>"and just like the one you mentioned a couple weeks ago. "Yeah but I forgot about the synchronous rectifier part. Not only no transistor or tubes, no diodes either of any "state".
Oscillators without transistors
Started by ●October 17, 2018
Reply by ●October 29, 20182018-10-29
Reply by ●October 30, 20182018-10-30
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:40:50 -0500, amdx wrote:> There used to be signs that used movement to get attention, it could > be as simple as a waving hand. The hand was setup as a pendulum and when > the battery was installed you could give it a push, this would close a > switch, energizing the solenoid and giving the pendulum a kick this > would also open the switch. The pendulum would go through its swing and > then come back and close the switch, repeating the cycle.Sounds grossly inefficient. I'm reminded of those Chinese cat things with the waving paw. They seem to have got battery life down to a fine art; must be using a 'joule thief' or some variant thereof I would imagine. -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition.
Reply by ●October 31, 20182018-10-31
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:30:08 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote:>On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:40:50 -0500, amdx wrote: > >> There used to be signs that used movement to get attention, it could >> be as simple as a waving hand. The hand was setup as a pendulum and when >> the battery was installed you could give it a push, this would close a >> switch, energizing the solenoid and giving the pendulum a kick this >> would also open the switch. The pendulum would go through its swing and >> then come back and close the switch, repeating the cycle. > >Sounds grossly inefficient. I'm reminded of those Chinese cat things with >the waving paw. They seem to have got battery life down to a fine art; >must be using a 'joule thief' or some variant thereof I would imagine.The so-called joule thief is what was called a blocking oscillator back in the days of vacuum tubes and you could find one in every tube type TV. The flyback pulse produces a high voltage because the tube/transistor is cut off abruptly, and the collapsing field produces a voltage spike. Those moving display gizmos were neat, I used to play with them as a kid. A single D battery or pair of them could keep the thing swinging for a week or two. The magnet was on a half-circle of wire and suspended so it would pass through the coil, working a leaf-switch of a couple of phosphor bronze springs that would repel the magnet as it passed the midpoint. What is impressive was the length of time they's keep working - particularly with the zinc carbon batteries we had in those days. Transistors cost money back then too. My first blocking oscillator using transistors was pulled from a Radio Electronics magazine for a "sonic shake table" (an interesting gizmo that could make standing waves in particles of flour in an upturned speaker cone - or mercury if you happen to have some) When I got tired of playing with it, I added it to my bicycle for a horn and ran it off the hub mounted alternator.
Reply by ●November 13, 20182018-11-13
default <default@defaulter.net> wrote:> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:33:19 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>What are some examples of oscillators which don't require transistors or vacuum tubes? >> >>So far I found relay oscillators and the Pearson-Anson oscillator. >> >>Does the Pearson-Anson oscillator require a high-voltage neon lamp, or would it work on LEDs as well? >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson%E2%80%93Anson_effect >> >>Relay oscillators look neat too but I don't imagine they would last very long at high frequencies. >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuG4nOyF99s> When I was in high school I built this rather elaborate relay > oscillator to dial a pulse type telephone. One relay developed > pulses, another was rigged as a monostable to time the pulse train to > dial a particular number. A rotary stepper relay could read the holes > in cards and cycle through some crude punch cards to dial (worked but > not well) > > Scr's can be made to oscillate, of course unijunctions, some negative > resistance diodes like tunnel/gunn, electro-mechanical toys using > magnets and leaf/reed switches or transistors to energize coils, > old-time magnetic earphones and carbon mikes to develop feedback, > tuning forks with feedback drivers, propagation delay devices, arc > lights, early radio transmitters that used motors driving many-pole > alternators, spark-excited Tesla coils...Was your high school project an electronic vibrator? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrator_(electronic) Thank you, 73, -- Don Kuenz KB7RPU There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light; She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.
Reply by ●November 13, 20182018-11-13
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 04:50:22 -0000 (UTC), Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> wrote:>default <default@defaulter.net> wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:33:19 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>What are some examples of oscillators which don't require transistors or vacuum tubes? >>> >>>So far I found relay oscillators and the Pearson-Anson oscillator. >>> >>>Does the Pearson-Anson oscillator require a high-voltage neon lamp, or would it work on LEDs as well? >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson%E2%80%93Anson_effect >>> >>>Relay oscillators look neat too but I don't imagine they would last very long at high frequencies. >>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuG4nOyF99s > >> When I was in high school I built this rather elaborate relay >> oscillator to dial a pulse type telephone. One relay developed >> pulses, another was rigged as a monostable to time the pulse train to >> dial a particular number. A rotary stepper relay could read the holes >> in cards and cycle through some crude punch cards to dial (worked but >> not well) >> >> Scr's can be made to oscillate, of course unijunctions, some negative >> resistance diodes like tunnel/gunn, electro-mechanical toys using >> magnets and leaf/reed switches or transistors to energize coils, >> old-time magnetic earphones and carbon mikes to develop feedback, >> tuning forks with feedback drivers, propagation delay devices, arc >> lights, early radio transmitters that used motors driving many-pole >> alternators, spark-excited Tesla coils... > >Was your high school project an electronic vibrator? > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrator_(electronic) > >Thank you, 73,No but some years later I made a small air pump using a coil driving a magnet. Other than the heat it developed, it might have made a decent vibrator (of the sex toy variety).
