Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile devices have the lifespan they do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Lithium-ion Battery Degradation
Started by ●May 19, 2022
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
On 2022-05-19 17:10, Ricky wrote:> Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery > life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile > devices have the lifespan they do. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw >Can't you give us a little summary? We don't all have infinite free time. Jeroen Belleman
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:41:17 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:> On 2022-05-19 17:10, Ricky wrote: > > Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery > > life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile > > devices have the lifespan they do. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw > > > Can't you give us a little summary? We don't all have > infinite free time. > > Jeroen BellemanDrive less, charge less, last longer.
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:41:17 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:> On 2022-05-19 17:10, Ricky wrote: > > Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery > > life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile > > devices have the lifespan they do. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw > > > Can't you give us a little summary? We don't all have > infinite free time.Basically he said, if you drive anything other than a Leaf, "Don't worry, be happy!" The useful info starts around 9 minutes in. https://youtu.be/IHz-Kx5h_Tw?t=536 He does discuss that there are mechanisms that degrade a battery based on use and mechanisms that degrade a battery based on age. He talks about the age issue very little, but it would not seem to show up in the data much at all. While there may be some degradation with age, the guy with a 36 year old truck with 250,000 miles on it, is the only person in this group who might actually have a real concern. But if he buys a new ICE truck before they stop being made, he can probably be buried with it still in runnable condition... if he can find gas. -- Rick C. + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:41:17 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >> On 2022-05-19 17:10, Ricky wrote: >> > Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery >> > life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile >> > devices have the lifespan they do. >> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw >> > >> Can't you give us a little summary? We don't all have >> infinite free time. >> >> Jeroen Belleman > > Drive less, charge less, last longer.Lol, and well said. Not sure how anybody can expand that into some 25 minute viseo.
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:> On 2022-05-19 17:10, Ricky wrote: >> Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery >> life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile >> devices have the lifespan they do. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw >> > > Can't you give us a little summary? We don't all have > infinite free time. > > Jeroen Belleman1. Set Playback Speed to 1.5 2. Set time to 8:23 Why do Lithium Ion Batteries Lose Capacity 3. 14:15 What Makes Degradation Worse 4. Lots of complex variables 5. Some battery types are better than others 6. Batteries wear out, same as engines and other mechanical parts 7. Batteries are getting better -- MRM
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:41:17 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote: > >> On 2022-05-19 17:10, Ricky wrote: > >> > Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery > >> > life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile > >> > devices have the lifespan they do. > >> > > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw > >> > > >> Can't you give us a little summary? We don't all have > >> infinite free time. > >> > >> Jeroen Belleman > > > > Drive less, charge less, last longer. > Lol, and well said. Not sure how anybody can expand that into some 25 > minute viseo.That's actually all a Leaf driver would want to know, because if you watch the video, he talks repeatedly how important operation at elevated temperatures is much worse for the battery than operation at 20°C and below. People focus on operation at cold temperatures since it does impact the capacity and range, but operation at elevated temperatures permanently damages the capacity and range. The Leaf has no temperature control, not even a fan, to minimize impacts on the battery. The result is a measurable reduction in the lifespan of the battery in the Leaf. Ask Ed, he'll tell you his Leaf has very little range left. If you drive a Leaf, you probably want to keep your head in the sand. -- Rick C. -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> Wrote in message:r> Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:> On 2022-05-19 17:10, Ricky wrote:>> Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery>> life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile>> devices have the lifespan they do.>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw>>> > Can't you give us a little summary? We don't all have> infinite free time.> > Jeroen BellemanSnip 7. Batteries are getting better That's sort of like fusion energy is 20 years away. Cheers -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:> Mike Monett <spamme@not.com> Wrote in message:r >> Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:> On 2022-05-19 17:10, Ricky wrote:>> Here is a pretty good discussion (if a bit long winded) of battery>> life in BEVs. It also explains a lot about why batteries in mobile>> devices have the lifespan they do.>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHz-Kx5h_Tw>>> > Can't you give us a little summary? We don't all have> infinite free time.> > Jeroen Belleman > > Snip > 7. Batteries are getting better > > That's sort of like fusion energy is 20 years away.I don't think anybody misses running "portable" electronics off lead acid batteries. NIMh was a step up, but the energy density of the lithium stuff is ever better. Cordless power tools that work as good or better than corded ones is reality these days. Batteries have really come a long way in the past 20 years. Things we have now like RC drones are just not possible with lead acid or nickel cadmium batteries, unless a 3 minute flight time is long enough.
Reply by ●May 19, 20222022-05-19
Cydrome Leader wrote:> Batteries have really come a long way in the past 20 years.Indeed. I don't think that lead-acid batteries could do this trick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM Best regards, Piotr
