https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/concerns-growing-over-the-new-moon-space-race-between-china-and-the-us/ar-AA1jQ6iU This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt? And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space.
moon race
Started by ●November 13, 2023
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:45:05 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/concerns-growing-over-the-new-moon-space-race-between-china-and-the-us/ar-AA1jQ6iU > > This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a > trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are > going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt? > > And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space.It's 21st century circus for the fools...both of those places are in dire need of freeing up the geniuses distracted by that waste to work on more pressing down to Earth problems, like feeding themselves.
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
On 13/11/2023 16:44, John Larkin wrote:> > https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/concerns-growing-over-the-new-moon-space-race-between-china-and-the-us/ar-AA1jQ6iU > > This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a > trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are > going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt?A "space race" is a bit of national willy waving. It certainly beats holding another world war which is one of the other alternatives...> > And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space.Space is pretty big but the cavalier launching of small satellites will sooner or later result in a catastrophic failure whereby many useful satellite orbits are peppered with debris for a few decades. The other way it could happen is if someone uses an anti-satellite weapon for real. The explosion will create many small fast fragments still able to cause serious damage but too small and numerous to track. Then each subsequent collision adds more debris to the most populous orbits. https://www.space.com/how-many-satellites-fit-safely-earth-orbit Johnathon McD is the goto man for comments on satellites and launches. -- Martin Brown
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:>On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:45:05?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/concerns-growing-over-the-new-moon-space-race-between-china-and-the-us/ar-AA1jQ6iU >> >> This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a >> trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are >> going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt? >> >> And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space. > >It's 21st century circus for the fools...both of those places are in dire need of freeing up the geniuses distracted by that waste to work on more pressing down to Earth problems, like feeding themselves.One argument is that spending resources on NASA equivalents bootstraps technology in a poor country. I think they have that backwards. It's tragic how much North Korea spends on missiles and cannons and nukes.
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:22:30 PM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:> On 13/11/2023 16:44, John Larkin wrote: > > > > https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/concerns-growing-over-the-new-moon-space-race-between-china-and-the-us/ar-AA1jQ6iU > > > > This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a > > trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are > > going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt? > A "space race" is a bit of national willy waving. It certainly beats > holding another world war which is one of the other alternatives... > > > > And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space. > Space is pretty big but the cavalier launching of small satellites will > sooner or later result in a catastrophic failure whereby many useful > satellite orbits are peppered with debris for a few decades. > > The other way it could happen is if someone uses an anti-satellite > weapon for real. The explosion will create many small fast fragments > still able to cause serious damage but too small and numerous to track. > Then each subsequent collision adds more debris to the most populous orbits.Russia already did that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_1408 Looks like they're self-destructing their more clandestine nonsense: https://www.independent.co.uk/space/russian-satellite-blow-up-debris-b2277915.html> > https://www.space.com/how-many-satellites-fit-safely-earth-orbit > > Johnathon McD is the goto man for comments on satellites and launches.Looks like it's going to be a wild west shoot up using lasers: https://fas.org/publication/how-do-you-clean-up-170-million-pieces-of-space-junk/> > > -- > Martin Brown
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:31:49 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:45:05?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: > >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/concerns-growing-over-the-new-moon-space-race-between-china-and-the-us/ar-AA1jQ6iU > >> > >> This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a > >> trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are > >> going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt? > >> > >> And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space. > > > >It's 21st century circus for the fools...both of those places are in dire need of freeing up the geniuses distracted by that waste to work on more pressing down to Earth problems, like feeding themselves. > One argument is that spending resources on NASA equivalents bootstraps > technology in a poor country. I think they have that backwards.They're missing the historical context of the western model which is industrial sector expertise bootstraps the big scientific programs, not the other way around.> > It's tragic how much North Korea spends on missiles and cannons and > nukes.He would have nothing else to show for his government without it.
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:31:49 AM UTC-6, John Larkin wrote:> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:45:05?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: > >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/concerns-growing-over-the-new-moon-space-race-between-china-and-the-us/ar-AA1jQ6iU > >> > >> This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a > >> trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are > >> going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt? > >> > >> And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space. > > > >It's 21st century circus for the fools...both of those places are in dire need of freeing up the geniuses distracted by that waste to work on more pressing down to Earth problems, like feeding themselves. > One argument is that spending resources on NASA equivalents bootstraps > technology in a poor country. I think they have that backwards. > > It's tragic how much North Korea spends on missiles and cannons and > nukes.Especially tragic if they use them on us.
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
On 11/13/2023 10:22 AM, Martin Brown wrote:> A "space race" is a bit of national willy waving. It certainly beats holding > another world war which is one of the other alternatives...Note that much of our current technology derives from investments made in the LAST space race. Hard to imagine how much longer it would have taken for the levels of integration that we saw in the late 60's to become available without someone with deep pockets driving the market.
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:09:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:>On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:31:49?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:15:48 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:45:05?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >> >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/concerns-growing-over-the-new-moon-space-race-between-china-and-the-us/ar-AA1jQ6iU >> >> >> >> This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a >> >> trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are >> >> going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt? >> >> >> >> And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space. >> > >> >It's 21st century circus for the fools...both of those places are in dire need of freeing up the geniuses distracted by that waste to work on more pressing down to Earth problems, like feeding themselves. >> One argument is that spending resources on NASA equivalents bootstraps >> technology in a poor country. I think they have that backwards. > >They're missing the historical context of the western model which is industrial sector expertise bootstraps the big scientific programs, not the other way around.Yes, science usually follows invention.> >> >> It's tragic how much North Korea spends on missiles and cannons and >> nukes. > >He would have nothing else to show for his government without it.
Reply by ●November 13, 20232023-11-13
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