have Eudora and Firefox both set up to disallow such > behavior. > > ...Jim Thompson >
You have to do it in Windows as well. But that's the reason for the sysadmins' apparently myopic fascination with file extensions. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 15:27:35 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 1/8/2014 12:11 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:36:17 -0500, Phil Hobbs >> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: >> >>> On 1/8/2014 10:06 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:49:02 -0700, RobertMacy >>>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 06:42:42 -0700, RobertMacy <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And sending the model out by E-mail has resulted in mucho bouncing... >>>>>>> seems they think it's a security threat >:-} >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So go to.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_SUB.zip> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is just the VCO portion. Just treat it like a subcircuit to use >>>>>>> in whatever simulator you want. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For hints/tricks on subcircuit usage, see these links... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SubcircuitImportByNetlist.pdf> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SUBCKT.zip> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the PFD, just build it up using logic parts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LATER, I plan to make the whole thing as a behavioral block, but >>>>>>> haven't gotten to it yet <:-| >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> not sure why my reply got shaved off... >>>>> >>>>> Jim, you told me to rename .zip files as .piz files and send them anyway. >>>>> which worked for gmail >>>> >>>> Yep. IT people are the dumbest stumps on earth ;-) >>>> >>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>> >>> It's Windows's automatic behaviour that's the problem. When it sees a >>> zipfile, it wants to open it in Explorer rather than just let it sit >>> there. Autorun and its ilk are behind a lot of malware delivery >>> mechanisms. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Phil Hobbs >> >> Indeed. I have Eudora and Firefox both set up to disallow such >> behavior. >> >> ...Jim Thompson >> >You have to do it in Windows as well. But that's the reason for the >sysadmins' apparently myopic fascination with file extensions. > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs
You don't need to worry about Windows if you don't allow those file types to be downloaded in the first place. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On 1/8/2014 3:42 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 15:27:35 -0500, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 1/8/2014 12:11 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:36:17 -0500, Phil Hobbs >>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/8/2014 10:06 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:49:02 -0700, RobertMacy >>>>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 06:42:42 -0700, RobertMacy <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>>>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And sending the model out by E-mail has resulted in mucho bouncing... >>>>>>>> seems they think it's a security threat >:-} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So go to.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_SUB.zip> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is just the VCO portion. Just treat it like a subcircuit to use >>>>>>>> in whatever simulator you want. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For hints/tricks on subcircuit usage, see these links... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SubcircuitImportByNetlist.pdf> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SUBCKT.zip> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the PFD, just build it up using logic parts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LATER, I plan to make the whole thing as a behavioral block, but >>>>>>>> haven't gotten to it yet <:-| >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> not sure why my reply got shaved off... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim, you told me to rename .zip files as .piz files and send them anyway. >>>>>> which worked for gmail >>>>> >>>>> Yep. IT people are the dumbest stumps on earth ;-) >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's Windows's automatic behaviour that's the problem. When it sees a >>>> zipfile, it wants to open it in Explorer rather than just let it sit >>>> there. Autorun and its ilk are behind a lot of malware delivery >>>> mechanisms. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Phil Hobbs >>> >>> Indeed. I have Eudora and Firefox both set up to disallow such >>> behavior. >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >>> >> You have to do it in Windows as well. But that's the reason for the >> sysadmins' apparently myopic fascination with file extensions. >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs > > You don't need to worry about Windows if you don't allow those file > types to be downloaded in the first place. > > ...Jim Thompson >
Your call. It's a lot safer to dig through all the menus and make sure that all forms of autorun are turned off. The good news is that that's quite possible even in W7, although it isn't as easy as in XP. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 16:44:05 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 1/8/2014 3:42 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 15:27:35 -0500, Phil Hobbs >> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: >> >>> On 1/8/2014 12:11 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:36:17 -0500, Phil Hobbs >>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 1/8/2014 10:06 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:49:02 -0700, RobertMacy >>>>>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 06:42:42 -0700, RobertMacy <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>>>>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And sending the model out by E-mail has resulted in mucho bouncing... >>>>>>>>> seems they think it's a security threat >:-} >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So go to.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_SUB.zip> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is just the VCO portion. Just treat it like a subcircuit to use >>>>>>>>> in whatever simulator you want. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For hints/tricks on subcircuit usage, see these links... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SubcircuitImportByNetlist.pdf> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SUBCKT.zip> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For the PFD, just build it up using logic parts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LATER, I plan to make the whole thing as a behavioral block, but >>>>>>>>> haven't gotten to it yet <:-| >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> not sure why my reply got shaved off... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim, you told me to rename .zip files as .piz files and send them anyway. >>>>>>> which worked for gmail >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep. IT people are the dumbest stumps on earth ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's Windows's automatic behaviour that's the problem. When it sees a >>>>> zipfile, it wants to open it in Explorer rather than just let it sit >>>>> there. Autorun and its ilk are behind a lot of malware delivery >>>>> mechanisms. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>> >>>> Indeed. I have Eudora and Firefox both set up to disallow such >>>> behavior. >>>> >>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>> You have to do it in Windows as well. But that's the reason for the >>> sysadmins' apparently myopic fascination with file extensions. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Phil Hobbs >> >> You don't need to worry about Windows if you don't allow those file >> types to be downloaded in the first place. >> >> ...Jim Thompson >> >Your call. It's a lot safer to dig through all the menus and make sure >that all forms of autorun are turned off. The good news is that that's >quite possible even in W7, although it isn't as easy as in XP. > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs
I'll look into it... I am, after all, paranoid... though that doesn't mean they're not out to get me >:-} ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 10:09:21 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:35:04 -0500, Phil Hobbs ><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >>On 1/7/2014 9:58 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:37:18 +1100, Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >>>>> >>>>> And sending the model out by E-mail has resulted in mucho bouncing... >>>>> seems they think it's a security threat >:-} >>>> >>>> Append ".bin" to .zip filename and tell recipient to remove it ;-) >>>> >>>> Grant. >>>>> >>>>> So go to.... >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_SUB.zip> >>>>> >>>>> This is just the VCO portion. Just treat it like a subcircuit to use >>>>> in whatever simulator you want. >>>>> >>>>> For hints/tricks on subcircuit usage, see these links... >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SubcircuitImportByNetlist.pdf> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SUBCKT.zip> >>>>> >>>>> For the PFD, just build it up using logic parts. >>>>> >>>>> LATER, I plan to make the whole thing as a behavioral block, but >>>>> haven't gotten to it yet <:-| >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>> >>> I thwarted Atmel's IT jerks... they rejected anything that was *.zip, >>> so I sent it as *.piz ... went straight thru >:-} >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >>> >>Google does the same thing. You can't send an LTspice .lib file because >>it thinks it's an executable.
Or, you can just RAR it up with a simple password and tell it to hide the file name. boB
>> >>Cheers >> >>Phil Hobbs > >Yep, a correspondent from NZ just confirmed that. > > ...Jim Thompson
On 1/9/2014 3:48 AM, boB wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 10:09:21 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:35:04 -0500, Phil Hobbs >> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: >> >>> On 1/7/2014 9:58 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:37:18 +1100, Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:15:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Seems to be a hot day for HC4046 model requests. >>>>>> >>>>>> And sending the model out by E-mail has resulted in mucho bouncing... >>>>>> seems they think it's a security threat >:-} >>>>> >>>>> Append ".bin" to .zip filename and tell recipient to remove it ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Grant. >>>>>> >>>>>> So go to.... >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_SUB.zip> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is just the VCO portion. Just treat it like a subcircuit to use >>>>>> in whatever simulator you want. >>>>>> >>>>>> For hints/tricks on subcircuit usage, see these links... >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SubcircuitImportByNetlist.pdf> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/SUBCKT.zip> >>>>>> >>>>>> For the PFD, just build it up using logic parts. >>>>>> >>>>>> LATER, I plan to make the whole thing as a behavioral block, but >>>>>> haven't gotten to it yet <:-| >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>>> I thwarted Atmel's IT jerks... they rejected anything that was *.zip, >>>> so I sent it as *.piz ... went straight thru >:-} >>>> >>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>> Google does the same thing. You can't send an LTspice .lib file because >>> it thinks it's an executable. > > > Or, you can just RAR it up with a simple password and tell it to hide > the file name. > > boB
I usually just rename it to something like analog.lib.keepgooglehappy. So far, all customers have been clever enough to figure it out. But then mine are more discerning than most. ;) Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 08:06:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

> >>not sure why my reply got shaved off... >> >>Jim, you told me to rename .zip files as .piz files and send them =
anyway. =20
>>which worked for gmail > >Yep. IT people are the dumbest stumps on earth ;-) > =09 > ...Jim Thompson
It is not usually the IT types, it is their management. Just a huge difference in goals and attitudes much of the time. ?-)